2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It's even worse. At least people who support terrorists do so because they saw their family get blown to pieces by a drone strike, and they have a reason to listen when terrorists call the invaders devils.

White supremacists haven't lived through devastation and despair, they are just desperate to hold on to their power and privilege.

Don't forget the people that think being told to wear a piece of cloth over their face is worse than the Holocaust. Maybe America deserves to fall.

I was reading the news today about how Whitmer is gonna keep emergency restrictions in place till a vaccine is created, and the comments sections was full of Trumpster degenerates screaming about "this is a hoax and covid is overblown and only 10,000 people actually died from covid and blah blah blah blah" insert more lies, misunderstandings of science and other ramblings of someone whose eyes point in opposite directions.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

White supremacists haven't lived through devastation and despair, they are just desperate to hold on to their power and privilege.

They have, actually. Most of them are poor and uneducated whites that live in neglected and impoverished communities. They've never felt a good, prosperous life. They've only seen it on TV and heard about it in the past. With all the problems that come with being poor (and there are a fucking lot, let me tell you) they look for someone or something to blame for it all. So they go after liberals, atheists, leftists, and especially non-whites who they've likely never had an interaction with.

They want someone to blame for all their problems in life, so they turn on the TV and watch movies and see all these wealthy people living hedonistic lives and all these minorities depicted as gangbangers and drug pushers and they get a warped idea of how the world works. Most white supremacists have probably never even met a Jew, but they see all these wealthy people with Jewish heritage and Jewish background and they fill in the blanks with their own conspiracy theories. The Internet just allows them to access even more conspiracy theories. They see all these movies of blacks in the ghetto acting like thugs, killing people, raping people, doing drugs, getting sent to prison, and they come up with this idea that all blacks must be like that because they don't know any better.

When they can't get on welfare they blame blacks for "all being on welfare".
When they can't go to the doctor without spending a fortune it must be the work of "greedy Jews".

Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

They blame people they don't know for ruining their lives and sweep them up in massive generalizations, all while voting for the party that claims they want to stop all that but is in fact creating all their problems. While they vote Republican and blame Democrats for all their problems it's in fact the Democrats that want to help them and the Republicans that put them in that position in the first place. Classic misdirection. The majority of white nationalists, white supremacists, and just racists in general are people who've just been cheated in life and don't know who to blame.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

It's even worse. At least people who support terrorists do so because they saw their family get blown to pieces by a drone strike, and they have a reason to listen when terrorists call the invaders devils.

White supremacists haven't lived through devastation and despair, they are just desperate to hold on to their power and privilege.

I mean I would beg to differ on the last part. Alot of these trumpsters are dirt poor and live in some pretty squalid conditions. Not the same as having your family blown up, i know. But far from privileged.

The Trumpsters who go to rallies. The Trumpsters who are visible on the street. Trumpsters who argue when you start talking politics. Sure.

But that's not most of his voters. They're just regular Republicans who would vote for Satan if he had (R) after his name.

They don't go to rallies, they don't wear merch, and they don't argue with you. They're just Republicans, and their vote is none of your business.

Of course there are Democrats much alike.

You should not mistake people of either side for "apolitical". They have opinions. They're just reluctant to share them.

I would feel more sympathy for them if they weren't racist cocksuckers who said "why didn't the president of Puerto Rico do something and stop asking america for help" when Trump went and let thousands of people on the island of my ancestors die following a hurricane.

I'm sorry to hear that. I do wish you'd find a better pejorative than "cocksuckers" though. Having one's cock sucked is quite pleasant. It disturbs me that you would consider the suckers to be bad people!

Also, have sucked cock myself. No biggie.

[San Lumen]

McConnell could care less.

Yeah. This is the guy that skipped on a hearing with 9/11 first responders and their advocates then criticized their dissatisfaction after impeding a relief bill. He's absolutely devoid of empathy and morals.

I agree completely. Hopefully he loses re-election but I won’t hold my breath.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I mean I would beg to differ on the last part. Alot of these trumpsters are dirt poor and live in some pretty squalid conditions. Not the same as having your family blown up, i know. But far from privileged.

The Trumpsters who go to rallies. The Trumpsters who are visible on the street. Trumpsters who argue when you start talking politics. Sure.

But that's not most of his voters. They're just regular Republicans who would vote for Satan if he had (R) after his name.

They don't go to rallies, they don't wear merch, and they don't argue with you. They're just Republicans, and their vote is none of your business.

Of course there are Democrats much alike.

You should not mistake people of either side for "apolitical". They have opinions. They're just reluctant to share them.

I would feel more sympathy for them if they weren't racist cocksuckers who said "why didn't the president of Puerto Rico do something and stop asking america for help" when Trump went and let thousands of people on the island of my ancestors die following a hurricane.

I'm sorry to hear that. I do wish you'd find a better pejorative than "cocksuckers" though. Having one's cock sucked is quite pleasant. It disturbs me that you would consider the suckers to be bad people!

Also, have sucked cock myself. No biggie.

By trumpsters I don't mean republicans who said "must vote red R no matter what." I mean the people who were cheering on this madman since day one and keep supporting him enthusiastically cause "we gotta show the spooks who's boss"

[Valrifell]

Because then we'd have people screaming "Oh no, that's undemocratic and you deserve to be impeached."

It is a good idea though and something I'd personally love to do if I ever became President.

And to those people I say, “your now a terrorist”.

I mean the court packing and impeachment of justices I don’t like is how I’d turn the US into my own dictatorship. The opposition says I can’t run for a third term? My court says the 22nd amendment is unconstitutional. Opposition complains about being removed from the ballot? The court says it’s legal

Amendments can't be unconstitutional literally by definition.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

And to those people I say, “your now a terrorist”.

I mean the court packing and impeachment of justices I don’t like is how I’d turn the US into my own dictatorship. The opposition says I can’t run for a third term? My court says the 22nd amendment is unconstitutional. Opposition complains about being removed from the ballot? The court says it’s legal

Amendments can't be unconstitutional literally by definition.

That one was rather odd, considering that the amendments are part of the constitution, unless of course, they find it to be unconstitutional by some other standard implemented earlier on.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The Trumpsters who go to rallies. The Trumpsters who are visible on the street. Trumpsters who argue when you start talking politics. Sure.

By trumpsters I don't mean republicans who said "must vote red R no matter what." I mean the people who were cheering on this madman since day one and keep supporting him enthusiastically cause "we gotta show the spooks who's boss"

Yeah. It may be the secret of Trump's success that a small number of people spouting lunatic shit created the illusion of a huge popular base.

Free speech. Lurid, unconventional, sometimes delusional speech, carrying extra weight because it was personal and came from non-celebrities, was taken far more seriously than it should have been.

It's not over. I am impressed and a bit afraid of how Free Speech is going to revolutionize politics, in every democracy. It's a wild animal and there are only two choices: jump on and try to ride it ... or run away.

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There are indeed dirt poor white people who vote for Trump and blame their poverty on immigrants, blacks, and Jews but the most significant demographic of Trump supporters are middle-class, with just over 50% of middle-class white women and even more from white men.

As a general rule you don't see many piece of shit cars with Trump bumper stickers, you see brand new trucks and SUV's. Look at the pro-Trump boat parades (one of which unfortunately happened in my hometown as if Scientology hasn't tarnished it enough already).There is a reason people affluent enough to own a boat go for Trump.

[Valrifell]

"This is hysteria," says the person currently arguing against the fact that other people have read a book.

It is hysterical to argue that the book in question has any remote chance of becoming reality.

This attitude is precisely what lead to Gilead happening in the book, whoa.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Amendments can't be unconstitutional literally by definition.

That one was rather odd, considering that the amendments are part of the constitution, unless of course, they find it to be unconstitutional by some other standard implemented earlier on.

I don't think they can. The Constitution is above even the Supreme Court.

The 27th Amendment (the last one) wasn't heard in court, despite it being quite controversial. Which suggests to me that courts don't want anything to do with the passage of "super-legislation" that will be binding on themselves.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

There are indeed dirt poor white people who vote for Trump and blame their poverty on immigrants, blacks, and Jews but the most significant demographic of Trump supporters are middle-class, with just over 50% of middle-class white women and even more from white men.

As a general rule you don't see many piece of shit cars with Trump bumper stickers, you see brand new trucks and SUV's. Look at the pro-Trump boat parades (one of which unfortunately happened in my hometown as if Scientology hasn't tarnished it enough already).There is a reason people affluent enough to own a boat go for Trump.

"Boaters who sunk a boat for Trump, for Trump!"

[San Lumen]

Amendments can't be unconstitutional literally by definition.

That one was rather odd, considering that the amendments are part of the constitution, unless of course, they find it to be unconstitutional by some other standard implemented earlier on.

If amendments could be ruled unconstitutional we wouldn’t have the 11th, 13th, 14th, 15th and 16th amendments. All passed to overturn Supreme Court decisions.

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That one was rather odd, considering that the amendments are part of the constitution, unless of course, they find it to be unconstitutional by some other standard implemented earlier on.

I don't think they can. The Constitution is above even the Supreme Court.

The 27th Amendment (the last one) wasn't heard in court, despite it being quite controversial. Which suggests to me that courts don't want anything to do with the passage of "super-legislation" they will be bound by themselves.

The Supreme Court can "interpret" the Constitution and sometimes those interpretations effectively override it, like during WW1 when the Supreme Court ruled that speaking out against the war was not covered by the First Amendment, equating anti-war speech to shouting fire in a crowded theater. In fact, "sedition" is still a crime to this day.

Don't underestimate the power of SCOTUS, they essentially can amend the Constitution so long as they can come up with some way to justify an interpretation.

[Thermodolia]

Yes, I'm sure taxing billionaires more would really affect the income of middle class Americans who don't have those taxes.

It's almost like you don't comprehend that people who own the corporate sector, aka those fat rich people, are just going to raise prices across the board to compensate for their own personal loss of income.

That’s a really bullshit excuse. Oh we can’t harm the rich cause they might raise prices. So sorry poor people but you’re just going to have to sit their in medical bankruptcy because we can’t tick off the rich.

That’s a bunch of anti-American claptrap. If the rich complain arrest them for treason

[San Lumen]

https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... r-Poll.pdf

New national poll from nbc has Biden up 51/43. We shall have to see if in the coming days the court vacancy has an effect.

[Thermodolia]

Because they're not being enforced as they should at the moment, due to corporations buying out the US gov.

I know you're arguing against socialistic practices, but ironically you're providing many examples about why the US would be better off with more socialism.

Right, cause socialism work so well in China.

East Germany.
N. Korea.
USSR.

ect ect.

Eh it actually worked pretty good in the USSR until we beat them to death with increased military spending plus some internal affairs.

Worked pretty well in Yugoslavia too before ethnic tensions destroyed it

[Thermodolia]

Also, you can keep lying all you want, but it isn't going to change the fact that said nations were indeed socialist.

No, China's given up the veneer of communism for capitalism, North Korea is Juche, the USSR and East Germany wanted to become socialist but never did.

And again, The EU, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc... would like to have a word with you~

No the USSR and East Germany wanted to become communist but never really did, horrible ideology anyway, but they where definitely socialist

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Right, cause socialism work so well in China.

East Germany.
N. Korea.
USSR.

ect ect.

Eh it actually worked pretty good in the USSR until we beat them to death with increased military spending plus some internal affairs.

Worked pretty well in Yugoslavia too before ethnic tensions destroyed it

The USSR surrendered gracefully. They were not beaten to death.

Consider the radical change in stance of the USSR, between Brezhnev and Yeltsin. What happened ..?

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https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/7213809/200625-NBCWSJ-September-Poll.pdf

New national poll from nbc has Biden up 51/43. We shall have to see if in the coming days the court vacancy has an effect.

It's already clear that Trump will nominate a scandal-free woman, probably a woman of color, so he can make the Democrats who resist the appointment look bad. Unfortunately, some centrists will fall for this trick hook, line, and sinker.

This time there will be no "maybe a rapist, definitely had alcohol up his ass" guy. The pick will be a reactionary but without anything to tarnish her personal image.

[San Lumen]

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/7213809/200625-NBCWSJ-September-Poll.pdf

New national poll from nbc has Biden up 51/43. We shall have to see if in the coming days the court vacancy has an effect.

It's already clear that Trump will nominate a scandal-free woman, probably a woman of color, so he can make the Democrats who resist the appointment look bad. Unfortunately, some centrists will fall for this trick hook, line, and sinker.

This time there will be no "maybe a rapist, definitely had alcohol up his ass" guy. The pick will be a reactionary but without anything to tarnish her personal image.

I doubt he nominates a woman of color

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It's already clear that Trump will nominate a scandal-free woman, probably a woman of color, so he can make the Democrats who resist the appointment look bad. Unfortunately, some centrists will fall for this trick hook, line, and sinker.

This time there will be no "maybe a rapist, definitely had alcohol up his ass" guy. The pick will be a reactionary but without anything to tarnish her personal image.

I doubt he nominates a woman of color

Why wouldn't he?

[Thermodolia]

You think the Nazi Party was full on socialist?
You most think The People's Democratic Republic of Korea is democratic

All of the countries with "People’s Republic" in the name do share some striking resemblances, if I must say. They also happen to be ruled by communists

No. Just no.

None of the peoples republics are similar to the Nazis, and not all of them are run by communists

[San Lumen]

I doubt he nominates a woman of color

Why wouldn't he?

It’s very likely going to be Barrett to appease his cult base.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I don't think they can. The Constitution is above even the Supreme Court.

The 27th Amendment (the last one) wasn't heard in court, despite it being quite controversial. Which suggests to me that courts don't want anything to do with the passage of "super-legislation" they will be bound by themselves.

The Supreme Court can "interpret" the Constitution and sometimes those interpretations effectively override it, like during WW1 when the Supreme Court ruled that speaking out against the war was not covered by the First Amendment, equating anti-war speech to shouting fire in a crowded theater. In fact, "sedition" is still a crime to this day.

Got some examples of citizens being charged with sedition?

Don't underestimate the power of SCOTUS, they essentially can amend the Constitution so long as they can come up with some way to justify an interpretation.

They can't amend the Constitution. They can infringe on it, one law at a time, but amending it would undermine many decisions of previous courts.

I also think the court has a better grasp of long-term strategy than government does, and is not afraid to violate the Constitution temporarily to bow to government. Knowing that future courts can overturn their decision.