2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Greater Miami Shores]

So Murkowski and Romney are hopefully no votes. If they schedule the appointment in December and if Mark Kelly wins, that's 50 no votes. If Pence is tiebreaker, all hell is gonna break loose.

McConnell is going to ram it through in the next week. He’s not waiting until the election let alone December

I hope so, according to my political views, of course not yours, Awesome.

[Rusozak]

McConnell is going to ram it through in the next week. He’s not waiting until the election let alone December

I hope so, according to my political views, of course not yours, Awesome.

Being on the same side as Mitch McConnell isn't a brag.

[Liriena]

I hope so, according to my political views, of course not yours, Awesome.

Being on the same side as Mitch McConnell isn't a brag.

Ever

[Kowani]

Being on the same side as Mitch McConnell isn't a brag.

Ever

something something you have your opinions I have mine as a proud Republican conservative

[San Lumen]

McConnell is going to ram it through in the next week. He’s not waiting until the election let alone December

I hope so, according to my political views, of course not yours, Awesome.

same old canned answers. Get a new line. Have you noticed people are tired of your tune?

[Thermodolia]

Ever

something something you have your opinions I have mine as a proud Republican conservative

GMS is that you?

[The Black Forrest]

I hope so, according to my political views, of course not yours, Awesome.

same old canned answers. Get a new line. Have you noticed people are tired of your tune?

Every time you reply; a kitten dies.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

same old canned answers. Get a new line. Have you noticed people are tired of your tune?

Every time you reply; a kitten dies.

How many kittens are you up to now?

[San Lumen]

Every time you reply; a kitten dies.

How many kittens are you up to now?

No we can't have that.

[The Black Forrest]

Every time you reply; a kitten dies.

How many kittens are you up to now?

Enough to have me imprisoned

[Borderlands of Rojava]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... 20%251%24s

Trump back at it again with the racism and accusing his opponent of being anti American. But lemme guess, calling his fans racist is somehow not Kosher.

[Northern Davincia]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-minnesota.amp#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Trump back at it again with the racism and accusing his opponent of being anti American. But lemme guess, calling his fans racist is somehow not Kosher.

It's xenophobic, but not racist.

[San Lumen]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-minnesota.amp#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Trump back at it again with the racism and accusing his opponent of being anti American. But lemme guess, calling his fans racist is somehow not Kosher.

Xenophobic and racist, talk like that will not win him the state. There is not enough rural vote to counteract the twin cities region, iron range which is where Duluth is and other trending bout cities.

[Uiiop]

Do we have any data for republican donation numbers in the aftermath of RBG's death?

[Kowani]

Do we have any data for republican donation numbers in the aftermath of RBG's death?

Does anyone actually use winred?

[Blargoblarg]

Since Biden helped get conservative justices Scalia and Thomas onto the Supreme Court back when he was a senator, I still see no reason to believe any future SC picks he might make if he wins would be good.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Since Biden helped get conservative justices Scalia and Thomas onto the Supreme Court back when he was a senator, I still see no reason to believe any future SC picks he might make if he wins would be good.

As hard as it might be to fathom now back in Biden's day Supreme Court picks weren't bitterly partisan things. Most nominees up until Thomas had a pretty easy time getting through no matter what.

[Organized States]

Since Biden helped get conservative justices Scalia and Thomas onto the Supreme Court back when he was a senator, I still see no reason to believe any future SC picks he might make if he wins would be good.

As hard as it might be to fathom now back in Biden's day Supreme Court picks weren't bitterly partisan things. Most nominees up until Thomas had a pretty easy time getting through no matter what.

Back when we treated the Court as the entity it should be.

[Kowani]

As hard as it might be to fathom now back in Biden's day Supreme Court picks weren't bitterly partisan things. Most nominees up until Thomas had a pretty easy time getting through no matter what.

Back when we treated the Court as the entity it should be.

laughs in Merrick Garland

[Picairn]

Since Biden helped get conservative justices Scalia and Thomas onto the Supreme Court back when he was a senator, I still see no reason to believe any future SC picks he might make if he wins would be good.

In the 80s and 90s, the Democrats were supportive of tough on crime, balanced budgets, stronger borders, etc.

Time has changed. The Democratic Party now is significantly more progressive, and has elected Progressives into power (AOC, Ilhan Omar, etc.) Biden had to flow with the tide, and changed a lot of his old beliefs. I believe he would nominate more Progressive judges under pressure from Democrats, whether he likes it or not.

[Major-Tom]

Since Biden helped get conservative justices Scalia and Thomas onto the Supreme Court back when he was a senator, I still see no reason to believe any future SC picks he might make if he wins would be good.

Times change, candidates change. Simple as that. Trump used to be a Democrat, we don't see him supporting universal healthcare or pro-choice policies like he used to, do we?

[Major-Tom]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-minnesota.amp#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Trump back at it again with the racism and accusing his opponent of being anti American. But lemme guess, calling his fans racist is somehow not Kosher.

It's xenophobic, but not racist.

Short of Trump dropping the N-word at the debate, I feel like there's nothing that can be done to convince half the country that he is, in fact, a committed racist.

[United States of Devonta]

The chances have increased, certainly, not least because I don't think I'm alone in saying that this signifies, for many on the left, the end of any hope or faith they may have still had in governmental institutions now that SCOTUS is well and truly Conservative and will remain so. Ideas like packing the court will now become mainstream in liberal circles out of sheer desperation.

My defeatism is at an all time high.

Still voting Green? Biden's pick would be a much better option

[Nobel Hobos 2]

As hard as it might be to fathom now back in Biden's day Supreme Court picks weren't bitterly partisan things. Most nominees up until Thomas had a pretty easy time getting through no matter what.

Back when we treated the Court as the entity it should be.

I'm not that strong on American history before Kennedy, but looking at all the nominations most of them are suspect of political bias. Because the Presidency and the Senate are held by the same party.

Eisenhower's 4 are exceptions (confirmed by Democrats). Nixon 4 (likewise, with another 2 rejected). Reagan 3, GHWB 2.

That wasn't bipartisanship exactly. The President is supposed to nominate and the Senate is supposed to confirm/reject, regardless of which party has the power (until Garland ...) but a hostile Senate surely influences the President's choices. With Reagan we see Rehnquist and Scalia when the Senate was red. But Kennedy when it was Blue. And Garland was seen as too centrist (or even right) by Democrats, to tempt the Senate to cut its losses instead of gambling everything on the election seven months away.

To me it seems that historically SCOTUS appointments were partisan, as for some reason the Senate majority and Presidency used to coincide often. Then in the more modern era (since Eisenhower say), those powers being split between parties more often forced Presidents to nominate moderates sometimes, but in a reaction to that, appoint highly partisan justices when possible (ie, their party holds the Senate).

The current era, since the constitutional crisis of Obama/Garland/McConnell, is too brief to be sure there is a pattern yet. But I don't think the appointment process being political is at all new. I think the public is a lot more aware of it, and is shocked to "see the sausage being made". And it has become a lot starker since the end of the filibuster on appointments: that ended the 'forced bipartisanship' and in 2016 made refusing to hold hearings at all a more attractive option for McConnell than risking a few defections to confirm Garland ... he wouldn't have any worries about that if 2/3 was still required. You can only say that's a pattern if you can predict what happens next!

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Back when we treated the Court as the entity it should be.

laughs in Merrick Garland

Some thought he was too right-wing, but probably only in contrast to the strongly left-wing appointment they would prefer.

That was a compromise with the Republican Senate and it might well have worked if McConnell hadn't shut the door.

Garland was a political choice!