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Thermodolia wrote:

Organized States wrote:Doubt.

Once again, most people don't know nor particularly care about the composition of the Courts. I am the only person I know who can name every member of the Court.

And I know 35 other people besides me who can name all justices on the court

Doubt it.

Post War America wrote:

San Lumen wrote:How dare you! The Valkyrie plot succeeding would have been a great thing.

Then why are you so aggressively opposed to it happening here? By your own admission the GOP is poised to put people in a position to trample on the rights of millions.

We still have a chance to prevent that from happening peacefully and lawfully if we elect Biden in November.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:Enough with the Hitler shit.

Yeah you would say that wouldnt you Hitler.

*gasp*

Thermodolia wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
Protests, yeah, we had protests over Kavanaugh as well. But large-scale riots? Well...come to think of it, maybe, we've gotten **better at rioting this past year, though the same types who protested over Kavanaugh (largely middle-aged women) don't seem to be the types to riot.

Ya but RBG was pretty damn beloved so you’ll have a lot more than just Middle Aged women rioting

Time will tell. I think instances such as a police officer executing a black man in cold blood evoke a more visceral, immediate reaction in people than a contentious hearing in Congress, and that is definitely understandable. RBG was beloved, and I'm torn up about it, but all the political wonks out there who care deeply about this sort of stuff are also usually the people glued to Twitter, not to taking up action in the streets.

Organized States wrote:

Heloin wrote:France has also gone through a lot of different governments in the last two hundred years.

So have we. We change Administrations every four to eight years and have altered our Constitution thirty three separate times.

Not even close to similar situations.

San Lumen wrote:

Post War America wrote:
But are you so committed to your norms, that you'd allow such a person to come to power?

Hindenburg could have stopped Hitler. He didn’t because he knew it would have torn the country apart.

The Nazi Party did win the 1933 election democratically, entering a coalition and being asked to form a government (disgruntledly) by President Hindenburg.

But this isn't the topic for discussion.

Thermodolia wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
Protests, yeah, we had protests over Kavanaugh as well. But large-scale riots? Well...come to think of it, maybe, we've gotten **better at rioting this past year, though the same types who protested over Kavanaugh (largely middle-aged women) don't seem to be the types to riot.

Ya but RBG was pretty damn beloved so you’ll have a lot more than just Middle Aged women rioting

Excuse me, what?

Only 33% of Americans could actually identify the women on the Supreme Court.

Far from being a beloved figure.

Organized States wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:And I know 35 other people besides me who can name all justices on the court

Doubt it.

And I can say the same about your post as well

Major-Tom wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Ya but RBG was pretty damn beloved so you’ll have a lot more than just Middle Aged women rioting

Time will tell. I think instances such as a police officer executing a black man in cold blood evoke a more visceral, immediate reaction in people than a contentious hearing in Congress, and that is definitely understandable. RBG was beloved, and I'm torn up about it, but all the political wonks out there who care deeply about this sort of stuff are also usually the people glued to Twitter, not to taking up action in the streets.

Maybe not, but those people hold power through other means and can motivate others to go take action.

Case in point: I've never personally gone to any boog rallies, but years and years ago I was among the first to adopt and begin spreading the subculture and nowadays it's entirely commonplace.

Organized States wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Ya but RBG was pretty damn beloved so you’ll have a lot more than just Middle Aged women rioting

Excuse me, what?

Only 33% of Americans could actually identify the women on the Supreme Court.

Far from being a beloved figure.

That's over 100,000,000 people tho

Organized States wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Ya but RBG was pretty damn beloved so you’ll have a lot more than just Middle Aged women rioting

Excuse me, what?

Only 33% of Americans could actually identify the women on the Supreme Court.

Far from being a beloved figure.

And she’s the most well known of that bunch. You can try and deny it but she was well known and beloved

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Organized States wrote:Excuse me, what?

Only 33% of Americans could actually identify the women on the Supreme Court.

Far from being a beloved figure.

That's over 100,000,000 people tho

That's just people that could identify the women on the Court, not necessarily those who liked them.

Thermodolia wrote:

Organized States wrote:Excuse me, what?

Only 33% of Americans could actually identify the women on the Supreme Court.

Far from being a beloved figure.

And she’s the most well known of that bunch. You can try and deny it but she was well known and beloved

I'm not doubting she was a public figure, I'm just saying that the vast majority of Americans don't know jack shit about the Supreme Court nor particularly care to know.

No one's going to go fucking apeshit over her passing other than the usual suspects.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
Time will tell. I think instances such as a police officer executing a black man in cold blood evoke a more visceral, immediate reaction in people than a contentious hearing in Congress, and that is definitely understandable. RBG was beloved, and I'm torn up about it, but all the political wonks out there who care deeply about this sort of stuff are also usually the people glued to Twitter, not to taking up action in the streets.

Maybe not, but those people hold power through other means and can motivate others to go take action.

Case in point: I've never personally gone to any boog rallies, but years and years ago I was among the first to adopt and begin spreading the subculture and nowadays it's entirely commonplace.

I don't know what a boog is, and I''m not steadfast in my opinion here. I have a mixed track record of predicting the future to begin with, and given how insane these next few months are going to be, anything is on the table. I just tend to err more towards the cautious side in terms of imagining how weird things are going to get politically.

If there were massive protests over a new nominee, it would come from the power of social media, that's what drove a lot of these massive BLM protests last summer, especially Instagram and Facebook.

Major-Tom wrote:I don't know what a boog is

Stupid 4chan stuff. Cop killers, white supremacists and pedophiles can be counted among their ranks.

All right, everybody, let's all calm down and not accuse each other of wanting to destroy long-standing social orders for at least five minutes.

The irony of the current situation is that the best way to ensure stability when it comes to the Supreme Court is for the Democrats to break the rules and allow packing to an extent. Yes, it will lead to an action-reaction situation in the short term, but after just 10 years of this, the voters would get tired and demand hard limits be set on how many justices there are and how long they can serve. Even in these unstable times(and I'm sorry, Lumen, but I do believe bloodshed or dictatorship are in the cards if we don't straighten up and turn from our current path), people still want some kind of stability in their institutions. They'll gladly pressure lawmakers on the federal and state level to implement the constitutional changes necessary and unite this country behind something for a change. But we have to make the first step by being lawless and support packing the courts with four extra justices to start the machinery.

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:I don't know what a boog is

Stupid 4chan stuff. Cop killers, white supremacists and pedophiles can be counted among their ranks.

It primarily started on reddit. r/firearms and r/weekendgunnit were the main breeding places. /k/ and wider 4chan culture picked it up later.

Major-Tom wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Maybe not, but those people hold power through other means and can motivate others to go take action.

Case in point: I've never personally gone to any boog rallies, but years and years ago I was among the first to adopt and begin spreading the subculture and nowadays it's entirely commonplace.

I don't know what a boog is, and I''m not steadfast in my opinion here. I have a mixed track record of predicting the future to begin with, and given how insane these next few months are going to be, anything is on the table. I just tend to err more towards the cautious side in terms of imagining how weird things are going to get politically.

If there were massive protests over a new nominee, it would come from the power of social media, that's what drove a lot of these massive BLM protests last summer, especially Instagram and Facebook.

We're for sure agreed on that last point, and I've seen more than a few blue checkmarks on Twitter calling for riots already. Fun times are ahead no matter what.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Stupid 4chan stuff. Cop killers, white supremacists and pedophiles can be counted among their ranks.

It primarily started on reddit. r/firearms and r/weekendgunnit were the main breeding places. /k/ and wider 4chan culture picked it up later.

Major-Tom wrote:
I don't know what a boog is, and I''m not steadfast in my opinion here. I have a mixed track record of predicting the future to begin with, and given how insane these next few months are going to be, anything is on the table. I just tend to err more towards the cautious side in terms of imagining how weird things are going to get politically.

If there were massive protests over a new nominee, it would come from the power of social media, that's what drove a lot of these massive BLM protests last summer, especially Instagram and Facebook.

We're for sure agreed on that last point, and I've seen more than a few blue checkmarks on Twitter calling for riots already. Fun times are ahead no matter what.

A real upstanding group of individuals in any case.

Those blue checkmarks calling for violence should get the banhammer on Twitter.

Thermodolia wrote:

Diopolis wrote:I don't expect a civil war. I expect whoever wins the shenanigan-fueled extralegal transition of power between november and january to establish a one party state and start a red/blue terror to deal with protracted civil unrest.
For a variety of reasons the republicans are more likely to actually succeed.

Like I said I don’t think a civil war is going to happen tomorrow or in the next year but we are on the road to one in the next 10 years

Tbh I think that living in an Internet age has warped everyone’s perception to be hyper fixated on violence and unrest so that we perceive things to be worse than it actually is. We’ve been through times just as bad or worse than we have it now, during the Civil Rights and Vietnam-era we also had riots that brought cities to their knees in addition to incidents of police and national guard literally gunning people down, and if the internet had existed then people would be proclaiming “civil war in 5-10 years tops”. I think a lot of us need to take a deep breath and do some re-examining.

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Like I said I don’t think a civil war is going to happen tomorrow or in the next year but we are on the road to one in the next 10 years

Tbh I think that living in an Internet age has warped everyone’s perception to be hyper fixated on violence and unrest so that we perceive things to be worse than it actually is. We’ve been through times just as bad or worse than we have it now, during the Civil Rights and Vietnam-era we also had riots that brought cities to their knees in addition to incidents of police and national guard literally gunning people down, and if the internet had existed then people would be proclaiming “civil war in 5-10 years tops”. I think a lot of us need to take a deep breath and do some re-examining.

I think that's part of the problem myself. Thanks to the internet and the ubiquity of social media, there's no such thing as reality, only consensus reality created by public perception, and these perceptions are created by ideologically extreme strains that have strong holds on the media and enough of a knowledge of psychology to exploit the "like attracts like" and "us and them" mentalities that humans innately possess, creating self-repeating feedback loops of extremism on both sides. Could QAnon have existed and blossomed like it has today in the late 1960s, for example?

Organized States wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Ya but RBG was pretty damn beloved so you’ll have a lot more than just Middle Aged women rioting

Excuse me, what?

Only 33% of Americans could actually identify the women on the Supreme Court.

Far from being a beloved figure.

Meh. I am sure many people can’t even tell you who their states reps and senators are.

From the amount of flowers etc, getting dropped off at the Court, there were many people who knew her.

Bienenhalde wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Tell me how they could have been stopped if they did it. Tell me how you make a Republican controlled Senate do anything they don't want to do. Obama couldn't make them give Merrick Garland a vote, what could Clinton have done?

Either the Senate would stop being Republican controlled, or else the Republicans would grudgely give up and allow a vote on Garland for fear of getting voted out of office by fed up constituents, if nothing else.

So the only hope is that Republicans will allow fair elections in their home states.

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Bienenhalde wrote:

Organized States wrote:Except I don't work for the Government, I work for the Constitution.

This isn't fucking 1858. It's 1932.

And if president disregards the constitution, than the military, FBI, and CIA no longer have any reason to obey the president.

And yet they continue to do so.

San Lumen wrote:

Picairn wrote:No wonder Democrats want to pack the Court.

If Trumps nominee is confirmed they should.

Am I hearing 11 justices? How about 13? 15 going, 17, let's see 19, 21 justices! The skies the limit!

San Lumen wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
So, what, we're just going to double the size of the court every few years?

In theory we could

Just make all 300 million Americans Supreme Court justices.

We can pass a law so that at birth, you're an American citizen and a Supreme Court justice.

Kannap wrote:

San Lumen wrote:If Trumps nominee is confirmed they should.

Am I hearing 11 justices? How about 13? 15 going, 17, let's see 19, 21 justices! The skies the limit!

Write the Judiciary Act to expand the Court and then write a Constitutional amendment locking the door at 11 and set term limits of 15-20 years.

Is this thread having another one of those days?