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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:58 pm

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You know, if a country was built on all of those policies, they would be the exact opposite of thriving.


Hey, I doubt it.


Why do you doubt it?

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:59 pm

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Sounds like you want a court to fight ghosts and shadows.

No, we Republicans supporters of President Trump, have a different take on it, we want the courts to fight, far left socialism and communism, not ghosts and shadows :)

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:00 pm

I like dueling headlines within a single source almost as much as I like tracing a single story across various sources.

Is the battle for SCOTUS now a Democratic rallying point the way it was for Republicans in 2016...
A new Marquette University Law School poll paints the landscape well. Nationally, it finds that 59% of Biden voters say that appointing the next Supreme Court justice is very important to their vote. Compare that with only 51% of Trump voters.

This finding matches what we saw in a CNN/SSRS poll last month. In that poll, 78% of Biden backers told pollsters that nominating the next justice was extremely or very important to their vote. That compared with 64% of Trump supporters. (It was 47% Biden supporters and 32% Trump supporters who said it was extremely important.)

Compare these numbers to what we saw heading into the 2016 election. The final CNN/ORC poll in that cycle showed that 58% of Trump supporters said that nominating the next Supreme Court justice was extremely important to their vote, while only 46% of Hillary Clinton voters said the same. In the 2016 exit poll, Trump beat Clinton by a 15 point margin among those who put Supreme Court appointments as the most important factor to their vote.

In other words, it seems, at least initially, that unlike in 2016, a Supreme Court nominating fight could be more of a motivating factor for Democrats than Republicans.

Or, is it the congressional rally cry that McConnell was waiting for:
Top Senate Republicans are privately arguing that it would boost their chances of holding the majority in November if their party makes a full-throated effort at confirming President Donald Trump's pick for the Supreme Court, according to multiple GOP sources, despite their past posture that such nominees should not be confirmed in a presidential election year.

Behind the scenes, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is calculating whether he has the votes to quickly confirm Trump's eventual nominee to the Supreme Court, focusing in large part on the party's most vulnerable Republicans facing voters in less than two months. The Kentucky Republican could only lose three senators of his 53-47 majority and still confirm the pick with a tie-breaking vote from Vice President Mike Pence.

The argument, according to Senate GOP sources, is that getting behind Trump's pick will energize the Republican base and woo conservative-leaning voters who are uncertain about backing Trump and the GOP this fall. Opposing the nominee, they argue, will only cause a backlash from their party's supporters and might not be enough to win over Democratic voters who are already inclined to back their opponents.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:01 pm

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If there was no judicial review just about every landmark case from Brown to Ogberfell would not have happened


Dredd Scott also would not have happened. Korematsu wouldn't have happened. And while I don't particularly care, you might be surprised to find out DC v Heller wouldn't have happened either. That a small cluster of people get to have a lifetime access to determining the fate of the country sometimes helps you doesn't make it a good idea.

Dred Scott was overturned by the 13th, 14 and 15th amendment.

without judicial review schools would still be segregated, interracial marriage and same sex marriage would be illegal and one could be fired for being gay just to name a few but you have no problem with that?

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:02 pm

Post War America wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Ah, well. With no check on the two branches, I’m sure all your problems will be solved.

This is starting to sound like a job for another thread. So much so I’m not even going to pivot within it. I’m just going to leave this festering pile of a bad idea badly thought out just sitting here, stinking up the room and make a new, on topic post.


Imagine thinking SCOTUS meaningfully checks the legislature and the executive.

Imagine thinking that was my point.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:03 pm

Missouri poll for president:
Trump: 53%
Biden: 45%

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Postby Post War America » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Dredd Scott also would not have happened. Korematsu wouldn't have happened. And while I don't particularly care, you might be surprised to find out DC v Heller wouldn't have happened either. That a small cluster of people get to have a lifetime access to determining the fate of the country sometimes helps you doesn't make it a good idea.

Dred Scott was overturned by the 13th, 14 and 15th amendment.

without judicial review schools would still be segregated, interracial marriage and same sex marriage would be illegal and one could be fired for being gay just to name a few but you have no problem with that?


I have a problem with giving on a publicly unaccountable body of people that much power.

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Imagine thinking SCOTUS meaningfully checks the legislature and the executive.

Imagine thinking that was my point.


Your rejection of the idea was based on it leaving the legislature and executive unchecked but okay.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:04 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:Missouri poll for president:
Trump: 53%
Biden: 45%

can you give a source? Thats not a good result for him but we shall have to see what the court vacancy does in a few days.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:04 pm

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Irrelevant. McConnell is seeking to achieve a long term win that will exceed well past his lifetime. He doesn't care if Republicans lose the Senate in the short term.


Screw Him. He should resign from the Senate for his utter hypocrisy or his staff should refuse to work.

Democrat Politicians are hypocrites too, You think only Republican Politicians are hypocrites? You think Democrat Politicians are not hypocrites too?
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Postby Heloin » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:05 pm

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Heloin wrote:Make politicians and rich people use the public transit and the public transit will be good. Then maybe people will stop building so many useless fucking parking lots.


That's a new complaint. Parking lots. I'll send it up to Inslee and see how he likes it. After all, he's a Democrat.

Cars and everything that come along with them have destroyed cities with wasted space and freeways. Horrible infrastructure for the deadliest and least efficient mode of transportation by a country mile to the detriment of all other forms of transit.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:05 pm

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Dred Scott was overturned by the 13th, 14 and 15th amendment.

without judicial review schools would still be segregated, interracial marriage and same sex marriage would be illegal and one could be fired for being gay just to name a few but you have no problem with that?


I have a problem with giving on a publicly unaccountable body of people that much power.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Imagine thinking that was my point.


Your rejection of the idea was based on it leaving the legislature and executive unchecked but okay.


So your opposed to all those decisions and would rather it be left up to the states? Nice to know you have no problem with segregated schools, bans on interracial marriage and same sex marriage and firing someone for being gay.

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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:Missouri poll for president:
Trump: 53%
Biden: 45%

can you give a source? Thats not a good result for him but we shall have to see what the court vacancy does in a few days.


270towin.com

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:06 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
San Lumen wrote:can you give a source? Thats not a good result for him but we shall have to see what the court vacancy does in a few days.


270towin.com

a link to the poll

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:06 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Source?

Actually “fake news” is a conservative epitaph. If you have evidence of libs using it; by all means!


https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-39592010


Ok. I am not surprised. If you are thinking AHHA! or since they do it.....

Your article had one very important rule. Check the sources!
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:07 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Screw Him. He should resign from the Senate for his utter hypocrisy or his staff should refuse to work.

Democrat Politicians are hypocrites too, You think only Republican Politicians are hypocrites? You think Democrat Politicians are not hypocrites too?


Which Democrats?
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
270towin.com

a link to the poll


https://www.270towin.com/polls/latest-2 ... ion-polls/

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:07 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:Missouri poll for president:
Trump: 53%
Biden: 45%

Holy fuck, look at you, making a relevant and current post in the election thread that isn’t some sort of chest beating throwing leaves over your head yay team post. Good for you. I know that sounds sarcastic but it’s not. More this, less that.

Few notes, though. First, link to the poll. You don’t have to give the score of the pollsters like some do but it’s nice. Also, when available, try and tie it into some sort of progression, is it getting better or worse for whoever, are you pitching this as a tipping point? Etc,.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:08 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Or, is it the congressional rally cry that McConnell was waiting for:
Top Senate Republicans are privately arguing that it would boost their chances of holding the majority in November if their party makes a full-throated effort at confirming President Donald Trump's pick for the Supreme Court, according to multiple GOP sources, despite their past posture that such nominees should not be confirmed in a presidential election year.

Behind the scenes, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is calculating whether he has the votes to quickly confirm Trump's eventual nominee to the Supreme Court, focusing in large part on the party's most vulnerable Republicans facing voters in less than two months. The Kentucky Republican could only lose three senators of his 53-47 majority and still confirm the pick with a tie-breaking vote from Vice President Mike Pence.

The argument, according to Senate GOP sources, is that getting behind Trump's pick will energize the Republican base and woo conservative-leaning voters who are uncertain about backing Trump and the GOP this fall. Opposing the nominee, they argue, will only cause a backlash from their party's supporters and might not be enough to win over Democratic voters who are already inclined to back their opponents.


Entirely anecdotal so take it as you will but I've seen a lot of renewed interest in voting Republican from people who were either disinterested or felt unsure about sticking the GOP this year if they manage to get a nominee in.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:08 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:Missouri poll for president:
Trump: 53%
Biden: 45%

Holy fuck, look at you, making a relevant and current post in the election thread that isn’t some sort of chest beating throwing leaves over your head yay team post. Good for you. I know that sounds sarcastic but it’s not. More this, less that.

Few notes, though. First, link to the poll. You don’t have to give the score of the pollsters like some do but it’s nice. Also, when available, try and tie it into some sort of progression, is it getting better or worse for whoever, are you pitching this as a tipping point? Etc,.

You can do it, I believe in you.


That sounded very sarcastic.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:08 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:No, we Republicans supporters of President Trump, have a different take on it, we want the courts to fight, far left socialism and communism, not ghosts and shadows :)

I know, ghosts and shadows.


I see dead people.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:09 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I know, ghosts and shadows.


I see dead people.


Lucky.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:10 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Holy fuck, look at you, making a relevant and current post in the election thread that isn’t some sort of chest beating throwing leaves over your head yay team post. Good for you. I know that sounds sarcastic but it’s not. More this, less that.

Few notes, though. First, link to the poll. You don’t have to give the score of the pollsters like some do but it’s nice. Also, when available, try and tie it into some sort of progression, is it getting better or worse for whoever, are you pitching this as a tipping point? Etc,.

You can do it, I believe in you.


That sounded very sarcastic.


That’s one of CTOANs sexy features. You will get used to it....
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Post War America » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
I have a problem with giving on a publicly unaccountable body of people that much power.



Your rejection of the idea was based on it leaving the legislature and executive unchecked but okay.


So your opposed to all those decisions and would rather it be left up to the states? Nice to know you have no problem with segregated schools, bans on interracial marriage and same sex marriage and firing someone for being gay.


No I'm just ideologically consistent. I would greatly prefer that those landmark decisions weren't reliant on a tiny body of people making the right choice. If the rulings had gone the other way I would still be in favor of weakening or abolishing the court.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:10 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Holy fuck, look at you, making a relevant and current post in the election thread that isn’t some sort of chest beating throwing leaves over your head yay team post. Good for you. I know that sounds sarcastic but it’s not. More this, less that.

Few notes, though. First, link to the poll. You don’t have to give the score of the pollsters like some do but it’s nice. Also, when available, try and tie it into some sort of progression, is it getting better or worse for whoever, are you pitching this as a tipping point? Etc,.

You can do it, I believe in you.


That sounded very sarcastic.

No, I'm being a sarcastic dick. Cannot Think is nice, he's giving you good advice.
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:10 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
That sounded very sarcastic.


That’s one of CTOANs sexy features. You will get used to it....


Hopefully I do. Otherwise I'll be caught off guard every time.
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