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2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:12 pm

Heloin wrote:
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That sounded very sarcastic.

No, I'm being a sarcastic dick. Cannot Think is nice, he's giving you good advice.


Yes, you are a dick. Thanks for admitting that. I took in his advice if you didn't see that. I posted the poll link and will do it again if I need to.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:13 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
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That’s one of CTOANs sexy features. You will get used to it....


Hopefully I do. Otherwise I'll be caught off guard every time.

It’s best not to think about it. You don’t need my class to graduate. But I will always tilt at the windmill of keeping this thread relevant and not a place to wank about your increasingly specific and weird ideologies or whose team has the most meanie poopie heads in it.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:14 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:No, we Republicans supporters of President Trump, have a different take on it, we want the courts to fight, far left socialism and communism, not ghosts and shadows :)

I know, ghosts and shadows.

I have posted a few times on NS, when I lived in Cuba I used to see spirits or ghosts if you prefer, in the house I used to live in Cuba, since then I believe in God and Spirits :) Perhaps you have seen my posts, not far left socialism and communism, oh wait, I have seen far left socialism and communism in Cuba, as I am a native Cuban and American citizen, Proud Republican supporter of President Trump and the Republicans, :) lol. I know what real socialism and communism is, as it has been practiced in Cuba and all over the world. This is one of the reasons I strongly support President Trump and the Republicans, and a conservative majority US Supreme Court.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:15 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Hopefully I do. Otherwise I'll be caught off guard every time.

It’s best not to think about it. You don’t need my class to graduate. But I will always tilt at the windmill of keeping this thread relevant and not a place to wank about your increasingly specific and weird ideologies or whose team has the most meanie poopie heads in it.


Alright then. I'll pull it out of my brain with my wand and put it in the Pensieve. :)

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:17 pm

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So your opposed to all those decisions and would rather it be left up to the states? Nice to know you have no problem with segregated schools, bans on interracial marriage and same sex marriage and firing someone for being gay.


No I'm just ideologically consistent. I would greatly prefer that those landmark decisions weren't reliant on a tiny body of people making the right choice. If the rulings had gone the other way I would still be in favor of weakening or abolishing the court.


The courts are how you have a check on the executive. Without that a executive could do whatever he or she wanted.

What do you want in the courts place?

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Postby Heloin » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:17 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Heloin wrote:No, I'm being a sarcastic dick. Cannot Think is nice, he's giving you good advice.


Yes, you are a dick. Thanks for admitting that. I took in his advice if you didn't see that. I posted the poll link and will do it again if I need to.

I said I'm being a dick. I didn't say I was a dick. The difference could get the mods angry at you, avoid that in the future.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:17 pm

Heloin wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
That's a new complaint. Parking lots. I'll send it up to Inslee and see how he likes it. After all, he's a Democrat.

Cars and everything that come along with them have destroyed cities with wasted space and freeways. Horrible infrastructure for the deadliest and least efficient mode of transportation by a country mile to the detriment of all other forms of transit.


But it's us in the country that need them. Even the most sophisticated mass transit system cannot cover every little rural town or hamlet in a nation as big as the US.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:17 pm

Heloin wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Yes, you are a dick. Thanks for admitting that. I took in his advice if you didn't see that. I posted the poll link and will do it again if I need to.

I said I'm being a dick. I didn't say I was a dick. The difference could get the mods angry at you, avoid that in the future.


I've pissed off the mods so many times that their intimidation doesn't affect me anymore.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:19 pm

Heloin wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
That's a new complaint. Parking lots. I'll send it up to Inslee and see how he likes it. After all, he's a Democrat.

Cars and everything that come along with them have destroyed cities with wasted space and freeways. Horrible infrastructure for the deadliest and least efficient mode of transportation by a country mile to the detriment of all other forms of transit.

Im all in favor of investing in public transit. Biden is a big advocate of rail, He commuted to DC for years via Amtrak from Wilmington.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:19 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I know, ghosts and shadows.

I have posted a few times on NS, when I lived in Cuba I used to see spirits or ghosts if you prefer, in the house I used to live in Cuba, since then I believe in God and Spirits :) Perhaps you have seen my posts, not far left socialism and communism, oh wait, I have seen far left socialism and communism in Cuba, as I am a native Cuban and American citizen, Proud Republican supporter of President Trump and the Republicans, :) lol. I know what real socialism and communism is, as it has been practiced in Cuba and all over the world. This is one of the reasons I strongly support President Trump and the Republicans, and a conservative majority US Supreme Court.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:19 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Heloin wrote:Cars and everything that come along with them have destroyed cities with wasted space and freeways. Horrible infrastructure for the deadliest and least efficient mode of transportation by a country mile to the detriment of all other forms of transit.


But it's us in the country that need them. Even the most sophisticated mass transit system cannot cover every little rural town or hamlet in a nation as big as the US.


This^

A bunch of us would just straight up be stranded if mass transit is all there was.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:20 pm

I hate district WA-1.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:20 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:I hate district WA-1.

why?

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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:20 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I have posted a few times on NS, when I lived in Cuba I used to see spirits or ghosts if you prefer, in the house I used to live in Cuba, since then I believe in God and Spirits :) Perhaps you have seen my posts, not far left socialism and communism, oh wait, I have seen far left socialism and communism in Cuba, as I am a native Cuban and American citizen, Proud Republican supporter of President Trump and the Republicans, :) lol. I know what real socialism and communism is, as it has been practiced in Cuba and all over the world. This is one of the reasons I strongly support President Trump and the Republicans, and a conservative majority US Supreme Court.

I don’t care.


Good for you.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:20 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I know, ghosts and shadows.


I see dead people.

You might wanna call the Ghostbusters.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:20 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I don’t care.


Good for you.

Who are you?
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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:21 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:No, we Republicans supporters of President Trump, have a different take on it, we want the courts to fight, far left socialism and communism, not ghosts and shadows :)

I know, ghosts and shadows.

AOC says Ginsburg's death should 'radicalize' Dems: 'I need you to be ready'

What’s that you say?
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:I hate district WA-1.

why?


I have lived in it all my life and my political views and I feel like Alex Cooper, metaphorically speaking.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:21 pm

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I know, ghosts and shadows.

AOC says Ginsburg's death should 'radicalize' Dems: 'I need you to be ready'

What’s that you say?

I like her words but im sure your side will take it wildly out of context.

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Postby Post War America » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:22 pm

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No I'm just ideologically consistent. I would greatly prefer that those landmark decisions weren't reliant on a tiny body of people making the right choice. If the rulings had gone the other way I would still be in favor of weakening or abolishing the court.


The courts are how you have a check on the executive. Without that a executive could do whatever he or she wanted.

What do you want in the courts place?


The courts were powerless to stop Andrew Jackson's engaging in ethnic cleansing even when they said what he was doing was wrong. What the courts say have no meaningful check on the executive because quite frankly, the executive has an army and they do not.

Ideally, there would be no legislative state, but since you are insistent on expecting me to do the work in this discourse, I at the barest minimum would impose term limits on the existing court.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:22 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Good for you.

Who are you?


Don't think that matters. What matters is you being rude for someone being open about their beliefs.

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Postby Heloin » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:23 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Heloin wrote:Cars and everything that come along with them have destroyed cities with wasted space and freeways. Horrible infrastructure for the deadliest and least efficient mode of transportation by a country mile to the detriment of all other forms of transit.


But it's us in the country that need them. Even the most sophisticated mass transit system cannot cover every little rural town or hamlet in a nation as big as the US.

Which, alongside emergency and work related stuff, is the only place cars belong. If you live in a rural environment cars are the only viable option for local transit. But for interstate, suburban, downtown, and freight, rail and boat are the way to go.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:23 pm

Biden’s pushing a majority over a plurality in enough states to win the EC, apparently.
According to the latest RealClearPolitics average, Biden is sitting at 49.3 percent in national surveys and has a 6.2 percentage point lead over President Donald Trump. That’s significantly higher than Clinton’s 44.9 percent mark this time four years ago, which was good for only a 1 point lead.

It’s the same story in many of the battleground states: Biden is at or within 2 points of majority support in enough states to lock down an Electoral College victory, compared with Clinton’s low- to mid-40s scores in mid-September 2016 in the same states, some of which she would end up losing as late-deciding voters went decisively for Trump.
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It’s a fundamental difference in Democrats’ standing compared to this time four years ago. While Biden has not locked up the election, the path to victory that Trump took in 2016 is currently blocked.

...

In most of the 13 swing states identified by POLITICO — those rated as toss-ups or just leaning toward one party in our Election Forecast — Biden is not only outperforming Clinton in terms of the margin between him and Trump, his average vote share is also greater than Clinton’s was at this point four years ago.

Biden leads in 10 of the 13 states, according to RealClearPolitics averages, trailing Trump only in Georgia, Iowa and Texas. In Sept. 2016, Clinton also trailed in Arizona, Florida and Ohio.

In addition to nearing 49 percent in Florida, Biden is at 49.2 percent in Arizona, 47.8 percent in Michigan, 51.6 percent in Minnesota, 48 percent in New Hampshire, 49 percent in Pennsylvania and just over 50 percent in Wisconsin.

Victories in those states, where Biden's lead over Trump is at least 4 points, would clinch the presidency for the former vice president even if Trump won the other swing states. In fact, if Biden won Arizona, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, he could afford to cede Florida, Nevada, North Carolina and Ohio — each of which he leads right now — and still become the next president.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:23 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
San Lumen wrote:why?


I have lived in it all my life and my political views and I feel like Alex Cooper, metaphorically speaking.

why don't run if your think you can do better?

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
The courts are how you have a check on the executive. Without that a executive could do whatever he or she wanted.

What do you want in the courts place?


The courts were powerless to stop Andrew Jackson's engaging in ethnic cleansing even when they said what he was doing was wrong. What the courts say have no meaningful check on the executive because quite frankly, the executive has an army and they do not.

Ideally, there would be no legislative state, but since you are insistent on expecting me to do the work in this discourse, I at the barest minimum would impose term limits on the existing court.


Jackson was an awful person and funny courts have held people in contempt.

Term limits on the court isnt a bad idea.

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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:24 pm

Heloin wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
But it's us in the country that need them. Even the most sophisticated mass transit system cannot cover every little rural town or hamlet in a nation as big as the US.

Which, alongside emergency and work related stuff, is the only place cars belong. If you live in a rural environment cars are the only viable option for local transit. But for interstate, suburban, downtown, and freight, rail and boat are the way to go.


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