2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[San Lumen]

You don’t believe in democracy and if people have the audacity to vote for someone you don’t like they should be denied the office they won or hamstrung as to be unable to get anything done. In a democracy you don’t always get what you want. I don’t like some of the Republicans who get elected but I don’t spout the vitriol you do

I gotta disagree with ya there. If we where a sane nation we would have barred the crazy Q Anon people from office. And we should.

And like when you wanted the Nazi barred from the ballot in Illinois in 2018 same would happen here. If someone meets the requirements of candidacy you cannot bar them from the ballot. A judge would order them reinstated

[Jedi Council]

Some revolutions are justified.
Some are not.

A revolution in Belarus would be different than one in America.

So why would a revolution in the US be automatically bad? It’s absolutely hypocritical to say that revolutions don’t solve anything and are terrible yet at the same time cheer on a revolution even if it ends with the deaths of millions.

Again, where did I say that?

Revolutions can be good, if they are justified. In a despotic hellhole like North Korea, yes, a revolution is justified.

But you should not start forming your own militias and marching on the fucking Capitol just because your side lost an election. Unless, the person who won was an existential threat to the nation or the populace.

[Zurkerx]

He's really desperate to change the narrative in his favor, especially if he has to speak every night. Not 100% sure what he wants to prove by doing that as I doubt it'll improve his public imagine, especially since there's less undecided voters.

Putting the narrative aside, its just a bad decision from a ratings point of view. The nominees speech is supposed to be the big event of the convention, a chance to introduce/reintroduce yourself to the American people in a big, flashy piece of political theater, with expectations and excitement built up over three days of celebration.

If Trump is speaking every night, people might tune in to the first speech, maybe the second if they have nothing better to do, but numbers will dwindle the more and more Trump speaks, especially if he doesnt come up wit new material and it's more anger, racism, and conspiracy theories. He is going to oversaturated the convention with himself

Tough to say: Trump is quite popular with his base- they'll take any opportunity to watch him. That said, it's likely only people that support him will watch him: I can't imagine that many undecided voters will be watching him all four nights. Trump has made it clear he only cares for his base and is counting on them to care him to victory. The question becomes, does it work a second time with a small group leaning towards him?

[San Lumen]

You don’t believe in democracy and if people have the audacity to vote for someone you don’t like they should be denied the office they won or hamstrung as to be unable to get anything done. In a democracy you don’t always get what you want. I don’t like some of the Republicans who get elected but I don’t spout the vitriol you do

My beliefs being different from yours isn't a bug, it's a feature. And I know democracy doesn't always give me what I want, hence the whole anti-democracy thing.

Yeah how dare anyone else vote and have different values and opinions from you

[Vassenor]

Some revolutions are justified.
Some are not.

A revolution in Belarus would be different than one in America.

A revolution to overthrow Joe Biden would most certainly be justified.

You need something more than "he doesn't think my gun collection is the greatest thing in the history of ever" if you want to justify a revolution.

[Andsed]

Blaming all Americans for the actions of the American government is an absurd concept.

Hardly considering we let the government get away with all sorts of shit.

We dont really control our government though what they do is largely out of the Americans people hands. And before you bring up the idea that we should have overthrown the government, while I am not opposed to that idea trying to blame a people because they did not start a revolution(which are not easy and tend to be dangerous) is ridiculous. Blame the government not the people.

[Kannap]

I've repeatedly stated it explicitly, so what? How is it that you telling me what I believe is a relevant contribution to anything?

You don’t believe in democracy and if people have the audacity to vote for someone you don’t like they should be denied the office they won or hamstrung as to be unable to get anything done. In a democracy you don’t always get what you want. I don’t like some of the Republicans who get elected but I don’t spout the vitriol you do

The Q Anon types should be barred from serving in office. Hell, go ahead and ban Democrats and Republicans from holding office in general.

[Thermodolia]

So why would a revolution in the US be automatically bad? It’s absolutely hypocritical to say that revolutions don’t solve anything and are terrible yet at the same time cheer on a revolution even if it ends with the deaths of millions.

Again, where did I say that?

I didn’t say that you where but Lumen has. That’s my point. Lumen is being an utter hypocrite by supporting a revolution in Belarus no matter the cost yet shooting down any thought of a revolution in the US to change the corrupt and broken system.

Revolutions can be good, if they are justified. In a despotic hellhole like North Korea, yes, a revolution is justified.

But you should not start forming your own militias and marching on the fucking Capitol just because your side lost an election. Unless, the person who won was an existential threat to the nation or the populace.

Like Trump?

[Kannap]

Some revolutions are justified.
Some are not.

A revolution in Belarus would be different than one in America.

A revolution to overthrow Joe Biden would most certainly be justified.

How so?

[The Huskar Social Union]

A revolution to overthrow Joe Biden would most certainly be justified.

How so?

This is the guy who wants tens of millions to lose their votes all because they live in cities and "Abuse a privilege"


So you are gona get a monumentally fucking stupid answer no doubt.

[Thermodolia]

I gotta disagree with ya there. If we where a sane nation we would have barred the crazy Q Anon people from office. And we should.

And like when you wanted the Nazi barred from the ballot in Illinois in 2018 same would happen here. If someone meets the requirements of candidacy you cannot bar them from the ballot. A judge would order them reinstated

We shouldn’t be allowing Q anon or nazis to run for office. Germany doesn’t, nor does France, Poland, Russia and a shit ton of other nations who realize that allow crazies like the Nazis in office never ends well

[Kannap]

How so?

This is the guy who wants tens of millions to lose their votes all because they live in cities and "Abuse a privilege"


So you are gona get a monumentally fucking stupid answer no doubt.

I wasn't even expecting an answer, so rest assured I'll be disappointed when its just a "because"

[San Lumen]

And like when you wanted the Nazi barred from the ballot in Illinois in 2018 same would happen here. If someone meets the requirements of candidacy you cannot bar them from the ballot. A judge would order them reinstated

We shouldn’t be allowing Q anon or nazis to run for office. Germany doesn’t, nor does France, Poland, Russia and a shit ton of other nations who realize that allow crazies like the Nazis in office never ends well

You cannot bar someone from the ballot if they meet the requirements for said office hence why neither Illinois nor Georgia did what you want. They would sue in court and I guarantee almost any judge would rule in their favor ordering they be placed on the ballot

[Neutraligon]

And democratic Ag’s and mayors will not stand for a stunt like that. Many states have laws explicitly prohibiting military at polling sites and and law enforcement is allowed under very specific circumstances

I don’t think you understand. The mercs aren’t law enforcement. They don’t and won’t give a shit. We need to arm ourselves to protect our democracy.

Pretty sure that most states have laws against mercs doing that.

[San Lumen]

I don’t think you understand. The mercs aren’t law enforcement. They don’t and won’t give a shit. We need to arm ourselves to protect our democracy.

Pretty sure that most states have laws against mercs doing that.

They do

[Kannap]

We shouldn’t be allowing Q anon or nazis to run for office. Germany doesn’t, nor does France, Poland, Russia and a shit ton of other nations who realize that allow crazies like the Nazis in office never ends well

You cannot bar someone from the ballot if they meet the requirements for said office hence why neither Illinois nor Georgia did what you want.

Do you want Nazis to run for office?

They would sue in court and I guarantee almost any judge would rule in their favor ordering they be placed on the ballot

And it would be stupid of any judge to do so

[San Lumen]

You cannot bar someone from the ballot if they meet the requirements for said office hence why neither Illinois nor Georgia did what you want.

Do you want Nazis to run for office?

They would sue in court and I guarantee almost any judge would rule in their favor ordering they be placed on the ballot

And it would be stupid of any judge to do so

If someone meets the requirements to run for a position you cannot legally remove them from the ballot or bar them from running

[Andsed]

And democratic Ag’s and mayors will not stand for a stunt like that. Many states have laws explicitly prohibiting military at polling sites and and law enforcement is allowed under very specific circumstances

I don’t think you understand. The mercs aren’t law enforcement. They don’t and won’t give a shit. We need to arm ourselves to protect our democracy.

I don´t think we can really be classified as a democracy. I think an oligarchy with some democratic elements is more appropriate. I mean we do not even select our president, a bunch of politicians do and they don´t even have to listen to us if they don´t want to.

[Thermodolia]

I don’t think you understand. The mercs aren’t law enforcement. They don’t and won’t give a shit. We need to arm ourselves to protect our democracy.

Pretty sure that most states have laws against mercs doing that.

Oregon has laws against mercs shoving people in vans yet that hasn’t stopped them.

We are in dangerous times and the old system of relying on the government and police to make sure the election goes well has been tossed out the window. Trumps goons don’t care about the law. The only way to preserve this union is to take up arms and protect it ourselves

[Thermodolia]

We shouldn’t be allowing Q anon or nazis to run for office. Germany doesn’t, nor does France, Poland, Russia and a shit ton of other nations who realize that allow crazies like the Nazis in office never ends well

You cannot bar someone from the ballot if they meet the requirements for said office hence why neither Illinois nor Georgia did what you want. They would sue in court and I guarantee almost any judge would rule in their favor ordering they be placed on the ballot

We should be. I’d rather not have Q Anon crazies anywhere in the government be that the legislature or the police or anywhere else. Same with nazis and white nats.

[Thermodolia]

I don’t think you understand. The mercs aren’t law enforcement. They don’t and won’t give a shit. We need to arm ourselves to protect our democracy.

I don´t think we can really be classified as a democracy. I think an oligarchy with some democratic elements is more appropriate. I mean we do not even select our president, a bunch of politicians do and they don´t even have to listen to us if they don´t want to.

We’ve been an oligarchy with Democratic elements since the 80s. Democracy died with Reagan.

[San Lumen]

You cannot bar someone from the ballot if they meet the requirements for said office hence why neither Illinois nor Georgia did what you want. They would sue in court and I guarantee almost any judge would rule in their favor ordering they be placed on the ballot

We should be. I’d rather not have Q Anon crazies anywhere in the government be that the legislature or the police or anywhere else. Same with nazis and white nats.

And what’s to stop the BOE or Secretary of State from barring anyone whose viewpoints they don’t like. Your opening a very dangerous door hence why we have not done it. Every person regardless of viewpoints if they are eligible has a legal right to run for any office they desire.

[Jerzylvania]

How so?

This is the guy who wants tens of millions to lose their votes all because they live in cities and "Abuse a privilege"


So you are gona get a monumentally fucking stupid answer no doubt.

"but... muh guns"

[Kannap]

Do you want Nazis to run for office?



And it would be stupid of any judge to do so

If someone meets the requirements to run for a position you cannot legally remove them from the ballot or bar them from running

Do you want Nazis to run for office?

[Thermodolia]

We should be. I’d rather not have Q Anon crazies anywhere in the government be that the legislature or the police or anywhere else. Same with nazis and white nats.

And what’s to stop the BOE or Secretary of State from barring anyone whose viewpoints they don’t like. Your opening a very dangerous door hence why we have not done it. Every person regardless of viewpoints if they are eligible has a legal right to run for any office they desire.

Germany seems to do it pretty fine without going down that slippery slope nonsense. You just say that if you are a nazi, race supremacist, anti-vaxxer, or a follower of Q Anon then you can’t run for office, serve in the military, or be a cop.

It’s pretty hard to start banning anyone you don’t like when you make the ban narrow.