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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:40 am

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How dare you! The Valkyrie plot succeeding would have been a great thing.


Then why are you so aggressively opposed to it happening here? By your own admission the GOP is poised to put people in a position to trample on the rights of millions.

There is no comparison to Hitler.

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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:40 am

Organized States wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Oh c'mon Therm, what the hell are you doing? McConnell isn't going to be killed, we're not going to have massive riots in the streets because of this untimely death of RBG.

TBH most people don't know who RBG was.


This too, it was tragic and horrible news, but ask a sample of 20 people on the street, about half could tell you who she was, and about a quarter what she did.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:41 am

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Thermodolia wrote:RBG wasn’t dead and it wasn’t McConnell. I’m just telling you what I’ve been hearing. The amount of people who want McConnell dead has increased greatly.

And if McConnell gets killed before he can bring up a vote then well all hell breaks loose.

I get it it’s not fun to think about but sticking your head in the sand isn’t going to do you any good


Oh c'mon Therm, what the hell are you doing? McConnell isn't going to be killed, we're not going to have massive riots in the streets because of this untimely death of RBG.


Disagree heavily on the underlined. People will absolutley turn out and protest and inevitably riot if the GOP rams through a nominee.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:41 am

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It’s kind of hard to set up an army. They will probably go the route of terrorism ala McVeigh.

I mean, we’ve seen this episode. They hole up in some nowhere place and get surrounded until someone gets bored.

There isn’t going to be a civil war, it’s just a silly thing people say to avoid talking about the election in a thread dedicated to the election.

Like, maybe Trump has an inclination that he’s not going to win.
(CNN)President Donald Trump on Saturday said that Republicans have an "obligation" to fill Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's vacant seat on the Supreme Court "without delay," as Democrats argue the Senate should refrain from confirming a replacement until after the next president is sworn in.

"@GOP We were put in this position of power and importance to make decisions for the people who so proudly elected us, the most important of which has long been considered to be the selection of United States Supreme Court Justices. We have this obligation, without delay!" Trump wrote on Twitter.


Indeed. It’s easier to talk about it then do it. Then you get the occasional “I’m going to be a hero” types.....

I have read more then a few things of comments saying they were going to loose. Even the Don jr has made a comment or two. I predict Trump will do as much petty bullshit as he can since he has shown himself be be a vindictive twat. Love the Brits for their use of that word.......
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:41 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Oh c'mon Therm, what the hell are you doing? McConnell isn't going to be killed, we're not going to have massive riots in the streets because of this untimely death of RBG.


Disagree heavily on the underlined. People will absolutley turn out and protest and inevitably riot if the GOP rams through a nominee.

They probably will. I don’t trust the word of a single Republican.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:42 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:RBG wasn’t dead and it wasn’t McConnell. I’m just telling you what I’ve been hearing. The amount of people who want McConnell dead has increased greatly.

And if McConnell gets killed before he can bring up a vote then well all hell breaks loose.

I get it it’s not fun to think about but sticking your head in the sand isn’t going to do you any good


Oh c'mon Therm, what the hell are you doing? McConnell isn't going to be killed, we're not going to have massive riots in the streets because of this untimely death of RBG.

I’m just saying that if McConnell was killed shit will hit the fan like we haven’t seen in a long time. Riots won’t happen because of RBG’s death but because of McConnell getting killed and then right wing retaliations.

I’m just saying I im not going to be surprised if such an attempt on his life occurs before the election.
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Postby Celritannia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:42 am

Organized States wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Oh c'mon Therm, what the hell are you doing? McConnell isn't going to be killed, we're not going to have massive riots in the streets because of this untimely death of RBG.

TBH most people don't know who RBG was.


I just find it ironic that in the US, judges can be elected, and the Supreme Court is selected by the President to be confirmed by the Senate.

Does not really say the Judiciary is a fully independent body.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:42 am

Organized States wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Oh c'mon Therm, what the hell are you doing? McConnell isn't going to be killed, we're not going to have massive riots in the streets because of this untimely death of RBG.

TBH most people don't know who RBG was.

A feature documentary, feature film, a regular character on SNL, the go to costume for your politically active female character in a tv show, even Family Guy drops references to her. She might be the only justice most people know.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:42 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Oh c'mon Therm, what the hell are you doing? McConnell isn't going to be killed, we're not going to have massive riots in the streets because of this untimely death of RBG.


Disagree heavily on the underlined. People will absolutley turn out and protest and inevitably riot if the GOP rams through a nominee.


Depends on the person and their history. Barrett? There will probably be protests.
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Postby Organized States » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:43 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Oh c'mon Therm, what the hell are you doing? McConnell isn't going to be killed, we're not going to have massive riots in the streets because of this untimely death of RBG.


Disagree heavily on the underlined. People will absolutley turn out and protest and inevitably riot if the GOP rams through a nominee.

Doubt.

Once again, most people don't know nor particularly care about the composition of the Courts. I am the only person I know who can name every member of the Court.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:43 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Oh c'mon Therm, what the hell are you doing? McConnell isn't going to be killed, we're not going to have massive riots in the streets because of this untimely death of RBG.

I’m just saying that if McConnell was killed shit will hit the fan like we haven’t seen in a long time. Riots won’t happen because of RBG’s death but because of McConnell getting killed and then right wing retaliations.

I’m just saying I im not going to be surprised if such an attempt on his life occurs before the election.

And it would be horrible if he did.
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Postby Post War America » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:43 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Then why are you so aggressively opposed to it happening here? By your own admission the GOP is poised to put people in a position to trample on the rights of millions.

There is no comparison to Hitler.


But are you so committed to your norms, that you'd allow such a person to come to power?
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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:43 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Oh c'mon Therm, what the hell are you doing? McConnell isn't going to be killed, we're not going to have massive riots in the streets because of this untimely death of RBG.

I’m just saying that if McConnell was killed shit will hit the fan like we haven’t seen in a long time. Riots won’t happen because of RBG’s death but because of McConnell getting killed and then right wing retaliations.

I’m just saying I im not going to be surprised if such an attempt on his life occurs before the election.


He's more likely to die of a heart attack or old age than any far-fetched scenario.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:44 am

Organized States wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Disagree heavily on the underlined. People will absolutley turn out and protest and inevitably riot if the GOP rams through a nominee.

Doubt.

Once again, most people don't know nor particularly care about the composition of the Courts. I am the only person I know who can name every member of the Court.


RBG is a very well known and beloved figure amongst the liberal left, you'd have to be living in a bizarre alternate timeline if that's not the case.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:44 am

Organized States wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Disagree heavily on the underlined. People will absolutley turn out and protest and inevitably riot if the GOP rams through a nominee.

Doubt.

Once again, most people don't know nor particularly care about the composition of the Courts. I am the only person I know who can name every member of the Court.

And I know 35 other people besides me who can name all justices on the court
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:44 am

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:There is no comparison to Hitler.


But are you so committed to your norms, that you'd allow such a person to come to power?

Hindenburg could have stopped Hitler. He didn’t because he knew it would have torn the country apart.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:45 am

Ifreann wrote:You're conflating adherence to the rules with morality, and that's a mistake. America's government is not a flawless engine of justice. Evil and oppression can happen even if all the rules are followed to the letter.


Well, one can have rules with out morality, but I don't think we can have any morality without rules.

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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:45 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Oh c'mon Therm, what the hell are you doing? McConnell isn't going to be killed, we're not going to have massive riots in the streets because of this untimely death of RBG.


Disagree heavily on the underlined. People will absolutley turn out and protest and inevitably riot if the GOP rams through a nominee.


Protests, yeah, we had protests over Kavanaugh as well. But large-scale riots? Well...come to think of it, maybe, we've gotten **better at rioting this past year, though the same types who protested over Kavanaugh (largely middle-aged women) don't seem to be the types to riot.

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Postby Organized States » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:45 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Organized States wrote:TBH most people don't know who RBG was.

A feature documentary, feature film, a regular character on SNL, the go to costume for your politically active female character in a tv show, even Family Guy drops references to her. She might be the only justice most people know.

That's fair, but I think even with that, very few people understand her actual role on the Court.

TBH Supreme Court nominations mean very little to most Americans. Tip O'Neil said it best, "All Politics is local."
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:46 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
But are you so committed to your norms, that you'd allow such a person to come to power?

Hindenburg could have stopped Hitler. He didn’t because he knew it would tear the country apart.

And that’s not a reason to let an evil bastard stay in power! Stop side stepping the question and answer it
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Postby Post War America » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:46 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
But are you so committed to your norms, that you'd allow such a person to come to power?

Hindenburg could have stopped Hitler. He didn’t because he knew it would have torn the country apart.


Right, and you're starting an awful lot like a Hindenburg.
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Postby Organized States » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:47 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Disagree heavily on the underlined. People will absolutley turn out and protest and inevitably riot if the GOP rams through a nominee.


Protests, yeah, we had protests over Kavanaugh as well. But large-scale riots? Well...come to think of it, maybe, we've gotten **better at rioting this past year, though the same types who protested over Kavanaugh (largely middle-aged women) don't seem to be the types to riot.

I expect a lot of Pussyhats and Handmaid's Tale types on the steps of the Capitol, but nothing else.

Maybe some drama in the hearing room if we're lucky.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:47 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Disagree heavily on the underlined. People will absolutley turn out and protest and inevitably riot if the GOP rams through a nominee.


Protests, yeah, we had protests over Kavanaugh as well. But large-scale riots? Well...come to think of it, maybe, we've gotten **better at rioting this past year, though the same types who protested over Kavanaugh (largely middle-aged women) don't seem to be the types to riot.

Ya but RBG was pretty damn beloved so you’ll have a lot more than just Middle Aged women rioting
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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:47 am

Enough with the Hitler shit.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:47 am

Major-Tom wrote:Enough with the Hitler shit.

Yeah you would say that wouldnt you Hitler.
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