2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Kowani]

Affidavit irregularities


It would break the façade of strength. Nationalism isn’t an ideology, it’s a theatre production.

Nah. The best nationalists would have defeated COVID because it makes their nation look better and stronger when they are COVID free

The best nationalists would never have been elected.

[Liriena]

Nah. The best nationalists would have defeated COVID because it makes their nation look better and stronger when they are COVID free

The best nationalists would never have been elected.

Tbh, I am kinda curious to see what a Sinn Féin COVID-19 response would look like.

[Kowani]

True. I mean they fall generally on the 'left' but I would describe them as more centre. To be fair his argument still works, given that many probably see SocDems as being leftist anyway, although not as often on here.

That brings up another point, the concepts of "left" and "right" are outdated and make no sense in modern political contexts

An example, Italian fascism, generally considered far-right, is a revolutionary ideology calling for massive societal change

Absolute monarchism, also considered far-right, is the opposite of a revolutionary ideology and calls for a return to tradition

Anarcho capitalism, yet another "fair-right" ideology calls for radical libertarianism without government intervention

Yeah, 'cause the unifying theme in all of those is hierarchy. Left/right aren't determined by their desire for change or lack thereof, it's about hierarchy vs egalitarianism.

[San Lumen]

Where we talking about running for office? No. we were talking about you calling for election officials to ignore courts and being unable to understand statistics and population density.

Didn't say any of that now your just being twisted.

You absolutely did. You said the court was wrong and election officials should ignore the decision and print the ballots with the Greens on it.

You also said WI Dems should just try harder to win. Are you going to deny your own words?

[Aureumterra]

That brings up another point, the concepts of "left" and "right" are outdated and make no sense in modern political contexts

An example, Italian fascism, generally considered far-right, is a revolutionary ideology calling for massive societal change

Absolute monarchism, also considered far-right, is the opposite of a revolutionary ideology and calls for a return to tradition

Anarcho capitalism, yet another "fair-right" ideology calls for radical libertarianism without government intervention

Yeah, 'cause the unifying theme in all of those is hierarchy. Left/right aren't determined by their desire for change or lack thereof, it's about hierarchy vs egalitarianism.

The tricky part comes with ancap, and egoism, since neither specifically support hierarchy (in fact they’re opposed to it) yet are still considered right wing

[Nuroblav]

That brings up another point, the concepts of "left" and "right" are outdated and make no sense in modern political contexts

An example, Italian fascism, generally considered far-right, is a revolutionary ideology calling for massive societal change

Absolute monarchism, also considered far-right, is the opposite of a revolutionary ideology and calls for a return to tradition

Anarcho capitalism, yet another "fair-right" ideology calls for radical libertarianism without government intervention

Indeed. I'd say politics is more like a vast pool of connected ideas; more of a network than one long line or a massive square or cube or whatever. No denying that political ideologies end up being connected in some way, but categorising into monolithic 'left' and 'right' doesn't work well, especially given that - as you pointed out - many of the more extreme ones on each side still can have many different views.

[Dresderstan]

Didn't say any of that now your just being twisted.

You absolutely did. You said the court was wrong and election officials should ignore the decision and print the ballots with the Greens on it.

You also said WI Dems should just try harder to win. Are you going to deny your own words?

Are you going to ignore you calls for a revolution in Belarus and think we shouldn't have one ourselves?

[San Lumen]

You absolutely did. You said the court was wrong and election officials should ignore the decision and print the ballots with the Greens on it.

You also said WI Dems should just try harder to win. Are you going to deny your own words?

Are you going to ignore you calls for a revolution in Belarus and think we shouldn't have one ourselves?

Belarus isn't the topic. Did you miss where I told you to start one?

[Dresderstan]

Are you going to ignore you calls for a revolution in Belarus and think we shouldn't have one ourselves?

Belarus isn't the topic. Did you miss where I told you to start one?

And did you miss where I told you to go to Belarus to start one before I do?

[Kowani]

Yeah, 'cause the unifying theme in all of those is hierarchy. Left/right aren't determined by their desire for change or lack thereof, it's about hierarchy vs egalitarianism.

The tricky part comes with ancap, and egoism, since neither specifically support hierarchy (in fact they’re opposed to it) yet are still considered right wing

AnCaps definitely support hierarchy. Capitalism is a hierarchical system by default. They're just opposed to a legally enforced, rigid social classes hierarchy. (In theory, they want a meritocracy, in practice no.)

...Who considers egoism to be right-wing?

[San Lumen]

Belarus isn't the topic. Did you miss where I told you to start one?

And did you miss where I told you to go to Belarus to start one before I do?

Why are you dodging and refuse to address your own words about wanting election officials to be in contempt of court? How are you also unable to grasp simply concepts like statistics and population density?

[Dominioan]

That brings up another point, the concepts of "left" and "right" are outdated and make no sense in modern political contexts

An example, Italian fascism, generally considered far-right, is a revolutionary ideology calling for massive societal change

Absolute monarchism, also considered far-right, is the opposite of a revolutionary ideology and calls for a return to tradition

Anarcho capitalism, yet another "fair-right" ideology calls for radical libertarianism without government intervention

Indeed. I'd say politics is more like a vast pool of connected ideas; more of a network than one long line or a massive square or cube or whatever. No denying that political ideologies end up being connected in some way, but categorising into monolithic 'left' and 'right' doesn't work well, especially given that - as you pointed out - many of the more extreme ones on each side still can have many different views.

Humans like to put things in nice and orderly boxes.

[Dresderstan]

And did you miss where I told you to go to Belarus to start one before I do?

Why are you dodging and refuse to address your own words about wanting election officials to be in contempt of court? How are you also unable to grasp simply concepts like statistics and population density?

Because I want corrupt officials ousted is bad now?

No I am able to grasp it, the problem is your explanation is shite and ridiculous.

[San Lumen]

Why are you dodging and refuse to address your own words about wanting election officials to be in contempt of court? How are you also unable to grasp simply concepts like statistics and population density?

Because I want corrupt officials ousted is bad now?

No I am able to grasp it, the problem is your explanation is shite and ridiculous.

Who do you want ousted? You do that by voting.

My explanation isn't shite at all. You simply can't grasp it or chose not to and would rather give obtuse comments like try harder or a farm matters more than someone in Philadelphia and therefore they deserve more representation.

[Dresderstan]

Because I want corrupt officials ousted is bad now?

No I am able to grasp it, the problem is your explanation is shite and ridiculous.

Who do you want ousted? You do that by voting.

My explanation isn't shite at all. You simply can't grasp it or chose not to and would rather give obtuse comments like try harder or a farm matters more than someone in Philadelphia and therefore they deserve more representation.

That would require a majority of people to be smart enough to agree with me, most aren't.

Then maybe Democrats should rack up votes in safe seats where they are guarenteed a win or in seats where they are running unopposed and actually try. You can't complain about me saying try harder when you tell us to run for office, move somewhere else if you hate it, or get rid of someone by simply voting.

[San Lumen]

Who do you want ousted? You do that by voting.

My explanation isn't shite at all. You simply can't grasp it or chose not to and would rather give obtuse comments like try harder or a farm matters more than someone in Philadelphia and therefore they deserve more representation.

That would require a majority of people to be smart enough to agree with me, most aren't.

Then maybe Democrats should rack up votes in safe seats where they are guarenteed a win or in seats where they are running unopposed and actually try. You can't complain about me saying try harder when you tell us to run for office, move somewhere else if you hate it, or get rid of someone by simply voting.

even if they ran someone in every seat in Wisconsin they would have to win the popular vote twenty points to get a majority of seats. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

[Dresderstan]

That would require a majority of people to be smart enough to agree with me, most aren't.

Then maybe Democrats should rack up votes in safe seats where they are guarenteed a win or in seats where they are running unopposed and actually try. You can't complain about me saying try harder when you tell us to run for office, move somewhere else if you hate it, or get rid of someone by simply voting.

even if they ran someone in every seat in Wisconsin they would have to win the popular vote twenty points to get a majority of seats. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Why is it so hard for you to understand the problem is the electoral system and we need PR?

[San Lumen]

even if they ran someone in every seat in Wisconsin they would have to win the popular vote twenty points to get a majority of seats. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Why is it so hard for you to understand the problem is the electoral system and we need PR?

The only way that will happen is via a constitutional amendment as districts are enshrined in the constitution.

[Dresderstan]

Why is it so hard for you to understand the problem is the electoral system and we need PR?

The only way that will happen is via a constitutional amendment as districts are enshrined in the constitution.

As if any of the two parties will go for any reform that weakens their own power and forces them to compromise with other smaller parties. Like in Canada the word "coalition" is poison to both the parties none of them will go for it, the only way is force them to do it by any and all means necessary.

[San Lumen]

The only way that will happen is via a constitutional amendment as districts are enshrined in the constitution.

As if any of the two parties will go for any reform that weakens their own power and forces them to compromise with other smaller parties. Like in Canada the word "coalition" is poison to both the parties none of them will go for it, the only way is force them to do it by any and all means necessary.

So go ahead and do this any means necessary.

[Dresderstan]

As if any of the two parties will go for any reform that weakens their own power and forces them to compromise with other smaller parties. Like in Canada the word "coalition" is poison to both the parties none of them will go for it, the only way is force them to do it by any and all means necessary.

So go ahead and do this any means necessary.

When you go to Belarus and depose Lukashenko by any means necessary.

[San Lumen]

So go ahead and do this any means necessary.

When you go to Belarus and depose Lukashenko by any means necessary.

Why do you keep bringing up Belarus? Its seems your being obtuse on purpose.

[Dresderstan]

When you go to Belarus and depose Lukashenko by any means necessary.

Why do you keep bringing up Belarus? Its seems your being obtuse on purpose.

Because you seem to believe there should be a revolution in Belarus and believe that people shouldn't revolt here at all.

[San Lumen]

Why do you keep bringing up Belarus? Its seems your being obtuse on purpose.

Because you seem to believe there should be a revolution in Belarus and believe that people shouldn't revolt here at all.

I didn't say that. I told you to do it.

[Dresderstan]

Because you seem to believe there should be a revolution in Belarus and believe that people shouldn't revolt here at all.

I didn't say that. I told you to do it.

So then why aren't you go to Belarus and start one there? It's only fair.