2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Diopolis]

I don't expect a civil war. I expect whoever wins the shenanigan-fueled extralegal transition of power between november and january to establish a one party state and start a red/blue terror to deal with protracted civil unrest.
For a variety of reasons the republicans are more likely to actually succeed.

[Cannot think of a name]

Fascinating. Why are the conservatives so desperate to start another war in this country?

Wanting a civil war that could destroy everything we hold dear about the US isn't really conservative.

If they think of it as a way to cleanse the country of ‘leftists’...

[Bienenhalde]

And if president disregards the constitution, than the military, FBI, and CIA no longer have any reason to obey the president.

Then we just don't do anything.

The National Security Infrastructure is designed specifically to be completely useless without legal orders. We just continue on with business as usual. You're making mountains out of molehills. We don't act independently. That's just not how we're built.

But if the president ignores the orders of the Supreme Court, or packs the court with people who just allow him to trample the constitution and do as he pleases, who is supposed to stop him?

[Thermodolia]

That’s assuming the military does anything or doesn’t break up.

Your coup obsession is quite disturbing.

That has literally nothing to do with a damn coup. Read the context dude. If the military doesn’t do anything or breaks up during a civil war then there is nothing that will stop random militias from taking parts of the US

[Aureumterra]

Are you two talking about someone on this thread, or what?

What are the Boogaloo Boys?

It’s this random group of (usually unemployed) people who want a second civil war, but no one really takes them seriously

That’s not important though, I’m asking where you and Black Forrest are getting the "conservatives want a civil war" thing from?

[Organized States]

You can't just make up stats.

It's not 50% but a solid 30%+ believe civil war is likely in the near future.

One in four Americans believe the Sun goes around the Earth

Americans believe a lot of things. It doesn't make them true or plausible.

[Thermodolia]

Fascinating. Why are the conservatives so desperate to start another war in this country?

Therm is a socialist fyi

Funny how everyone forgets that. And hell im not even advocating for a civil war but saying that one will happen

[San Lumen]

Then we just don't do anything.

The National Security Infrastructure is designed specifically to be completely useless without legal orders. We just continue on with business as usual. You're making mountains out of molehills. We don't act independently. That's just not how we're built.

But if the president ignores the orders of the Supreme Court, or packs the court with people who just allow him to trample the constitution and do as he pleases, who is supposed to stop him?

Congress would have to alter the Judiciary Act first.

Your coup obsession is quite disturbing.

That has literally nothing to do with a damn coup. Read the context dude. If the military doesn’t do anything or breaks up during a civil war then there is nothing that will stop random militias from taking parts of the US

There isn't going to be a civil war nor will militias take over anywhere. Your being beyond ridiculous.

[Post War America]

What are the Boogaloo Boys?

It’s this random group of (usually unemployed) people who want a second civil war, but no one really takes them seriously

That’s not important though, I’m asking where you and Black Forrest are getting the "conservatives want a civil war" thing from?

There are plenty around. Its doubtful that they have real power at this juncture, but pretending that there aren't any conservatives that actively want a civil war is silly.

[No State Here]

What are the Boogaloo Boys?

It’s this random group of (usually unemployed) people who want a second civil war, but no one really takes them seriously

That’s not important though, I’m asking where you and Black Forrest are getting the "conservatives want a civil war" thing from?

They might think Thermodalia is a conservative idk

The notion of a second civil war anytime soon is just ridiculous. I think people who say this forget what led up to the first civil war, because it was far, far more divided and the state of the country right now, while divided, doesn’t come anywhere close to the 1860s

[The Black Forrest]

Wanting a civil war that could destroy everything we hold dear about the US isn't really conservative.

If they think of it as a way to cleanse the country of ‘leftists’...

It’s kind of hard to set up an army. They will probably go the route of terrorism ala McVeigh.

[Valrifell]

You can't just make up stats.

It's not 50% but a solid 30%+ believe civil war is likely in the near future.

I did the math from Gallup's data regarding party affiliation, and it's about 35% of the country. But usually about ~1/3rd of Americans believe a lot of weird stuff, as mentioned above.

[Post War America]

That has literally nothing to do with a damn coup. Read the context dude. If the military doesn’t do anything or breaks up during a civil war then there is nothing that will stop random militias from taking parts of the US

There isn't going to be a civil war nor will militias take over anywhere. Your being beyond ridiculous.

San Lumen in 1855: There isn't going to be a Civil War and states won't actually leave the union to protect slavery. You're being beyond ridiculous.

The idea that "it can't happen here" is exactly how it happens here.

[Bienenhalde]

There isn't going to be a civil war nor will militias take over anywhere. Your being beyond ridiculous.

I would prefer that there wasn't a civil war, but we shouldn't be unreasonably optimistic.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's not 50% but a solid 30%+ believe civil war is likely in the near future.

I did the math from Gallup's data regarding party affiliation, and it's about 35% of the country.

Yeah that sounds about right honestly. I'd love to see polling on the matter again come November or so.

[No State Here]

There isn't going to be a civil war nor will militias take over anywhere. Your being beyond ridiculous.

San Lumen in 1855: There isn't going to be a Civil War and states won't actually leave the union to protect slavery. You're being beyond ridiculous.

The idea that "it can't happen here" is exactly how it happens here.

Open a history book mate

[Thermodolia]

RBG wasn’t dead and it wasn’t McConnell. I’m just telling you what I’ve been hearing. The amount of people who want McConnell dead has increased greatly.

And if McConnell gets killed before he can bring up a vote then well all hell breaks loose.

I get it it’s not fun to think about but sticking your head in the sand isn’t going to do you any good

I hate the man but i've never want to see him assassinated and I don't know anyone who would say something so evil and callous.

Because there are those who are legitimately thinking their life is in danger if another conservative gets on the court. When that happens people will either go into depression or lash out in anger. And many are leaning towards anger

[Organized States]

Then we just don't do anything.

The National Security Infrastructure is designed specifically to be completely useless without legal orders. We just continue on with business as usual. You're making mountains out of molehills. We don't act independently. That's just not how we're built.

But if the president ignores the orders of the Supreme Court, or packs the court with people who just allow him to trample the constitution and do as he pleases, who is supposed to stop him?

First off, we're not staging a coup to get rid of the President. We're not in the business of domestic politics or removing sitting US Presidents. That's not my job, nor will it ever be. My job is to hunt and kill the enemies of the United States overseas with great prejudice. With that being said, I am not allowed to follow an illegal order and any violation of the Constitution would likely be one of those illegal orders. We don't act in the absence of instruction in regards to these things.

And the Court won't be packed, Congress would have to alter the Judiciary Act and that is a whole other can of worms.

[Aureumterra]

There isn't going to be a civil war nor will militias take over anywhere. Your being beyond ridiculous.

I would prefer that there wasn't a civil war, but we shouldn't be unreasonably optimistic.

Wrong word

[The Black Forrest]

What are the Boogaloo Boys?

It’s this random group of (usually unemployed) people who want a second civil war, but no one really takes them seriously

That’s not important though, I’m asking where you and Black Forrest are getting the "conservatives want a civil war" thing from?

Ohh there was a question in your reply? Sorry don’t speak whatever that language was.....whenever I hear/read civil war 2.0 talk it tends to be coming from somebody on the right side......

Anyway.....it does seem like a tangent for this thread.....

[Thermodolia]

I don't expect a civil war. I expect whoever wins the shenanigan-fueled extralegal transition of power between november and january to establish a one party state and start a red/blue terror to deal with protracted civil unrest.
For a variety of reasons the republicans are more likely to actually succeed.

Like I said I don’t think a civil war is going to happen tomorrow or in the next year but we are on the road to one in the next 10 years

[San Lumen]

I hate the man but i've never want to see him assassinated and I don't know anyone who would say something so evil and callous.

Because there are those who are legitimately thinking their life is in danger if another conservative gets on the court. When that happens people will either go into depression or lash out in anger. And many are leaning towards anger

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Yes but assassinations are not how we do things. I would be heartbroken to hear a mayor of a major city, governor, or member of congress was assassinated.

[Post War America]

San Lumen in 1855: There isn't going to be a Civil War and states won't actually leave the union to protect slavery. You're being beyond ridiculous.

The idea that "it can't happen here" is exactly how it happens here.

Open a history book mate

I have.

It is still foolish to assume that it can't happen here. Every large hegemonic state has broken up at some point, most due to civil wars. Will it happen within 10 years? Probably not. But you can't assume that it will never happen, because that's exactly how it happens.

[Valrifell]

Because there are those who are legitimately thinking their life is in danger if another conservative gets on the court. When that happens people will either go into depression or lash out in anger. And many are leaning towards anger

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Yes but assassinations are not how we do things.

That sound you're hearing is Kennedy, Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley all rolling in their graves.

[Organized States]

I don't expect a civil war. I expect whoever wins the shenanigan-fueled extralegal transition of power between november and january to establish a one party state and start a red/blue terror to deal with protracted civil unrest.
For a variety of reasons the republicans are more likely to actually succeed.

Like I said I don’t think a civil war is going to happen tomorrow or in the next year but we are on the road to one in the next 10 years

I think you are completely misunderstanding the direction of politics in the United States.

France has a round of riots every other year. That's pretty much where we're headed.