2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Cannot think of a name]

What leads you to this conclusion?

Watching polling and reading the news.

He could snatch MI and AZ quite easily, at which point he needs just one of the following;
WI, PA, FL, OH. Pennsylvania seems like the most likely choice there, I suspect the other three will still go for Trump.

MI is possible, PA, is possible, AZ is a solid maybe. I don't see Biden winning WI, FL, or OH.

I hope you are right and Trump wins the election, as he deserves too, according to my Political views. I know and I understand you support Biden, and there is nothing wrong with it, it is called Democracy in America the USA. I respect your rights to think differently than I do, this respect is not earned, it is given and it exists, as I keep posting to many leftists in American terms on these threads.

I'll see you on the streets when America collapses, GMS!
Although it is unlikely you will recognize me, or vice versa.

What are you basing this on?

Polling. The discrepancy between Biden's support and Trump's disapproval has been my most-watched statistic since April; I said (privately) back then that if oppose-Trump-but-don't-support-Biden-yet crowd mostly swings for candidate <x> then candidate <x> is sure to win. The moderates are all in Biden's camp now, but that wasn't the group of people I describe. Biden isn't winning the anti-Trump republican vote.
More recent polling has shown that as the number of undecideds decreases, the additional percentage points are nearly exclusively going to Trump. That isn't a trend that can easily be reversed, and if Biden can't reverse it he is guaranteed a loss in November.

I don’t suppose you could point to these polls that show this trend?

[Cisairse]

Joe Biden seems like he’s pretty gullible and/or easily manipulated, similar to Trump. A Biden presidency may be sculpted by his cabinet, Veep, and others behind the scenes rather than Biden himself

I think it’s highly likely he serves one term and endorses Harris to be his successor. The president to decline a second term was Lyndon Johnson in 1968.

That's not true; Lyndon Johnson lost the 1968 primary. He very much wanted a second full term and tried to get one.

If you exclude Truman (who served 1.99 terms), the last president to actively not seek a second term was Calvin Coolidge, who served from 1923 to 1929.

[Valrifell]

Polling has been showing Biden with a steady lead in Wisconsin

It doesn't really matter what the lead is, it matters what the votes are. Biden's lead isn't big enough to overcome the massive voter suppression campaign that is being waged against Democratic areas. In some states, like MI and PA, that lead is big enough. In WI, it isn't, and isn't likely to be.

Biden's lead in PA is smaller (or about the same) than that in WI, though.

[San Lumen]

Polling has been showing Biden with a steady lead in Wisconsin

It doesn't really matter what the lead is, it matters what the votes are. Biden's lead isn't big enough to overcome the massive voter suppression campaign that is being waged against Democratic areas. In some states, like MI and PA, that lead is big enough. In WI, it isn't, and isn't likely to be.

If turnout in Milwaukee and Madison is high enough Biden will win. Officials in Milwaukee are expecting more votes than 2008. Its hard to see Trump winning the state if that occurs.

[San Lumen]

I think it’s highly likely he serves one term and endorses Harris to be his successor. The president to decline a second term was Lyndon Johnson in 1968.

That's not true; Lyndon Johnson lost the 1968 primary. He very much wanted a second full term and tried to get one.

If you exclude Truman (who served 1.99 terms), the last president to actively not seek a second term was Calvin Coolidge, who served from 1923 to 1929.

He did not lose the primary. He declined to run after losing several primaries.

His speech in 1968. No sitting president has ever lost a primary. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOs7BjZrgqY

[Thermodolia]

Trump is almost certain to win Ohio. Florida has been trending towards Trump recently, and it's always been a toss up, so that's probably Trump as well.
If we assume Trump performs at the top of his margin of error- which was, after all, the scenario in 2016, where Trump consistently performed at the top of his margin of error- then Arizona, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania are easily within reach, but Michigan is not.

Far more importantly than any of that, Ohio and Florida have Trump-faction governors who are not likely to oppose the dismantling of the USPS in urban areas of their state.

Or, in other words, Ohio and Florida have governors who are not likely to allow Democrats to vote.

Um the governor of Ohio isn’t a fan of Trump. He’s more in line with Romney and Co than Trump

[Aureumterra]

At last it has been achieved...

To be fair if you sat people from each corner and persuaded them not to talk about economics, you could probably find we would agree on some things. But mind you, that's very very hard to do.

I wish that were true, but if the four corners cannot even agree about the nature of reality, let alone the human condition, how are we going to agree on anything politics? Right now there are two incompatible visions for the US.

I think the real divide is between Antidisestablishmentarian Status Quo -- politics as usual (whereever it takes us); and the Disestablishmentarians (with the myriad of factions wanting to transform the country into something other than the two-party rational administrative state governing what they see as a once free nation). The former will favor Biden and the latter will favor Trump no matter how much either side finds their candidate flawed. Biden if the vehicle for America to continue down its Fabian Socialist path to a Progressivist Nation, and Trump is the vehicle for America to avoid/remand that outcome for a short time.

Pretty sure he was referring to librights and liblefts

[Aureumterra]

At last it has been achieved...

To be fair if you sat people from each corner and persuaded them not to talk about economics, you could probably find we would agree on some things. But mind you, that's very very hard to do.

I wish that were true, but if the four corners cannot even agree about the nature of reality, let alone the human condition, how are we going to agree on anything politics? Right now there are two incompatible visions for the US.

I think the real divide is between Antidisestablishmentarian Status Quo -- politics as usual (whereever it takes us); and the Disestablishmentarians (with the myriad of factions wanting to transform the country into something other than the two-party rational administrative state governing what they see as a once free nation). The former will favor Biden and the latter will favor Trump no matter how much either side finds their candidate flawed. Biden if the vehicle for America to continue down its Fabian Socialist path to a Progressivist Nation, and Trump is the vehicle for America to avoid/remand that outcome for a short time.

Pretty sure he was referring to librights and liblefts

[Cannot think of a name]

Another hidden gem in Trumps Town Hall. When someone asked him what he would do about police violence, his answer was to give them even less accountability so they could beat up protesters.

[Shrillland]

Meanwhile, in Tennessee, the Democrats are requesting an early voting location be moved after the current venue's proved to be a Trump memorabilia shop: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2020-store-occupying-early-184522957.html

They're afraid of possible voter intimidation.

[Cannot think of a name]

Meanwhile, in Tennessee, the Democrats are requesting an early voting location be moved after the current venue's proved to be a Trump memorabilia shop: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2020-store-occupying-early-184522957.html

They're afraid of possible voter intimidation.

Good grief.

[Kannap]

Oppressing democracy to save it.

George Orwell would be proud.

I think even Orwell would be terrified.

Glad you agree Greens should be on the Wisconsin ballot.

[Cisairse]

That's not true; Lyndon Johnson lost the 1968 primary. He very much wanted a second full term and tried to get one.

If you exclude Truman (who served 1.99 terms), the last president to actively not seek a second term was Calvin Coolidge, who served from 1923 to 1929.

He did not lose the primary. He declined to run after losing several primaries.

His speech in 1968. No sitting president has ever lost a primary. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOs7BjZrgqY

"Ending your presidential campaign after losing several primaries" is, generally, referred to as "losing,"

[San Lumen]

He did not lose the primary. He declined to run after losing several primaries.

His speech in 1968. No sitting president has ever lost a primary. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOs7BjZrgqY

"Ending your presidential campaign after losing several primaries" is, generally, referred to as "losing,"

Yes but he didn't;t officially lose the primary. He dropped out. There is a difference.

[Valrifell]

"Ending your presidential campaign after losing several primaries" is, generally, referred to as "losing,"

Yes but he didn't;t officially lose the primary. He dropped out. There is a difference.

You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.

[No State Here]

Right and left libertarian unity?!

At last it has been achieved...

To be fair if you sat people from each corner and persuaded them not to talk about economics, you could probably find we would agree on some things. But mind you, that's very very hard to do.

Many things agreed on

Like authoritarian government are bad, guns are good, Democrats and Republicans both suck, etc.

[Kannap]

"Ending your presidential campaign after losing several primaries" is, generally, referred to as "losing,"

Yes but he didn't;t officially lose the primary. He dropped out. There is a difference.

Sounds like a loser to me.

[Solvokina]

At last it has been achieved...

To be fair if you sat people from each corner and persuaded them not to talk about economics, you could probably find we would agree on some things. But mind you, that's very very hard to do.

Many things agreed on

Like authoritarian government are bad, guns are good, Democrats and Republicans both suck, etc.

Guns good, dictatorship good, one-party state good

[Solvokina]

I think even Orwell would be terrified.

Glad you agree Greens should be on the Wisconsin ballot.

Or greens can fuck off with their false shit. I still wonder who unironically votes greens to this day

[Washington Resistance Army]

Glad you agree Greens should be on the Wisconsin ballot.

Or greens can fuck off with their false shit. I still wonder who unironically votes greens to this day

At least a few hundred thousand peoples usually.

[Solvokina]

Or greens can fuck off with their false shit. I still wonder who unironically votes greens to this day

At least a few hundred thousand peoples usually.

Greens don't help the environment, the peoples rights, liberties to firearms or the economy. USA needs a Labour party like here in Australia where its actually a Left-Wing party based on workers rights and not a false one about Neo-Liberalism and "Progressivism"

[Necroghastia]

At least a few hundred thousand peoples usually.

Greens don't help the environment, the peoples rights, liberties to firearms or the economy. USA needs a Labour party like here in Australia where its actually a Left-Wing party based on workers rights and not a false one about Neo-Liberalism and "Progressivism"

lmfao you're really gonna pretend to give a damn about peoples' rights and liberties after praising dictatorships and one-party states? pull the other one my dude

[Solvokina]

Greens don't help the environment, the peoples rights, liberties to firearms or the economy. USA needs a Labour party like here in Australia where its actually a Left-Wing party based on workers rights and not a false one about Neo-Liberalism and "Progressivism"

lmfao you're really gonna pretend to give a damn about peoples' rights and liberties after praising dictatorships and one-party states? pull the other one my dude

Democracy is a sham that can violate right while a dictatorship if benevolent can be praised e.g Tito. At this point politically under a dictatorship can work and give rights to people unless you are a Totaliatrian like Stalin or Hitler

[Borderlands of Rojava]

lmfao you're really gonna pretend to give a damn about peoples' rights and liberties after praising dictatorships and one-party states? pull the other one my dude

Democracy is a sham that can violate right while a dictatorship if benevolent can be praised. e.g Tito

I forgot you were our denizen Yugoslav for a second.

[Solvokina]

Democracy is a sham that can violate right while a dictatorship if benevolent can be praised. e.g Tito

I forgot you were our denizen Yugoslav for a second.

Do not forget I'm your local Yugo-Australian who loves guns and hates Neo-Liberalism