2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Thermodolia]

And if they do that the democrats will pack the court. I hope you like your 6 new liberal justices.

Also the smart thing to do would be to hold off until after the election. That way Trump could make it an election issue that could favor him instead of throwing away everything and allowing the democrats to pack the courts or worse

It’s too much of a risk, because if Biden becomes president then we have a leftist on the court, so it’s best to get a conservative in on time

You’d still have your control over the senate after the election. It’s not like you only have two days before the new president is sworn in.

During the lame duck session they’ll ram the justice through

[Diopolis]

Would they?

I mean;


Presume for a moment that Ifreann's description is accurate.

Why would a party that disenfranchises voters and suppresses votes be screwed in future elections because of public outrage? Why would a party that is manipulating elections be screwed in said elections?

voter suppression can only go so far. If women abandoned the party if Roe was overturned they would be unable to win elections.

This is based on the supposition that there is a strong, meaningful difference between male and female support for Roe.

[San Lumen]

They would be screwed in future elections. Even a majority of Republicans support LGBT rights at this point.

The Republicans have been working for years to essentially make it illegal to vote for anyone but them. People who protest against the GOP abortion ban will be arrested, charged with some contrived felony like illegally camping, and lose the right to vote.

Now your being completely absurd

[Thermodolia]

Democrats need to stop playing nice and expand the court to at least 11 justices.

And then the GOP will expand it to 23 and undo everything you did. What then?

They’d have to win the senate first though.

The democrats are in position to hold the senate for at least 8 maybe 10 years. In that time they need to ram down everything including a few things that make it a lot harder for republicans to win.

It’s time the democrats stopped following the rules and do what the republicans do and say fuck it it’s pig time

[Estanglia]

Would they?

I mean;


Presume for a moment that Ifreann's description is accurate.

Why would a party that disenfranchises voters and suppresses votes be screwed in future elections because of public outrage? Why would a party that is manipulating elections be screwed in said elections?

voter suppression can only go so far. If women abandoned the party if Roe was overturned they would be unable to win elections. LGBT people already vote overwhelmingly Democrat.

That presumes they would.

Americans have two main choices: Republican and Democrat. If the Democrats look to be further away from your position (or you believe that the Democrats would be worse for your country), your only meaningful choice is Republican. If you agree with the Republicans on most things other than abortion, there's a good chance you'll vote Republican.

I don't know if Roe is enough to make Republican women go en masse to the Democrats, but it might not be.

[Thermodolia]

Do you think about the positions of your Lt. Governor?

Yeah, I do. I like to be aware of who can potentially take office and what they believe.

Tbh right now I wish my Governor would keel over as the Lt is actually a really good solid middle of the road guy. I might be biased because I’ve met him before on more than one occasion but the guy is pretty good

[No State Here]

I never understood why it’s taboo to criticize people just because they died, Ginsburg was easily one of the worst justices of all time, she had no respect for the constitutionally sanctioned right to bear arms, and tried time and time again to undermine the fundamental rights of all Americans to own guns

[Northern Davincia]

voter suppression can only go so far. If women abandoned the party if Roe was overturned they would be unable to win elections.

This is based on the supposition that there is a strong, meaningful difference between male and female support for Roe.

Additionally, Roe would only be overruled if the court ignored precedent in favor of constitutional accuracy, because Roe is one of the most contrived cases ever.

[Thermodolia]

voter suppression can only go so far. If women abandoned the party if Roe was overturned they would be unable to win elections. LGBT people already vote overwhelmingly Democrat.

That presumes they would.

Americans have two main choices: Republican and Democrat. If the Democrats look to be further away from your position (or you believe that the Democrats would be worse for your country), your only meaningful choice is Republican. If you agree with the Republicans on most things other than abortion, there's a good chance you'll vote Republican.

I don't know if Roe is enough to make Republican women go en masse to the Democrats, but it might not be.

It sure hasn’t stopped Collins, Romney, and Murkowski

Also Trump has now said to vote without delay. He’s going to be handing the senate to the democrats in return for the court. My dad thinks this is the dumbest move

[Ifreann]

The Republicans have been working for years to essentially make it illegal to vote for anyone but them. People who protest against the GOP abortion ban will be arrested, charged with some contrived felony like illegally camping, and lose the right to vote.

Now your being completely absurd

Tennessee Governor Bill Lee signs a law making illegal camping a felony.

Most notably, the new law now states that those who illegally camp on state property would now face a Class E felony, punishable by up to six years in prison, rather than a misdemeanor. Felony convictions in Tennessee result in the revocation of an individual’s right to vote.

[Thermodolia]

I never understood why it’s taboo to criticize people just because they died, Ginsburg was easily one of the worst justices of all time, she had no respect for the constitutionally sanctioned right to bear arms, and tried time and time again to undermine the fundamental rights of all Americans to own guns

She was also incredibly selfish as she didn’t resign under Obama after he asked her to because she feared that Obama wouldn’t appoint someone as liberal as her

[Washington Resistance Army]

That presumes they would.

Americans have two main choices: Republican and Democrat. If the Democrats look to be further away from your position (or you believe that the Democrats would be worse for your country), your only meaningful choice is Republican. If you agree with the Republicans on most things other than abortion, there's a good chance you'll vote Republican.

I don't know if Roe is enough to make Republican women go en masse to the Democrats, but it might not be.

It sure hasn’t stopped Collins, Romney, and Murkowski

Also Trump has now said to vote without delay. He’s going to be handing the senate to the democrats in return for the court. My dad thinks this is the dumbest move

It's not. This is a long term win, and one I'm quite excited for. This potential possibility is the only reason I viewed Trump as preferable to Clinton.

[Thermodolia]

Now your being completely absurd

Tennessee Governor Bill Lee signs a law making illegal camping a felony.

Most notably, the new law now states that those who illegally camp on state property would now face a Class E felony, punishable by up to six years in prison, rather than a misdemeanor. Felony convictions in Tennessee result in the revocation of an individual’s right to vote.

I’m quite glad that having a felony conviction doesn’t remove your right to vote here in Georgia. We might be bad but we aren’t evil

[San Lumen]

Do you think about the positions of your Lt. Governor?

Yeah, I do. I like to be aware of who can potentially take office and what they believe.

Your likely in the minority. I know nothing about our lt Governor other than who she is. I met her once.

[Vassenor]

I never understood why it’s taboo to criticize people just because they died, Ginsburg was easily one of the worst justices of all time, she had no respect for the constitutionally sanctioned right to bear arms, and tried time and time again to undermine the fundamental rights of all Americans to own guns

The one track mind strikes again.

[No State Here]

I never understood why it’s taboo to criticize people just because they died, Ginsburg was easily one of the worst justices of all time, she had no respect for the constitutionally sanctioned right to bear arms, and tried time and time again to undermine the fundamental rights of all Americans to own guns

She was also incredibly selfish as she didn’t resign under Obama after he asked her to because she feared that Obama wouldn’t appoint someone as liberal as her

"Liberal"

Very liberal to deny Americans constitutionally sanctioned rights

[San Lumen]

It sure hasn’t stopped Collins, Romney, and Murkowski

Also Trump has now said to vote without delay. He’s going to be handing the senate to the democrats in return for the court. My dad thinks this is the dumbest move

It's not. This is a long term win, and one I'm quite excited for. This potential possibility is the only reason I viewed Trump as preferable to Clinton.

How nice that you don’t care about the possibility of Lgbt rights being revoked or returning to back alley abortions

[Estanglia]

That presumes they would.

Americans have two main choices: Republican and Democrat. If the Democrats look to be further away from your position (or you believe that the Democrats would be worse for your country), your only meaningful choice is Republican. If you agree with the Republicans on most things other than abortion, there's a good chance you'll vote Republican.

I don't know if Roe is enough to make Republican women go en masse to the Democrats, but it might not be.

It sure hasn’t stopped Collins, Romney, and Murkowski

Also Trump has now said to vote without delay. He’s going to be handing the senate to the democrats in return for the court. My dad thinks this is the dumbest move

I don't know if he will be handing over the senate tbh.

That's mainly because Trump has had controversy after controversy after controversy and there's still a good chunk of people who will go out and defend his bullshit. I don't see why this issue will change any of those people's minds.

He's had so many controversies and still has support that I don't think he could do anything to lose support anymore.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's not. This is a long term win, and one I'm quite excited for. This potential possibility is the only reason I viewed Trump as preferable to Clinton.

How nice that you don’t care about the possibility of Lgbt rights being revoked or returning to back alley abortions

In the American political system it's impossible to support everyones rights as they're inherently a partisan topic and divided along such lines. Thus, it is preferable to put oneself first.

[Thermodolia]

It sure hasn’t stopped Collins, Romney, and Murkowski

Also Trump has now said to vote without delay. He’s going to be handing the senate to the democrats in return for the court. My dad thinks this is the dumbest move

It's not. This is a long term win, and one I'm quite excited for. This potential possibility is the only reason I viewed Trump as preferable to Clinton.

Ya but my dad is a hardcore Trumpist who’s now seriously worried that Trump is going to lose in a landslide as once the post is filed a lot of conservatives won’t have a reason to vote for Trump.

His reasoning is that Trump should hold off until the election to do it and then ram the justice through if he loses as it would give everyone, in his mind, a reason to vote for Trump.

[Estanglia]

It's not. This is a long term win, and one I'm quite excited for. This potential possibility is the only reason I viewed Trump as preferable to Clinton.

How nice that you don’t care about the possibility of Lgbt rights being revoked or returning to back alley abortions

Considering how partisan America is, it's pretty much a "pick your rights" situation.

[San Lumen]

It's not. This is a long term win, and one I'm quite excited for. This potential possibility is the only reason I viewed Trump as preferable to Clinton.

Ya but my dad is a hardcore Trumpist who’s now seriously worried that Trump is going to lose in a landslide as once the post is filed a lot of conservatives won’t have a reason to vote for Trump.

His reasoning is that Trump should hold off until the election to do it and then ram the justice through if he loses as it would give everyone, in his mind, a reason to vote for Trump.

Trump is incapable of thinking long term like that.

[Diopolis]

This is based on the supposition that there is a strong, meaningful difference between male and female support for Roe.

Additionally, Roe would only be overruled if the court ignored precedent in favor of constitutional accuracy, because Roe is one of the most contrived cases ever.

My gut tells me the next supreme court justice will be Tom Cotton, who'll ignore both constitutional accuracy and precedent in favor of partisan preconceptions.

[Vassenor]

She was also incredibly selfish as she didn’t resign under Obama after he asked her to because she feared that Obama wouldn’t appoint someone as liberal as her

"Liberal"

Very liberal to deny Americans constitutionally sanctioned rights

You mean like the right to not be discriminated against in marriage?

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's not. This is a long term win, and one I'm quite excited for. This potential possibility is the only reason I viewed Trump as preferable to Clinton.

Ya but my dad is a hardcore Trumpist who’s now seriously worried that Trump is going to lose in a landslide as once the post is filed a lot of conservatives won’t have a reason to vote for Trump.

His reasoning is that Trump should hold off until the election to do it and then ram the justice through if he loses as it would give everyone, in his mind, a reason to vote for Trump.

That would put the GOP on a dangerously small timeframe and the chance of not being able to get the new Justice in would rise massively. Politically it's much better to do it now imo.