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2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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The Greater Ohio Valley
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:55 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I’m not in the business of looking good to your political wing, so you’re preaching to the void. I’m also not the topic of this thread.


No but he wanted proof so I gave it him. You're welcome.

Uh huh.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:55 pm

Post War America wrote:
Heloin wrote:I've been called to jury duty twice and have only been a citizen for 5 years. Can't say I'm a fan.


Protip: Join a third party, and educate yourself about jury nullification. I've only been called once, and they've never bothered me again.

I’ve been called twice. It’s not too bad. I get paid to do so...
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:55 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
New haven america wrote:Well how else are you supposed to keep the people in check?

Actually care for their wants and needs? Bullshit!


What if people actually want conservative policies?


As some people do. How are going to handle both parties' policies?

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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:55 pm

Thermodolia wrote:God I love President Jackson.

“Let the court enforce its decisions”


If I were a military general back then, I would refuse to obey his orders or even launch a coup.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:55 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
New haven america wrote:Well how else are you supposed to keep the people in check?

Actually care for their wants and needs? Bullshit!


What if people actually want conservative policies?


Then they'll vote for them at the ballot box on November 3rd.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:55 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
No but he wanted proof so I gave it him. You're welcome.

Uh huh.

Uh huh.

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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:57 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:God I love President Jackson.

“Let the court enforce its decisions”


If I were a military general back then, I would refuse to obey his orders or even launch a coup.


You do know how good of a dueler he was and how hard he was to take down I'm guessing?

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Postby New haven america » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:57 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
New haven america wrote:Well how else are you supposed to keep the people in check?

Actually care for their wants and needs? Bullshit!


What if people actually want conservative policies?

Why would anyone want that?
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Postby Rusozak » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:57 pm

I have a crazy idea. How about we end partisanship in the SCOTUS and pick judges that will rule objectively on facts instead of opinions in a fair court of law as intended?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:57 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Honestly, I don't know what the heck you guys are discussing, arguing about and disagreeing about, as you guys should since you both have different, opinions, economic, political and social views, as Democrat supporters and Republican supporters. I have only seen and read this post, because these threads move so fast. I don't know about documented hypocrisy or not.

I am on record as saying both Republican and Democrat Politicians are hypocrites too, neither are political saints.

But I think, Democrats Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer, Cory Booker and many other Democrats are hypocrites too.

The way they tried to destroy Judge Kavanaugh's reputation and career as highly qualified US Supreme Court Justice. The way they tried to destroy President Trump Politically with the impeachment scam, hoax, the way they blame President Trump for the violence in Democrat run cities by Democrat mayors, who have refused help from President Trump because Trump is a Republican President. S L said a certain Republican Politician should resign for his hypocrisy, by that standard I think all these biased Democrats should resign for their political hypocrisies, and not just for these political hypocrisies but for many other political hypocrisies as well.


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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:57 pm

New haven america wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:1. You mean the Roman Catholic Church? :eyebrow: 2. Anyway, hardly anyone in the real world believes anything close to the dystopia described in The Handmaid's Tale. It looks pretty much like an outrageous straw man to me.

1. Amy's part of a more extreme and almost cultish part of Catholicism, though they do accept some Protestants.
2. Yes, those who are most for or ok with dystopia's always say this before a dystopia happens.


The real dystopia we should be worried about is that of secular Trumpism, not some kind of imaginary theocracy.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:58 pm

New haven america wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
What if people actually want conservative policies?

Why would anyone want that?


You keep criticizing both parties and it's hard to tell which one you belong to.

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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
You are forum Jesus.

Thank you for the compliment my Republican Trump supporter friend, send me some friendly TGs as I call them, from time to time. GMS Alberto.


I would like to believe that Alberto is your name, am I correct?

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Postby New haven america » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:00 pm

Rusozak wrote:I have a crazy idea. How about we end partisanship in the SCOTUS and pick judges that will rule objectively on facts instead of opinions in a fair court of law as intended?

But then 1 party wouldn't get to control for country for generations at a time.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
New haven america wrote:Why would anyone want that?


You keep criticizing both parties and it's hard to tell which one you belong to.

Politics aren't binary.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm

Heloin wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
You keep criticizing both parties and it's hard to tell which one you belong to.

Politics isn't binary.


Didn't say it was. I'm trying to figure out whose side they are on. Unless you count the Democratic-Republican party.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
New haven america wrote:Well how else are you supposed to keep the people in check?

Actually care for their wants and needs? Bullshit!


What if people actually want conservative policies?

If polling is anything to go by, they overwhelmingly don't.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Uh huh.

Uh huh.

Welcome to my ignore list, enjoy your stay.
Rusozak wrote:I have a crazy idea. How about we end partisanship in the SCOTUS and pick judges that will rule objectively on facts instead of opinions in a fair court of law as intended?

Sadly, that would be quite impossible as much as that would be a great thing.
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- Democracy
- LGBTQ+ rights
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- Due process
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- Environmental protections
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Postby Heloin » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Heloin wrote:Politics isn't binary.


Didn't say it was. I'm trying to figure out whose side they are on.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
I have lived in it all my life and my political views and I feel like Alex Cooper, metaphorically speaking.

why don't run if your think you can do better?

Post War America wrote:
The courts were powerless to stop Andrew Jackson's engaging in ethnic cleansing even when they said what he was doing was wrong. What the courts say have no meaningful check on the executive because quite frankly, the executive has an army and they do not.

Ideally, there would be no legislative state, but since you are insistent on expecting me to do the work in this discourse, I at the barest minimum would impose term limits on the existing court.


Jackson was an awful person and funny courts have held people in contempt.

Term limits on the court isnt a bad idea.

And what happens when the executive says no you can’t hold me in court? What happens when law enforcement and the military refuse to listen to the court order?
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:Uh huh.

Welcome to my ignore list, enjoy your stay.
Rusozak wrote:I have a crazy idea. How about we end partisanship in the SCOTUS and pick judges that will rule objectively on facts instead of opinions in a fair court of law as intended?

Sadly, that would be quite impossible as much as that would be a great thing.


Thanks. It's very cozy here.

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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Heloin wrote:Politics isn't binary.


Didn't say it was. I'm trying to figure out whose side they are on. Unless you count the Democratic-Republican party.


Not everyone here is on a side, many of us lean more one way than the other but find room to criticize both parties.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm

Heloin wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
You keep criticizing both parties and it's hard to tell which one you belong to.

Politics aren't binary.


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Postby Organized States » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
New haven america wrote:Fun fact: Amy Barrett's (One of Trump's top picks) sect of Christianity is what inspired Margaret Atwood to write The Handmaid's Tale.


You mean the Roman Catholic Church? :eyebrow: Anyway, hardly anyone in the real world believes anything close to the dystopia described in The Handmaid's Tale. It looks pretty much like an outrageous straw man to me.

I don't think the Handmaid's Tale could ever happen because there'd be too many people like me willing to burn that motherfucker down and with the skills to do so.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm

Organized States wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
You mean the Roman Catholic Church? :eyebrow: Anyway, hardly anyone in the real world believes anything close to the dystopia described in The Handmaid's Tale. It looks pretty much like an outrageous straw man to me.

I don't think the Handmaid's Tale could ever happen because there'd be too many people like me willing to burn that motherfucker down and with the skills to do so.


I don't think that Handmaid's Tale is in anyway relevant to the election, correct?

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