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2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:06 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:B - No, there you have it, but I support USA, USA, USA.

But I support the USA liberating other nations like Venezuela, Nicaragua and my native Cuba from eternal dictatorship governments like the ones I posted.


Well Cuba of course. Did you ever answer my question about whether you have visited Cuba as an adult?
Venezuela, uh huh. Nothing suspicious about invading the only country in South America with lots of oil
Nicaragua. Well that does surprise me. The US has liberated them before you know, kept 'em liberated for 20 years.

It wouldn't be something about finishing the good work of dear old Reagan would it?

(Hint: do not say Yes. GOP line is "Reagan knew nothing")

We can discuss and argue on Cuba, Batista, Communist Socialist Nicaragua, Bernie, USA and other related issues in great details, on my next anti Cuban government regime thread, at the appropriate time when Cuba is in the news, so it will not be a threadjack for any of us. But you all know my broken record answers anyway, and you all don't like them anyway. I think you and any of you would not like to live in Cuba as average Cuban citizens. I said I think, but I will never tell you on any issues I am right and you are wrong, not even on Cuba my pet issue on NS for obvious reasons, as a native Cuban and American citizen.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:11 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
I'm not saying Castro was a dick, but now, the country is at peace, why disturb that peace? Why harm innocent civilians to change a progressing society?

You all would not like it if your nation s native government expropriated your homes and businesses, while the privileged communist socialist elite live like rich upper class capitalists, like these Pics prove:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=844667


I'm not talking about then, I am talking about now.
You are talking about sending thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of US soldiers to fight and die in a costly war with Cuba, who have been a peaceful country for several decades. Why should the citizens of Cuba of today suffer and perish for what happened half a century ago?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/516730-quinnipiac-poll-shows-graham-harrison-tied-in-south-carolina-senate-race

New Quinnipiac Poll has the South Carolina senate election tied at 48 percent for each candidate and Trump only up 51-45. If Trump is doing that badly in SC its hard to see how he gets a second term.

6% is about what Trump won Georgia in 2016 by.

If that holds there’s no way Georgia remains red

What brings you to that conclusion?

if you say there if it holds do you think its also highly possible Ossoff prevails against Perdue outright?

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Postby Zurkerx » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:16 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/516730-quinnipiac-poll-shows-graham-harrison-tied-in-south-carolina-senate-race

New Quinnipiac Poll has the South Carolina senate election tied at 48 percent for each candidate and Trump only up 51-45. If Trump is doing that badly in SC its hard to see how he gets a second term.

6% is about what Trump won Georgia in 2016 by.

If that holds there’s no way Georgia remains red


5% points actually though what I find more impressive is that Harrison is tied with Graham. That's certainly better than McGrath, who trails McConnell by 12 points: 53% to 41%. But Collins is in trouble: her opponent, Gideon, leads 54% to 42%.

As for the Presidential Races, Kentucky we won't talk about- that's going Red, but we will talk about Maine's 2nd District: Biden leads Trump 53% to 44%; Maine's 1st District it's 64% to 32% and Statewide, it's 59% to 38%. But back to the Second District: if Biden can win, which I think he can take the District given the rank choice voting now employed, then that would certainly be an upset.

All of this comes from a Quinnipiac Poll (B+ Rated).
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:18 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:6% is about what Trump won Georgia in 2016 by.

If that holds there’s no way Georgia remains red


5% points actually though what I find more impressive is that Harrison is tied with Graham. That's certainly better than McGrath, who trails McConnell by 12 points: 53% to 41%. But Collins is in trouble: her opponent, Gideon, leads 54% to 42%.

As for the Presidential Races, Kentucky we won't talk about- that's going Red, but we will talk about Maine's 2nd District: Biden leads Trump 53% to 44%; Maine's 1st District it's 64% to 32% and Statewide, it's 59% to 38%. But back to the Second District: if Biden can win, which I think he can take the District given the rank choice voting now employed, then that would certainly be an upset.

All of this comes from a Quinnipiac Poll (B+ Rated).

I agree. Graham isn't very popular and Collins is hated. I think at this point a landslide is looking more and more likely and Trump's fraud claims will have little merit.

The Quinnipiac poll also has Biden at 59-38 in Maine which means he would get all its electoral votes.

Plus perhaps South Carolina could surprise us and Biden wins it but ts unlikely.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:6% is about what Trump won Georgia in 2016 by.

If that holds there’s no way Georgia remains red

What brings you to that conclusion?

Georgia and SC are politically and demographically close. If Trump is down that much in SC he’s going to have trouble in Georgia which isn’t as nearly republican as SC.

if you say there if it holds do you think its also highly possible Ossoff prevails against Perdue outright?

Ossoff is already leading by 1-2 points over Perdue. He needs just 2 more points to win it outright which is very possible. So if these numbers hold or get better for Biden then ossoff will be senator
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:28 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What brings you to that conclusion?

Georgia and SC are politically and demographically close. If Trump is down that much in SC he’s going to have trouble in Georgia which isn’t as nearly republican as SC.

if you say there if it holds do you think its also highly possible Ossoff prevails against Perdue outright?

Ossoff is already leading by 1-2 points over Perdue. He needs just 2 more points to win it outright which is very possible. So if these numbers hold or get better for Biden then ossoff will be senator

That makes sense. It would be nice to get a sizable Senate majority this year and if Democrats gain the senate its unlikely they lose it as the 2022 map is inverse of 2018 and only one or possibly two seats held by Democrats is likely competitive.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:31 pm

This is that guy I was talking about earlier, watching Trump lose a vote in real time.
A Black pastor who confronted President Donald Trump over the slogan "Make America Great Again" and what that means for the Black community at a town hall said Wednesday he "wasn't satisfied at all" with the President's response.

During ABC News' town hall with the President, Pastor Carl Day of Philadelphia asked Trump if he was aware of "how tone deaf" the "MAGA" slogan is to the Black community and "when has America been great for African Americans in the ghetto of America?"
Visit CNN's Election Center for full coverage of the 2020 race

Trump, who rarely puts himself in a situation to be challenged by voters who aren't his supporters, replied that "six or seven months from now" was the "best single moment in the history of the African American people in this country." The President also claimed that Black Americans had the highest rates of home ownership, which is not true, and the "best employment numbers" under his administration before the coronavirus pandemic hit the US.

On Wednesday, Day called Trump's answer "laughable" and said it showed how Trump and others haven't "journeyed through these inner cities of America" and been on the ground, talking to the people in these communities.

"This is one of the reasons why so many people, especially African Americans voters, in these communities are really feeling voiceless, really feeling as if they're not sure if their vote matters at the end of the day, because there's no plan there," Day told CNN's John Berman on "New Day."

"And to see a President fail to acknowledge racism all together, and even that we have a race issue, and also fail to really point to how the urban inner city where African Americans live actually isn't experiencing any greatness, that's very troubling."

Day identified himself Tuesday at the town hall as an undecided voter in the 2020 election, and he supported Green Party candidate Jill Stein in 2016.

He told CNN he's "undecided" because he has yet to hear either presidential candidate -- Trump or Democratic nominee Joe Biden -- "explicitly explain" or lay out a "viable plan" of how they would help Black Americans in inner cities.


He wasn’t the only participant unimpressed by Trump’s answers.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:This is that guy I was talking about earlier, watching Trump lose a vote in real time.
A Black pastor who confronted President Donald Trump over the slogan "Make America Great Again" and what that means for the Black community at a town hall said Wednesday he "wasn't satisfied at all" with the President's response.

During ABC News' town hall with the President, Pastor Carl Day of Philadelphia asked Trump if he was aware of "how tone deaf" the "MAGA" slogan is to the Black community and "when has America been great for African Americans in the ghetto of America?"
Visit CNN's Election Center for full coverage of the 2020 race

Trump, who rarely puts himself in a situation to be challenged by voters who aren't his supporters, replied that "six or seven months from now" was the "best single moment in the history of the African American people in this country." The President also claimed that Black Americans had the highest rates of home ownership, which is not true, and the "best employment numbers" under his administration before the coronavirus pandemic hit the US.

On Wednesday, Day called Trump's answer "laughable" and said it showed how Trump and others haven't "journeyed through these inner cities of America" and been on the ground, talking to the people in these communities.

"This is one of the reasons why so many people, especially African Americans voters, in these communities are really feeling voiceless, really feeling as if they're not sure if their vote matters at the end of the day, because there's no plan there," Day told CNN's John Berman on "New Day."

"And to see a President fail to acknowledge racism all together, and even that we have a race issue, and also fail to really point to how the urban inner city where African Americans live actually isn't experiencing any greatness, that's very troubling."

Day identified himself Tuesday at the town hall as an undecided voter in the 2020 election, and he supported Green Party candidate Jill Stein in 2016.

He told CNN he's "undecided" because he has yet to hear either presidential candidate -- Trump or Democratic nominee Joe Biden -- "explicitly explain" or lay out a "viable plan" of how they would help Black Americans in inner cities.


He wasn’t the only participant unimpressed by Trump’s answers.


Turns out that when people don't throw softball questions at Trump, all he does is look like a dumbass and fail to give real answers.
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Oppressing democracy to save it.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:47 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
No State Here wrote:Daily dose of random political memes


Oppressing democracy to save it.

George Orwell would be proud.


I think even Orwell would be terrified.

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So how did the party conspire to block them from the ballot?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:50 pm

Vassenor wrote:
No State Here wrote:Daily dose of random political memes


So how did the party conspire to block them from the ballot?

They didn't. They didnt follow the rules therefore they are not the on the ballot. That simple.

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I support Biden because Trump is out of his league now. Dealing with Healthcare? More like only the ecomony he's focusing on

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Idk what world Biden represents democracy in. Did Joe Biden ask those Iraqis he had viciously murdered to democratically vote on whether their country should be preemptively attacked cause I must have missed that one.
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No State Here wrote:Daily dose of random political memes

The US government once again never ceases to amaze me :p
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Cannot think of a name wrote:This is that guy I was talking about earlier, watching Trump lose a vote in real time.
A Black pastor who confronted President Donald Trump over the slogan "Make America Great Again" and what that means for the Black community at a town hall said Wednesday he "wasn't satisfied at all" with the President's response.

During ABC News' town hall with the President, Pastor Carl Day of Philadelphia asked Trump if he was aware of "how tone deaf" the "MAGA" slogan is to the Black community and "when has America been great for African Americans in the ghetto of America?"
Visit CNN's Election Center for full coverage of the 2020 race

Trump, who rarely puts himself in a situation to be challenged by voters who aren't his supporters, replied that "six or seven months from now" was the "best single moment in the history of the African American people in this country." The President also claimed that Black Americans had the highest rates of home ownership, which is not true, and the "best employment numbers" under his administration before the coronavirus pandemic hit the US.

On Wednesday, Day called Trump's answer "laughable" and said it showed how Trump and others haven't "journeyed through these inner cities of America" and been on the ground, talking to the people in these communities.

"This is one of the reasons why so many people, especially African Americans voters, in these communities are really feeling voiceless, really feeling as if they're not sure if their vote matters at the end of the day, because there's no plan there," Day told CNN's John Berman on "New Day."

"And to see a President fail to acknowledge racism all together, and even that we have a race issue, and also fail to really point to how the urban inner city where African Americans live actually isn't experiencing any greatness, that's very troubling."

Day identified himself Tuesday at the town hall as an undecided voter in the 2020 election, and he supported Green Party candidate Jill Stein in 2016.

He told CNN he's "undecided" because he has yet to hear either presidential candidate -- Trump or Democratic nominee Joe Biden -- "explicitly explain" or lay out a "viable plan" of how they would help Black Americans in inner cities.


He wasn’t the only participant unimpressed by Trump’s answers.


I do love how Trump tried to blame Biden for implementing a mandatory mask mandate, despite the fact that 1.) Biden has been out of office since 2017, and 2.) COVID-19 didn't exist at that time:

The president often stumbled through his responses, offering blatantly false information to the voters. For example, he suggested it was former Vice President Joe Biden's responsibility to implement a national mask mandate. But the Democratic presidential nominee has not been in government since January 2017, and the coronavirus outbreak began less than a year ago.

"A good question is you ask, like, Joe Biden. They said, 'We're going to do a national mandate on masks,'" Trump said. "But he didn't do it. I mean, he never did it."


It's even worst by the fact that the average voter can ask fucking harder questions than journalists at Fox News. He's royally fucked when the second debate comes around.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:


Turns out that when people don't throw softball questions at Trump, all he does is look like a dumbass and fail to give real answers.


Oh, but to Trump supporters, including some in my family, he gave an answer that was either distorted or it was a downright "ambush" orchestrated by Democrats. Yeah, you can't make this stuff up. Hell, even Biden can do better, and that man tends to stumble at times or gaffes.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:59 pm

"I'm not mad, I'm disappointed" Biden is giving remarks on Covid-19. So far just how shitty a job Trump has done, then the stuff Trump said he wouldn't do even though medical experts say we should.
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Aureumterra wrote:Right and left libertarian unity?!

At last it has been achieved...

To be fair if you sat people from each corner and persuaded them not to talk about economics, you could probably find we would agree on some things. But mind you, that's very very hard to do.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:02 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
It's even worst by the fact that the average voter can ask fucking harder questions than journalists at Fox News. He's royally fucked when the second debate comes around.


First. This was an unopposed town hall and he lost against himself.
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"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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