2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[San Lumen]

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Yes but assassinations are not how we do things.

That sound you're hearing is Kennedy, Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley all rolling in their graves.

What???

[Heloin]

Open a history book mate

I have.

It is still foolish to assume that it can't happen here. Every large hegemonic state has broken up at some point, most due to civil wars. Will it happen within 10 years? Probably not. But you can't assume that it will never happen, because that's exactly how it happens.

'Murica will last until the sun explodes *nods*

[Ifreann]

So what? Who's going to stop them? They have the Supreme Court, Trump's judges can just rule his actions legal. What difference does the legitimacy of the court make?

If the court isn't considered legitimate, then why would the army, or the FBI, or the CIA listen to them? We could very well have a second civil war breaking out.

What would it matter if the CIA didn't think the court's ruling against gay marriage is legitimate? What would it matter if the army thinks abortion should be legal? Do you think the FBI would assassinate the president over a court ruling that he's allowed to nominate his family to Senate-confirmed positions?

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We are already going to have a second civil war breaking out. There’s nothing we can do to stop it. We can only extend the time frame at this point.

If Biden wins in November the civil war would still happen just not as soon, if Trump wins civil war will happen within 5 years.

All we are doing is extending when the civil war happens by 5 or so years

Well, I can understand the fear that a civil war might be unpreventable, but I still think we should try to stand up for what is morally right and not just engage in shameless power grabs. If we aren't going to have any moral standards, what is the point of voting or engaging in politics in the first place. I am supporting Biden because I believe he believes in morals and the rule of law. But if neither side will care about morals or laws, why even bother voting?

You're conflating adherence to the rules with morality, and that's a mistake. America's government is not a flawless engine of justice. Evil and oppression can happen even if all the rules are followed to the letter.

[Post War America]

Because there are those who are legitimately thinking their life is in danger if another conservative gets on the court. When that happens people will either go into depression or lash out in anger. And many are leaning towards anger

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Yes but assassinations are not how we do things. I would be heartbroken to hear a mayor of a major city, governor, or member of congress was assassinated.

Would you have assassinated Hitler when he was just chancellor of Germany?

I understand the question is hyperbolic at this time (so don't just use the hyperbole of the situation to dismiss the question), but is your commitment to norms and civility so extreme that you would be willing to leave millions to die to protect them?

[Organized States]

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Yes but assassinations are not how we do things.

That sound you're hearing is Kennedy, Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley all rolling in their graves.

Are you aware of how significantly difficult it is to pull off an assassination in this day and age?

Particularly one as high profile as the Senate Majority Leader or the President of the United States?

[Cannot think of a name]

If they think of it as a way to cleanse the country of ‘leftists’...

It’s kind of hard to set up an army. They will probably go the route of terrorism ala McVeigh.

I mean, we’ve seen this episode. They hole up in some nowhere place and get surrounded until someone gets bored.

There isn’t going to be a civil war, it’s just a silly thing people say to avoid talking about the election in a thread dedicated to the election.

Like, maybe Trump has an inclination that he’s not going to win.

(CNN)President Donald Trump on Saturday said that Republicans have an "obligation" to fill Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's vacant seat on the Supreme Court "without delay," as Democrats argue the Senate should refrain from confirming a replacement until after the next president is sworn in.

"@GOP We were put in this position of power and importance to make decisions for the people who so proudly elected us, the most important of which has long been considered to be the selection of United States Supreme Court Justices. We have this obligation, without delay!" Trump wrote on Twitter.

[Thermodolia]

But if the president ignores the orders of the Supreme Court, or packs the court with people who just allow him to trample the constitution and do as he pleases, who is supposed to stop him?

First off, we're not staging a coup to get rid of the President. We're not in the business of domestic politics or removing sitting US Presidents. That's not my job, nor will it ever be. My job is to hunt and kill the enemies of the United States overseas with great prejudice. With that being said, I am not allowed to follow an illegal order and any violation of the Constitution would likely be one of those illegal orders. We don't act in the absence of instruction in regards to these things.

And the Court won't be packed, Congress would have to alter the Judiciary Act and that is a whole other can of worms.

Harris and many other democrats are literally for that though. The courts being packed isn’t out of the realm of possibility anymore

[Washington Resistance Army]

Like I said I don’t think a civil war is going to happen tomorrow or in the next year but we are on the road to one in the next 10 years

I think you are completely misunderstanding the direction of politics in the United States.

France has a round of riots every other year. That's pretty much where we're headed.

Our latest round of riots has seen dozens killed even during a pandemic when a lot of people still aren't going out. That becoming a regular thing is effectively the same as low level civil conflict, and it's likely to get worse.

[Heloin]

Like I said I don’t think a civil war is going to happen tomorrow or in the next year but we are on the road to one in the next 10 years

I think you are completely misunderstanding the direction of politics in the United States.

France has a round of riots every other year. That's pretty much where we're headed.

France has also gone through a lot of different governments in the last two hundred years.

[Valrifell]

That sound you're hearing is Kennedy, Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley all rolling in their graves.

What???

Presidents who were assassinated, it's happened before, of course. Though maybe I misinterpreted what you meant by "we"?

[Post War America]

I think you are completely misunderstanding the direction of politics in the United States.

France has a round of riots every other year. That's pretty much where we're headed.

France has also gone through a lot of different governments in the last two hundred years.

Four Republics, Three Monarchies, and a Fascist State to be precise.

[Thermodolia]

Because there are those who are legitimately thinking their life is in danger if another conservative gets on the court. When that happens people will either go into depression or lash out in anger. And many are leaning towards anger

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Yes but assassinations are not how we do things. I would be heartbroken to hear a mayor of a major city, governor, or member of congress was assassinated.

It doesn’t matter anymore. How we do things has gone out the window. It would be terrible news to hear for sure but its going to happen at some point as many people see no other way out

[Organized States]

I think you are completely misunderstanding the direction of politics in the United States.

France has a round of riots every other year. That's pretty much where we're headed.

France has also gone through a lot of different governments in the last two hundred years.

So have we. We change Administrations every four to eight years and have altered our Constitution thirty three separate times.

[Valrifell]

That sound you're hearing is Kennedy, Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley all rolling in their graves.

Are you aware of how significantly difficult it is to pull off an assassination in this day and age?

Particularly one as high profile as the Senate Majority Leader or the President of the United States?

Yes, but I'm just saying high profile politicians have been killed before in this country. While there's a lot to make it less likely, it's never completely beyond the realm of possibility.

[Thermodolia]

Like I said I don’t think a civil war is going to happen tomorrow or in the next year but we are on the road to one in the next 10 years

I think you are completely misunderstanding the direction of politics in the United States.

France has a round of riots every other year. That's pretty much where we're headed.

I hope I’m very wrong. But I fear I’m not

[San Lumen]

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Yes but assassinations are not how we do things. I would be heartbroken to hear a mayor of a major city, governor, or member of congress was assassinated.

Would you have assassinated Hitler when he was just chancellor of Germany?

I understand the question is hyperbolic at this time (so don't just use the hyperbole of the situation to dismiss the question), but is your commitment to norms and civility so extreme that you would be willing to leave millions to die to protect them?

Hitler had multiple assassination attempts including the infamous Valkyrie plot which nearly succeeded.

[Organized States]

Are you aware of how significantly difficult it is to pull off an assassination in this day and age?

Particularly one as high profile as the Senate Majority Leader or the President of the United States?

Yes, but I'm just saying high profile politicians have been killed before in this country. While there's a lot to make it less likely, it's never completely beyond the realm of possibility.

Yes, and I'm saying that the security infrastructure around people like that makes it extremely difficult to even try and that it's even less likely to happen close to a contentious election.

[Post War America]

Would you have assassinated Hitler when he was just chancellor of Germany?

I understand the question is hyperbolic at this time (so don't just use the hyperbole of the situation to dismiss the question), but is your commitment to norms and civility so extreme that you would be willing to leave millions to die to protect them?

Hitler had multiple assassination attempts including the infamous Valkyrie plot which nearly succeeded.

Yes and?

Would you participate in such a plot?

Would you be supportive of it?

Because your slavish devotion to norms seems to indicate that you'd be upset just because "that's not how we do things in Germany".

[Cannot think of a name]

Are you aware of how significantly difficult it is to pull off an assassination in this day and age?

Particularly one as high profile as the Senate Majority Leader or the President of the United States?

Yes, but I'm just saying high profile politicians have been killed before in this country. While there's a lot to make it less likely, it's never completely beyond the realm of possibility.

And yet the only one even related to a Civil War happened at the end of one and it didn’t respark the conflict.

Maybe you cats could start a Civil War That’s Never Going to Happen But is Totally Gonna Happen thread. I’m not into this RP and it’s not really election related even if you’re tying it to who loses in November.

[Thermodolia]

France has also gone through a lot of different governments in the last two hundred years.

Four Republics, Three Monarchies, and a Fascist State to be precise.

Vive la Revolution!

[San Lumen]

Hitler had multiple assassination attempts including the infamous Valkyrie plot which nearly succeeded.

Yes and?

Would you participate in such a plot?

Would you be supportive of it?

Because your slavish devotion to norms seems to indicate that you'd be upset just because "that's not how we do things in Germany".

How dare you! The Valkyrie plot succeeding would have been a great thing.

[Thermodolia]

France has also gone through a lot of different governments in the last two hundred years.

So have we. We change Administrations every four to eight years and have altered our Constitution thirty three separate times.

That’s not the same thing in the slightest.

Once we’ve had 5 different republics, one fascist state, and three different monarchies then we can talk

[Major-Tom]

Except someone actually tried not two years ago and nothing happened.

Stop.

RBG wasn’t dead and it wasn’t McConnell. I’m just telling you what I’ve been hearing. The amount of people who want McConnell dead has increased greatly.

And if McConnell gets killed before he can bring up a vote then well all hell breaks loose.

I get it it’s not fun to think about but sticking your head in the sand isn’t going to do you any good

Oh c'mon Therm, what the hell are you doing? McConnell isn't going to be killed, we're not going to have massive riots in the streets because of this untimely death of RBG.

[Post War America]

Yes and?

Would you participate in such a plot?

Would you be supportive of it?

Because your slavish devotion to norms seems to indicate that you'd be upset just because "that's not how we do things in Germany".

How dare you! The Valkyrie plot succeeding would have been a great thing.

Then why are you so aggressively opposed to it happening here? By your own admission the GOP is poised to put people in a position to trample on the rights of millions.

[Organized States]

RBG wasn’t dead and it wasn’t McConnell. I’m just telling you what I’ve been hearing. The amount of people who want McConnell dead has increased greatly.

And if McConnell gets killed before he can bring up a vote then well all hell breaks loose.

I get it it’s not fun to think about but sticking your head in the sand isn’t going to do you any good

Oh c'mon Therm, what the hell are you doing? McConnell isn't going to be killed, we're not going to have massive riots in the streets because of this untimely death of RBG.

TBH most people don't know who RBG was.