2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[No State Here]

DeSantis has been the only Republican governor so far to take action against climate change, expand social security, along with strengthening border security. I was, and still somewhat am, quite optimistic about him, because he’s an effective third positions. You can see this trend increasing among the newer generation of Republicans, including Josh Hawley, whose economic policy is more and more interventionist and not "let capitalism do whatever the fuck including leaving starving people on the streets." Unfortunately his coronavirus response has been extremely shitty, which will definitely work against him

I’m actually optimistic for the future of the GOP if these trends continue. Once the Trumpets wave ends, I hope we see the newer ones abandoning the free market capitalist disaster that the Reageners started

If this is true than that’s unfortunate, economically leftist social conservatives don’t exactly have the best history…

Economically leftist… socialist
Socially conservative… nationalist

National socialists

The GOP is turning into the Nazis confirmed

[Aureumterra]

imagine thinking china's communist lmfao

The Chinese Communist Party, led by Mao Zedong, caused the cultural revolution and my family would have been killed too if my grandfather hadn’t fled with my dad

"nOt rEAl cOmUniZM"

[Shrillland]

All right, now for some of our final primary projections from Delaware:

GOP DE-Senate: James DeMartino
Dem DE-Senate: Chris Coons
Dem DE-Governor: John Carney
GOP DE-At-large: Lee Murphy

[Liriena]

I hope you’re joking, because if you’re not I invite you to take a trip to China or Cuba, or ask someone who lived through Mao’s cultural revolution or Fidel Castro’s brutality for firsthand accounts. If you search, you may even find a few old people who lived under Stalin in Russia. If you want modern examples, google any North Korean escapees.

imagine thinking china's communist lmfao

Communism is when a state-capitalist regime that's spent decades scaling down its welfare state and land collectivization willingly becomes the main manufacturing base of all the major capitalist powers and then sets up a bunch of capitalist businesses of its own to compete with those capitalist powers in the free market.

[Shrillland]

I hope you’re joking, because if you’re not I invite you to take a trip to China or Cuba, or ask someone who lived through Mao’s cultural revolution or Fidel Castro’s brutality for firsthand accounts. If you search, you may even find a few old people who lived under Stalin in Russia. If you want modern examples, google any North Korean escapees.

For how bad capitalism supposedly is, it sure is strange people risk all they have to escape to capitalist countries, but never the other way around

My go-to response to Castro apologists is always "Why do Cubans risk their lives to come to the US?"

Actually, they increasingly don't. A lot of them now go to Canada.

[Liriena]

imagine thinking china's communist lmfao

The Chinese Communist Party, led by Mao Zedong, caused the cultural revolution and my family would have been killed too if my grandfather hadn’t fled with my dad

Your grandfather did the right thing. The cultural revolution was an idiotic atrocity, like much of what Mao did. You're not going to find a lot of avowed, sincere Maoists here... or in mainland China, for that matter.

[No State Here]

For how bad capitalism supposedly is, it sure is strange people risk all they have to escape to capitalist countries, but never the other way around

My go-to response to Castro apologists is always "Why do Cubans risk their lives to come to the US?"

Actually, they increasingly don't. A lot of them now go to Canada.

Distinction without a difference to my point

[San Lumen]

All right, now for some of our final primary projections from Delaware:

GOP DE-Senate: James DeMartino
Dem DE-Senate: Chris Coons
Dem DE-Governor: John Carney
GOP DE-At-large: Lee Murphy

Where are you getting these results?

[Shrillland]

All right, now for some of our final primary projections from Delaware:

GOP DE-Senate: James DeMartino
Dem DE-Senate: Chris Coons
Dem DE-Governor: John Carney
GOP DE-At-large: Lee Murphy

Where are you getting these results?

Politico, like always.https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/delaware/

[Post War America]

Actually, they increasingly don't. A lot of them now go to Canada.

Distinction without a difference to my point

I mean, Americans going and living in China is a thing. Hell if you want to actually make money as a TEFL instructor sans Post-Grad education, and you're not a British or Irish, China's probably you're best bet. Also not unheard of is people immigrating from poor capitalist countries to communist countries, what with the comparatively large population of people from central and south asia moving to China being a thing, even with general Chinese hostility towards immigration.

[Aureumterra]

For how bad capitalism supposedly is, it sure is strange people risk all they have to escape to capitalist countries, but never the other way around

My go-to response to Castro apologists is always "Why do Cubans risk their lives to come to the US?"

Actually, they increasingly don't. A lot of them now go to Canada.

Does that invalidate the argument? People are fleeing Cuba, that alone is enough to refute Castro apologists

[Post War America]

Actually, they increasingly don't. A lot of them now go to Canada.

Does that invalidate the argument? People are fleeing Cuba, that alone is enough to refute Castro apologists

Most Castro apologists aren't claiming that Cuba is some sort of utopian society. They're saying its not literally hell on Earth. Given that plenty of people from free market capitalist states are also fleeing to the US and other developed nations there might be some other cause at play.

[Liriena]

Actually, they increasingly don't. A lot of them now go to Canada.

Does that invalidate the argument? People are fleeing Cuba, that alone is enough to refute Castro apologists

How is that a refutation, though? That's emigration. Emigration, even in the particularly desperate form it takes with Cuban refugees, is not a phenomenon unique to Castro's Cuba or Marxist-Leninist governments in general.

If we accepted that argument, I could just as well claim that the people who fled South America in the 70s are a refutation of every "conservative apologist" or "libertarian apologist", since they were fleeing the countries ruled by dictatorships which implemented the economic policies espoused by neocons and people like Milton Friedman.

[Major-Tom]

Where are you getting these results?

Politico, like always.https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/delaware/

Expected Scarane to get at least 30, 40% of the vote. That's a blow to the progressive movement.

[Major-Tom]

Fair point.

Keeping the topic on Florida, it appears that Biden is losing key support among the large and very diverse Florida Latino community, specifically in the Miami-Dade area where Cuban-Americans, a historically Republican bloc, seem to be on the GOP side at some of the highest rates since the Elian Gonzales scandal decades ago.

This spells trouble for Biden.

Breaking news: People don’t like communist regimes! What a shocker!

Hahaha, Biden isn't a communist, but you knew that. It's a reflection of Obama's policy, he tried to loosen the embargo with Cuba, it did NOT go over well with Cuban-Americans (which, I find to be super foolish, he's not commending him, he's just trying to normalize relations but whatever).

[Post War America]

Breaking news: People don’t like communist regimes! What a shocker!

Hahaha, Biden isn't a communist, but you knew that.

Yeah but anything other than a hardline bowing to invade Cuba stance is considered apologia these days.

[Major-Tom]

Hahaha, Biden isn't a communist, but you knew that.

Yeah but anything other than a hardline bowing to invade Cuba stance is considered apologia these days.

For 99% of Americans, it's not. Cuban-Americans, as someone noted, the older generation at least, is single-issue as fuck (and that 1% here). Clinton was able to garner their support until Reno and Elian Gonzales came into the fold. A lot of Cuban-Americans are for greater healthcare expansion, social program expansion etc, but the second a Dem touches the Cuba issue, they fall in line for the GOP.

I still stand by it, that is 100% why Gore lost Florida, he flip-flopped on Elian Gonzales and lost thousands of Floridan Cubans who were initially sympathetic to him.

[San Lumen]

Politico, like always.https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/delaware/

Expected Scarane to get at least 30, 40% of the vote. That's a blow to the progressive movement.

Coons is quite popular.

[Major-Tom]

Expected Scarane to get at least 30, 40% of the vote. That's a blow to the progressive movement.

Coons is quite popular.

I have no real opinion of him, just surprised is all.

[Shrillland]

OK, I was wrong about DemArtino in Delaware...but since no Republican can win anywhere there...I'll just say that's the night and the 2020 primary cycle. For my next trick, I'll be heading to Canada and the Southern Hemisphere...but that's in their respective threads.

[No State Here]

Breaking news: People don’t like communist regimes! What a shocker!

Hahaha, Biden isn't a communist, but you knew that. It's a reflection of Obama's policy, he tried to loosen the embargo with Cuba, it did NOT go over well with Cuban-Americans (which, I find to be super foolish, he's not commending him, he's just trying to normalize relations but whatever).

Did anyone say he is?

[Major-Tom]

Hahaha, Biden isn't a communist, but you knew that. It's a reflection of Obama's policy, he tried to loosen the embargo with Cuba, it did NOT go over well with Cuban-Americans (which, I find to be super foolish, he's not commending him, he's just trying to normalize relations but whatever).

Did anyone say he is?

Did you not imply it? I mean, if I say "Biden is unpopular with Cubans" and you say "it's because Cubans hate communism," what exactly can I infer?

[No State Here]

Did anyone say he is?

Did you not imply it? I mean, if I say "Biden is unpopular with Cubans" and you say "it's because Cubans hate communism," what exactly can I infer?

They hate Castro and Cuba’s government?

It would be an insult to my intelligence to call Biden a communist

[San Lumen]

Coons is quite popular.

I have no real opinion of him, just surprised is all.

According to the Wilmington News Journal his opponent Lauren Witzke is a Qanon supporter. It seems Republicans can’t help themselves from nominating crazy people

https://mobile.twitter.com/willsommer/s ... 1863002%2F

[Solvokina]

Did someone say communism?