2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Greater Miami Shores]

The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??

PSSST the problem started in January.

and it was reported on March eleven.

[The Black Forrest]

For fucks sake. The virus is not sentient. It is not some villain hunting down people. It is just a thing that spreads. And do you know who it was that made it possible for it to spread so quickly and so far? Trump it was Trump and his incompetence. Your post is just you trying to deflect blame in the most illogical way possible.

Sentient or not the virus kills people, the flue kills people, a cold kills people, cancer kills people, diseases kill people, this is why we have nurses and doctors, Presidents and world leaders and President Trump don't kill people because of an international virus crisis. I am not trying to deflect blame in any kind of sense. I think I am making logical sense.

No you are not making sense. Have you even taken a science class?

You don’t catch cancer from another person. You don’t catch many diseases from people. The flu doesn’t always kill and doesn’t have long term effects like covid.....nor does the common cold.

Trumps incompetenece and lack of leadership ability is why we are looking at 300000 dead by the end of the year.

[Northern Davincia]

I am saying socialist communism as practiced all over the world, I am aware the socialists say true socialism has not been tried, which I strongly think does not work, because it goes against human nature, call it and human nature whatever you will. True Socialists like yourself and others should not support Fidel, Raúl Castro and the Cuban regime, which live like rich upper class socialist capitalists, but you do:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

The hUmAn NaTuRe argument dies here.

Linked are studies demonstrating that falsity of human nature being centered around greed and competition, with psychological surveys demonstrating that altruistic behavior makes people want to be more altruistic, and that young children, who have not fully been socialized are naturally inclined towards altruism. Archaeological evidence that suggests that disabled people, who would have been a net negative to their groups were cared for in spite of the competitive disadvantage that would cause. As well as two demonstrations of some of the most significant medical advancements in history being made without promise of reward but because they were intended to cure social ills.

Humans are a mixed bag of selfishness and altruism. To say greed and competition are not native to human nature is wrong, simply put.

[The Black Forrest]

PSSST the problem started in January.

and it was reported on March eleven.

The first covid case was in January.

[Northern Davincia]

can we also deny office to Socialists and communists?

Equating socialism with Nazism or QAnon is just stupid

Perhaps, but the danger presented by both is quite similar.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Sentient or not the virus kills people, the flue kills people, a cold kills people, cancer kills people, diseases kill people, this is why we have nurses and doctors, Presidents and world leaders and President Trump don't kill people because of an international virus crisis. I am not trying to deflect blame in any kind of sense. I think I am making logical sense.

No you are not making sense. Have you even taken a science class?

You don’t catch cancer from another person. You don’t catch many diseases from people. The flu doesn’t always kill and doesn’t have long term effects like covid.....nor does the common cold.

Trumps incompetenece and lack of leadership ability is why we are looking at 300000 dead by the end of the year.

oh nice bad try to try and make a point. You don't catch cancer from another person, but cancer does kill people not President Trump. The flue doesn't always kill people, but it does kill people not President Trump. The virus doesn't always kill people either, but it does kill people, not President Trump.

This is your opinion not your facts and I am not the only one who says so: Trumps incompetenece and lack of leadership ability is why we are looking at 300000 dead by the end of the year.

[The Black Forrest]

How would trump not sending supplies lower covid cases? It helped it spread and kill.

What supplies was there to send?

The feds have a stock pile. Not enough to handle the situation. Enough to buy time. He sat on it since it was a flu and it would magically disappear. He also has the ability to motivate industry to produce more.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

How would trump not sending supplies lower covid cases? It helped it spread and kill.

What supplies was there to send?

Yes.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No you are not making sense. Have you even taken a science class?

You don’t catch cancer from another person. You don’t catch many diseases from people. The flu doesn’t always kill and doesn’t have long term effects like covid.....nor does the common cold.

Trumps incompetenece and lack of leadership ability is why we are looking at 300000 dead by the end of the year.

oh nice bad try to try and make a point. You don't catch cancer from another person but cancer does kill people not President Trump. The flue doesn't always kill people, but it does kill people not President Trump. The virus doesn't always kill people either, but it does kill people, not President Trump.

This is your opinion not your facts and I am not the only one who says so: Trumps incompetenece and lack of leadership ability is why we are looking at 300000 dead by the end of the year.

Not that's not an opinion, that's a fact. If we had a stronger response less people would be dead, and it's Trumps fault we didn't have a strong response.

[Ngelmish]

Do you know what Trump is? The President of the United States. Do you know what the President of the United States can do? Direct the entirety of American industry to immediately begin manufacture of things vital for the nation. Guess what President Donald Trump didn't do? He didn't order American industry to do anything and our response was a disaster because of it.



I'll assume you're not from the US and English isn't your first language, what exactly does it mean?

1. Ford and GM did immediately make stuffy stuff. The only thing I see from here is that you want the gov to be involved in everything.
2. It means that Instead of having America get attacked all at once by the virus, each states separately.

it's like instead of throwing a boulder at a person you break it up into tiny pieces.

Although the conversation developed past this point, what you seem to be failing to understand is that the virus separately spreading geographically differently in different states, and America getting attack all at once, is actually the same thing. Because all of the states, whether the rate of infection is higher or lower, is all of America. Think about that concept the next time you want to pontificate on germ theory.

Why should religion own it? They didn’t invent it.

Why should the government own it? They didn't invent it.

Why should it even exist?

Because religious freedom.

I'd generally say pick a lane when you argue a concept should be religious both because it is and isn't exclusively religious, but since when you do pick a lane like you do on guns and use that as an excuse to be reductive on everything else, perhaps you should argue from a position of cognitive dissonance a little more often.

[The Black Forrest]

Why should the government own it? They didn't invent it.

Why should it even exist?

The legal aspects of property and all.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Why should it even exist?

The legal aspects of property and all.

Can probably work that out without signing your life away. As you all probably know, I'm part of the anti marriage party. Conservatives wanna ban gay marriage. We wanna ban ALL marriage.

[Post War America]

The hUmAn NaTuRe argument dies here.

Linked are studies demonstrating that falsity of human nature being centered around greed and competition, with psychological surveys demonstrating that altruistic behavior makes people want to be more altruistic, and that young children, who have not fully been socialized are naturally inclined towards altruism. Archaeological evidence that suggests that disabled people, who would have been a net negative to their groups were cared for in spite of the competitive disadvantage that would cause. As well as two demonstrations of some of the most significant medical advancements in history being made without promise of reward but because they were intended to cure social ills.

Humans are a mixed bag of selfishness and altruism. To say greed and competition are not native to human nature is wrong, simply put.

I sure hope you have some evidence to back your claims, particularly in the sense that not only do those quailities exist, but that they outweight the tendency towards altruism to the point that societal organization should rely on the former over the latter., otherwise I'm going to go ahead and discard your opinions as false.

[The Black Forrest]

I strongly disagree that Trump is a good president and strongly agree with the statement "Donald Trump has made America hellish."

and you have the democratic right too strongly disagree with me and us Republicans, and the democratic right to post it to me and to us Republicans on NS. Just like I have the democratic right to strongly disagree with you and post President Trump is Making America Great Again according to my Political views and my fellow Republicans and to post it to you and anyone on NS.

The problem? You have yet to explain MAGA.

[Telconi]

1. Ford and GM did immediately make stuffy stuff. The only thing I see from here is that you want the gov to be involved in everything.
2. It means that Instead of having America get attacked all at once by the virus, each states separately.

it's like instead of throwing a boulder at a person you break it up into tiny pieces.

Although the conversation developed past this point, what you seem to be failing to understand is that the virus separately spreading geographically differently in different states, and America getting attack all at once, is actually the same thing. Because all of the states, whether the rate of infection is higher or lower, is all of America. Think about that concept the next time you want to pontificate on germ theory.

Why should the government own it? They didn't invent it.

Because religious freedom.

I'd generally say pick a lane when you argue a concept should be religious both because it is and isn't exclusively religious, but since when you do pick a lane like you do on guns and use that as an excuse to be reductive on everything else, perhaps you should argue from a position of cognitive dissonance a little more often.

You being ignorant doesn't make my position inconsistent.

[Telconi]

Why should it even exist?

The legal aspects of property and all.

I co-own property with people I don't fuck, and the government manages to work it out just fine.

[The Black Forrest]

The legal aspects of property and all.

Can probably work that out without signing your life away. As you all probably know, I'm part of the anti marriage party. Conservatives wanna ban gay marriage. We wanna ban ALL marriage.

Well? It didn’t and that is why many laws were created.

If people did the “right” thing; we wouldn’t need the rule of law. This however is an area outside of the thread....unless of course it’s an election topic I missed. Trump does try to mess up many things after all...

[The Black Forrest]

The legal aspects of property and all.

I co-own property with people I don't fuck, and the government manages to work it out just fine.

Are you married to those people? You are not really making sense.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Why should the government own it? They didn't invent it.

Why should it even exist?

Hospital and jail/prison visitation rights, legal guardianship over children you have together, power of attorney, funeral and bereavement leave, joint filing of taxes, right to inheritance of their stuff, among other pretty neat things.

[Telconi]

I co-own property with people I don't fuck, and the government manages to work it out just fine.

Are you married to those people? You are not really making sense.

I'm not.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Can probably work that out without signing your life away. As you all probably know, I'm part of the anti marriage party. Conservatives wanna ban gay marriage. We wanna ban ALL marriage.

Well? It didn’t and that is why many laws were created.

If people did the “right” thing; we wouldn’t need the rule of law. This however is an area outside of the thread....unless of course it’s an election topic I missed. Trump does try to mess up many things after all...

I think you mean Trump gets blamed for anything and everything by the leftists.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Well? It didn’t and that is why many laws were created.

If people did the “right” thing; we wouldn’t need the rule of law. This however is an area outside of the thread....unless of course it’s an election topic I missed. Trump does try to mess up many things after all...

I think you mean Trump gets blamed for anything and everything by the leftists.

Maybe if Trump stopped doing so much stupid shit then he wouldn’t be blamed so much.

[The Black Forrest]

Well? It didn’t and that is why many laws were created.

If people did the “right” thing; we wouldn’t need the rule of law. This however is an area outside of the thread....unless of course it’s an election topic I missed. Trump does try to mess up many things after all...

I think you mean Trump gets blamed for anything and everything by the leftists.

We were discussing marital laws and if they should even exist. Trump is actually a reason why we need marital laws.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I think you mean Trump gets blamed for anything and everything by the leftists.

Maybe if Trump stopped doing so much stupid shit then he wouldn’t be blamed so much.

I think you would not support anything Trump does.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Maybe if Trump stopped doing so much stupid shit then he wouldn’t be blamed so much.

I think you would not support anything Trump does.

Maybe if he actually did something substantially good and acted like a reasonable and well adjusted human being.