2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Telconi]

Maybe Dune will save us.

Spice must flow, after all.

They seem to have made some good casting decisions from what I can see this far.

[United States of Devonta]

Tbf some people tend to vote against their interest all the time.

Alternatively, people have different interests.

Concurred.

[San Lumen]

https://twitter.com/JoshCroup/status/12 ... 12673?s=20

Kanye has failed to qualify for the West Virginia ballot. Why? Not enough valid signatures

[-Astoria-]

https://twitter.com/JoshCroup/status/1296882759261212673?s=20

Kanye has failed to qualify for the West Virginia ballot. Why? Not enough valid signatures

Did we see the return of a certain Michael Mouse?

[Myrensis]

https://twitter.com/JoshCroup/status/1296882759261212673?s=20

Kanye has failed to qualify for the West Virginia ballot. Why? Not enough valid signatures

Apparently the GOP.cant work fast enough to make up for his total lack of organization or competence.

They have enough trouble managing one Trump.

[United States of Devonta]

New Battleground Suburbs (MI, PA, WI, AZ, NC) Poll:

Biden 55% (+16)
Trump 39%

(LV, 7/22-26)

It was done in July, but it gives an insight on how suburban voters might be leaning Dem. This is huge considering Dems won the house in 2018 due to the suburbs. It seems these voters are sticking with the Dems and might flip a few states.

[Northern Davincia]

Isn't that a pro-choice argument?

They are not pro-life, they are pro-birth. Once you are born, you are on your own.
I do recognize the irony of them arguing pro-choice now, though we shouldn't be surprised, they are the "do as I say, not as I do" types.

This is different from the pro-life vs. pro-choice debate. The damage of conversion therapy is contained solely to the recipient of it.

My wife is significantly further right than I am.

Tbf some people tend to vote against their interest all the time.

Rarely, and not in this instance.

[Post War America]

Leaders will never support my agenda though, because it involves them losing power. In fact, history shows that they will oppose my agenda including with lethal force, or allying with outright fascists. Just as their predecessors, the landed aristocracy violently opposed the ascendancy of Liberal Democracy. It lies on myself, and others like to build a new society irrespective of what leaders think.

I also find it amusing that I need to have the support of leadership to enact my agenda when you literally call for Belorussians to do exactly what I'm doing to overthrow Lukashenko regardless of what he thinks.

Losing power how? Have you ever thought that perhaps your agenda is impractical or doesn’t have support?

Anarchists definitionally aren't particularly keen on a class of people who have no purpose other than being legislators, that's practically the definition of an unjustified hierarchy. They would have to get real jobs instead of faffing about for six months before going on vacation and making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Which means Politicians, as a class of people, have a vested personal interest in opposing anarchists to the bloody end.

I'd expect, most people won't appreciate my bluntness, which is why I rarely do most of the speechifying, nor do I believe that any anarchist society will immediately be able to complete its endgame, in fact, that's what the labor organization, recruitment, and strike organization are explicitly for. To build popular support, and the viability of interconnected communities that don't rely on a legislative state to function. Participation in bourgeois electoralism conversely, is a dead end ideologically, because relying on elections and legislators to abolish their own existence, or even to reduce their power, is a fundamentally ridiculous concept.

As for practicality, I dunno, generally anarchist societies tend to be invaded by multiple armies simultaneously, and overthrown. So its hard to gauge their viability in the long term. But lemme ask you, do you seriously think the model of health insurance is practical? Having an entire bureaucratic apparatus that serves no purpose other than to serve as a middleman between healthcare providers and healthcare seekers? Or a centralized legislative body that relies on a vast state bureaucracy to carry out its will, particularly in an era where communication literally happens at the speed of light? Do you seriously believe that companies could not function without a managerial class and autocratic organizational practices?

[Aureumterra]

https://twitter.com/JoshCroup/status/1296882759261212673?s=20

Kanye has failed to qualify for the West Virginia ballot. Why? Not enough valid signatures

Apparently the GOP.cant work fast enough to make up for his total lack of organization or competence.

They have enough trouble managing one Trump.

Kanye West is running as an independent

[New Vedan]

I know I'm in a GOP stronghold, so my opinion is probably more tha a little biased, but I honestly dont see how Biden is leading in the polls. Pretty much nobody here wants to vote for him and those that do are keeping there mouths shut about it.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I know I'm in a GOP stronghold, so my opinion is probably more tha a little biased, but I honestly dont see how Biden is leading in the polls. Pretty much nobody here wants to vote for him and those that do are keeping there mouths shut about it.

You answered your own query with your first few words i reckon

[Neutraligon]

Alternatively, people have different interests.

Imagine being so naive as to consider that people might actually have beliefs and opinions different from your own.

Ironic coming from you.

[Andsed]

I know I'm in a GOP stronghold, so my opinion is probably more tha a little biased, but I honestly dont see how Biden is leading in the polls. Pretty much nobody here wants to vote for him and those that do are keeping there mouths shut about it.

a GOP stronghold

There is your answer. Obliviously there are more die hard Trump areas. They are not representative of the whole US.

[Major-Tom]

I know I'm in a GOP stronghold, so my opinion is probably more tha a little biased, but I honestly dont see how Biden is leading in the polls. Pretty much nobody here wants to vote for him and those that do are keeping there mouths shut about it.

I imagine someone living in Los Angeles doesn't see how Trump has any support. Many Americans live in bubbles, both in their real-life and online communities. It's our job as responsible citizens to try to question those bubbles.

[Jerzylvania]

OTOH Trump's nonsense sounds like he's channeling messages from Bullwinkle and Fearless Leader simultaneously.

Every time he talks; I keep hoping to hear a voice say “Drizzle, Drazzle, Druzzle, Drome; time for this one to come home."

I think that was the Wizard's main line in those old Tooter Turtle cartoons. Where Tooter makes another wish to become something he hasn't the skills to be and totally flops. Perfect fit for Trump's presidential exploits. Nice one, TBF.

[Neutraligon]

I know I'm in a GOP stronghold, so my opinion is probably more tha a little biased, but I honestly dont see how Biden is leading in the polls. Pretty much nobody here wants to vote for him and those that do are keeping there mouths shut about it.

I imagine someone living in Los Angeles doesn't see how Trump has any support. Many Americans live in bubbles, both in their real-life and online communities. It's our job as responsible citizens to try to question those bubbles.

I am still trying to understand why Trump specifically has support. I get why the Republican party has it, by what do people see in Trump?

[Jerzylvania]

Pundits should really study the girl effect on far right voters.

Clearly the Females are another tool of the Liberals to control and influence the minds of young proud men.

In general women are always more the voice of reason. Young men not so much.

[San Lumen]

Losing power how? Have you ever thought that perhaps your agenda is impractical or doesn’t have support?

Anarchists definitionally aren't particularly keen on a class of people who have no purpose other than being legislators, that's practically the definition of an unjustified hierarchy. They would have to get real jobs instead of faffing about for six months before going on vacation and making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Which means Politicians, as a class of people, have a vested personal interest in opposing anarchists to the bloody end.

I'd expect, most people won't appreciate my bluntness, which is why I rarely do most of the speechifying, nor do I believe that any anarchist society will immediately be able to complete its endgame, in fact, that's what the labor organization, recruitment, and strike organization are explicitly for. To build popular support, and the viability of interconnected communities that don't rely on a legislative state to function. Participation in bourgeois electoralism conversely, is a dead end ideologically, because relying on elections and legislators to abolish their own existence, or even to reduce their power, is a fundamentally ridiculous concept.

As for practicality, I dunno, generally anarchist societies tend to be invaded by multiple armies simultaneously, and overthrown. So its hard to gauge their viability in the long term. But lemme ask you, do you seriously think the model of health insurance is practical? Having an entire bureaucratic apparatus that serves no purpose other than to serve as a middleman between healthcare providers and healthcare seekers? Or a centralized legislative body that relies on a vast state bureaucracy to carry out its will, particularly in an era where communication literally happens at the speed of light? Do you seriously believe that companies could not function without a managerial class and autocratic organizational practices?

So your an anarchist then? Go ask Ilhan Omar how well that worked out in Somalia

[San Lumen]

I know I'm in a GOP stronghold, so my opinion is probably more tha a little biased, but I honestly dont see how Biden is leading in the polls. Pretty much nobody here wants to vote for him and those that do are keeping there mouths shut about it.

You answered your own question in the first few words

[Maineiacs]

I imagine someone living in Los Angeles doesn't see how Trump has any support. Many Americans live in bubbles, both in their real-life and online communities. It's our job as responsible citizens to try to question those bubbles.

I am still trying to understand why Trump specifically has support. I get why the Republican party has it, by what do people see in Trump?

He hates the same people they do.

[-Astoria-]

Anarchists definitionally aren't particularly keen on a class of people who have no purpose other than being legislators, that's practically the definition of an unjustified hierarchy. They would have to get real jobs instead of faffing about for six months before going on vacation and making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Which means Politicians, as a class of people, have a vested personal interest in opposing anarchists to the bloody end.

I'd expect, most people won't appreciate my bluntness, which is why I rarely do most of the speechifying, nor do I believe that any anarchist society will immediately be able to complete its endgame, in fact, that's what the labor organization, recruitment, and strike organization are explicitly for. To build popular support, and the viability of interconnected communities that don't rely on a legislative state to function. Participation in bourgeois electoralism conversely, is a dead end ideologically, because relying on elections and legislators to abolish their own existence, or even to reduce their power, is a fundamentally ridiculous concept.

As for practicality, I dunno, generally anarchist societies tend to be invaded by multiple armies simultaneously, and overthrown. So its hard to gauge their viability in the long term. But lemme ask you, do you seriously think the model of health insurance is practical? Having an entire bureaucratic apparatus that serves no purpose other than to serve as a middleman between healthcare providers and healthcare seekers? Or a centralized legislative body that relies on a vast state bureaucracy to carry out its will, particularly in an era where communication literally happens at the speed of light? Do you seriously believe that companies could not function without a managerial class and autocratic organizational practices?

So your an anarchist then? Go ask Ilhan Omar how well that worked out in Somalia

...say what now?

[Ngelmish]

I am still trying to understand why Trump specifically has support. I get why the Republican party has it, by what do people see in Trump?

He hates the same people they do.

Well that and a hefty dose of ethical nihilism.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Anarchists definitionally aren't particularly keen on a class of people who have no purpose other than being legislators, that's practically the definition of an unjustified hierarchy. They would have to get real jobs instead of faffing about for six months before going on vacation and making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Which means Politicians, as a class of people, have a vested personal interest in opposing anarchists to the bloody end.

I'd expect, most people won't appreciate my bluntness, which is why I rarely do most of the speechifying, nor do I believe that any anarchist society will immediately be able to complete its endgame, in fact, that's what the labor organization, recruitment, and strike organization are explicitly for. To build popular support, and the viability of interconnected communities that don't rely on a legislative state to function. Participation in bourgeois electoralism conversely, is a dead end ideologically, because relying on elections and legislators to abolish their own existence, or even to reduce their power, is a fundamentally ridiculous concept.

As for practicality, I dunno, generally anarchist societies tend to be invaded by multiple armies simultaneously, and overthrown. So its hard to gauge their viability in the long term. But lemme ask you, do you seriously think the model of health insurance is practical? Having an entire bureaucratic apparatus that serves no purpose other than to serve as a middleman between healthcare providers and healthcare seekers? Or a centralized legislative body that relies on a vast state bureaucracy to carry out its will, particularly in an era where communication literally happens at the speed of light? Do you seriously believe that companies could not function without a managerial class and autocratic organizational practices?

So your an anarchist then? Go ask Ilhan Omar how well that worked out in Somalia

Lumen I'm about as far from an anarchist as one can be but holy fuck this is an uneducated statement lol

[Kannap]

Ah *deep sniff* mmmm new thread smell.

https://twitter.com/JoshCroup/status/1296882759261212673?s=20

Kanye has failed to qualify for the West Virginia ballot. Why? Not enough valid signatures

Must be a slow news day, huh?

[-Astoria-]

Ah *deep sniff* mmmm new thread smell.

https://twitter.com/JoshCroup/status/1296882759261212673?s=20

Kanye has failed to qualify for the West Virginia ballot. Why? Not enough valid signatures

Must be a slow news day, huh?

Man, you are late by four pages.