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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Picairn » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:13 pm

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You didn't answer the question though. Nice deflection.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:14 pm

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New haven america wrote:The fact that you don't believe this just goes to show why most of the US right-wing shouldn't be allowed positions of power.

Fun fact: In places where the national guard get deployed is where riots die down because they're trained in de-escalation, while in areas where police handle things just leads to flare ups because the police aren't trained in de-escalation. Gee, I wonder why that is..?


Remember political views are opinions, so don't go thinking that what you just posted is the way to Utopia.

So saying cops shouldn't be shooting peaceful protestors eyes out with rubber bullets is controversial to you?
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:14 pm

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Oh honey, I'm a leftist. My grievance with the Democrats and the reason I openly criticize them is because, from my perspective, they're too conservative - basically a rightwing party.


You're signature says that you're independent, though.

You can be independent from a political party while maintaining leftist views, same with being independent and centrist or right-wing. Usually happens when there’s no party that accurately represents your views enough to commit to one.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:14 pm

New haven america wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:No, we Republicans supporters of President Trump have a different take on it, President Trump has encouraged police officers to use your words not ours, to put down the violent protests, the burnings, tearing down statues and monuments, l
ooting stores and business at times owned by minority businesses, killing innocent persons, killing cops that are innocent, like the 2 LA Cops they tried to kill, and throwing stuff at police officers, many of who support the defund the police movement and the abolish the police movement, not the peaceful demonstrators, the violent demonstrators in mostly Democrat run cities by Democrat mayors, who have refused Trump s help because Trump is a Republican Party President.

Fun fact: The police's actions are what lead to the riots because thee police don't know how to deescalate volatile situations.

So the riots are the police's fault. :) (And we know this definitively because the National Guard has also gotten involved and they're trained in de-escalation, leading to riots dying down in areas where they are.

This is not what I said, perhaps what you say. reread my post in full context without taking any part of it out of context. The riots and violence in mostly Democrat run cities by democrat mayors stared before this and started after George Floyds death at the hand of bad cops I condemned, I don't condemn the good cops I personally know. President Trump is not encouraging or forcing anyone to commit acts of violence, those persons decided to commit acts of violence and are responsible for their own acts of violence, not President Trump, as the Leftist Liberal Democrats love to blame President Trump for.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:15 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
New haven america wrote:The fact that you don't believe this just goes to show why most of the US right-wing shouldn't be allowed positions of power.

Fun fact: In places where the national guard get deployed is where riots die down because they're trained in de-escalation, while in areas where police handle things just leads to flare ups because the police aren't trained in de-escalation. Gee, I wonder why that is..?


So let me get this straight...

You actually think the National Guard is trained to a higher degree then ANY level of law enforcement?

Like... have you even talked to a guardsmen before bro? The only the Nasty Girls are competent in is forgetting to wear covers when outside and keeping their hands inside their pockets at all times.

And getting absolutely smashed on drill weekends.


This is an example of the left side not understanding how important the military is and how it works.

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Postby Kannap » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:15 pm

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Oh honey, I'm a leftist. My grievance with the Democrats and the reason I openly criticize them is because, from my perspective, they're too conservative - basically a rightwing party.


The Democratic Party is fine on economics, but they are too far left in cultural terms.


They aren't far enough left on anything. Wish we had a good multi-party system so we could have a real leftist party.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:16 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
New haven america wrote:The fact that you don't believe this just goes to show why most of the US right-wing shouldn't be allowed positions of power.

Fun fact: In places where the national guard get deployed is where riots die down because they're trained in de-escalation, while in areas where police handle things just leads to flare ups because the police aren't trained in de-escalation. Gee, I wonder why that is..?


So let me get this straight...

You actually think the National Guard is trained to a higher degree then ANY level of law enforcement?

Like... have you even talked to a guardsmen before bro? The only the Nasty Girls are competent in is forgetting to wear covers when outside and keeping their hands inside their pockets at all times.

And getting absolutely smashed on drill weekends.

I don't have to think or argue that because the results of the riots speak for themselves.

Police action leads to riots, NG action leads to protests continuing peacefully.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:16 pm

New haven america wrote:Fun fact: The police's actions are what lead to the riots because thee police don't know how to deescalate volatile situations.

So the riots are the police's fault. :) (And we know this definitively because the National Guard has also gotten involved and they're trained in de-escalation, leading to riots dying down in areas where they are.


I imagine our police could use much better training, but it is absurd to claim that they would start riots on purpose.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:16 pm

Bienenhalde wrote: but they are too far left in cultural terms.

I wish.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:17 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
So let me get this straight...

You actually think the National Guard is trained to a higher degree then ANY level of law enforcement?

Like... have you even talked to a guardsmen before bro? The only the Nasty Girls are competent in is forgetting to wear covers when outside and keeping their hands inside their pockets at all times.

And getting absolutely smashed on drill weekends.


This is an example of the left side not understanding how important the military is and how it works.

Again, I ain't on the left so get your unoriginal lazy ass buzzwords outa here.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:17 pm

New haven america wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Remember political views are opinions, so don't go thinking that what you just posted is the way to Utopia.

So saying cops shouldn't be shooting peaceful protestors eyes out with rubber bullets is controversial to you?


No, but for your information, rubber bullets can only penetrate the skin at close range. But no, it isn't controversial, we just have different views for the title "peaceful protestor".

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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:18 pm

New haven america wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
This is an example of the left side not understanding how important the military is and how it works.

Again, I ain't on the left so get your unoriginal lazy ass buzzwords outa here.


Get your defiant ass outta here, then we'll talk.

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Postby Aureumterra » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:18 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:I mean most people know this


They don't act like it AT ALL though.

That’s what online echo chambers do. For both the left and right. You only have discussions with people on your side, and the only exposure you have of the other side is the absolute fringe worst of the other side, creating a cycle of radicalization

This is what leads people to believe that every single conservative is a racist, or every single liberal is an SJW tankie
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:19 pm

New haven america wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
So let me get this straight...

You actually think the National Guard is trained to a higher degree then ANY level of law enforcement?

Like... have you even talked to a guardsmen before bro? The only the Nasty Girls are competent in is forgetting to wear covers when outside and keeping their hands inside their pockets at all times.

And getting absolutely smashed on drill weekends.

I don't have to think or argue that because the results of the riots speak for themselves.


Indeed they do.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:19 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
They don't act like it AT ALL though.

That’s what online echo chambers do. For both the left and right. You only have discussions with people on your side, and the only exposure you have of the other side is the absolute fringe worst of the other side, creating a cycle of radicalization


There's more left people than right on here, though.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:19 pm

Biden is still more socially liberal than I would like, but tolerable enough. Unfortunately many Democrats are more extreme than Biden.

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Postby New haven america » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:20 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
New haven america wrote:I don't have to think or argue that because the results of the riots speak for themselves.


Indeed they do.

That was actually the event that lead the NG to take a de-escalation first approach to protests and riots, and is seen by the NG as an embarrassment they can never live down or forget.

Way to shoot yourself in the foot deary.
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Postby Aureumterra » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:21 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:That’s what online echo chambers do. For both the left and right. You only have discussions with people on your side, and the only exposure you have of the other side is the absolute fringe worst of the other side, creating a cycle of radicalization


There's more left people than right on here, though.

Depends on who’s online at what times, but by no means is this site an echo chamber
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Postby New haven america » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:21 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Biden is still more socially liberal than I would like, but tolerable enough. Unfortunately many Democrats are more extreme than Biden.

lol, the Dems are tame compared to left-wing parties in all other developed nations.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:22 pm

New haven america wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Indeed they do.

That was actually the event that lead the NG is take a de-escalation first approach to protests and riots.

Way to shoot yourself in the foot deary.


I don't think you have the facilities for that, big man.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:22 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Biden is still more socially liberal than I would like, but tolerable enough. Unfortunately many Democrats are more extreme than Biden.

Hardly much more, the furthest to the left anyone in Congress or the US government in general gets is the equivalent of a SocDem, which isn’t all that extreme all things considered.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:22 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Biden is still more socially liberal than I would like, but tolerable enough. Unfortunately many Democrats are more extreme than Biden.

Ill buy $ that to a certain extent, excellent reason to vote for Trump as President and to support a conservative US Supreme Court majority.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:23 pm

New haven america wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Biden is still more socially liberal than I would like, but tolerable enough. Unfortunately many Democrats are more extreme than Biden.

lol, the Dems are tame compared to left-wing parties in all other developed nations.


Depends on the nations you're comparing Democrats to.

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Postby Picairn » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:23 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Biden is still more socially liberal than I would like, but tolerable enough. Unfortunately many Democrats are more extreme than Biden.

If Bernie was the nominee, would you have had a heart attack?
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Postby Aureumterra » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:24 pm

New haven america wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Biden is still more socially liberal than I would like, but tolerable enough. Unfortunately many Democrats are more extreme than Biden.

lol, the Dems are tame compared to left-wing parties in all other developed nations.

The Democrats are a big tent party. It ranges from moderates to people like AOC
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