2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Liriena]

Trump Holds Nevada Peaceful Protest:

A campaign rally is not a protest. It may actually be the ideological opposite of a protest.

1 - Have any of you Leftists and anti Trump Persons ever been biased?

You know what? No. I am, in fact, the least biased person alive.

2 - Are you Leftists and anti Trump Persons always unbiased?

Always. 24/7. From dawn till dusk. I was born unbiased and have dedicated my life to cultivating the most pristine, unbiased mindset.

11:50 PM: Trump says it is “pathetic” that Biden wants to give free health care to illegal aliens, which he says will bankrupt Medicare.

That's a lie.

There is no evidence showing Biden saying that U.S. taxpayers have an obligation to provide health care for undocumented immigrants, beyond the emergency treatment they are already eligible for under federal law. His proposals for dealing with the issue involve allowing access to a public option, which, under his plan, is not taxpayer subsidized. The evidence addresses what he, or his team, have stated, not with the feasibility of such a plan.

And, from an unbiased perspective, I will say that I find it very cringe that Biden doesn't support giving all immigrants free public healthcare. You're in the middle of a pandemic and immigrants can get and transmit COVID-19 just as easily as citizens do.

He also says the people who control Biden “love sanctuary cities.

Good. Sanctuary cities are objectively good. And I can say that, because I'm perfectly unbiased.

[Blargoblarg]

25% in U.S. Say Neither Candidate Would Be a Good President

Only 25%? Hmm, surprising. Guess it will be another "best of a bad situation" selection playing a part in who wins.

I was also surprised the number is that low. And I'm hoping a good chunk of those 25% will vote for third party candidates this election.

[The Black Forrest]

"Reliable to Republicans" does not mean it's factual. When you follow the news, the point is to have sources with factual information and little bias.

So reliable to Democrats and anti Trump Persons does not mean it is factual, it works both ways, in Politics everything works both ways.

If they are not factual, by all means point it out.

I will not hold my breath.

[Greater Miami Shores]

So reliable to Democrats and anti Trump Persons does not mean it is factual, it works both ways, in Politics everything works both ways.

Yes, and your point is?

I cant believe you are asking me this question, the only reason I asked those questions is because the Democrats and anti Trump Persons keep saying I am always wrong, and they are always right. Keep saying I am biased, but they never say they are wrong, and they never say they are biased, so they must be unbiased all the time, according to them.

I am going to do the regional Poll opened to all nations and share it with all my fellow nations as soon as possible I invite you to vote on the Poll, invite them to vote on the Poll.

As I am allowed to do.

I cant believe you don't see they do this too me all the time.

[The Black Forrest]

Yes, and your point is?

I cant believe you are asking me this question, the only reason I asked those questions is because the Democrats and anti Trump Persons keep saying I am always wrong, and they are always right. Keep saying I am biased, but they never say they are wrong, and they never say they are biased, so they must be unbiased all of the time, according to them.

I am going to do the regional Poll opened to all nations and share it with all my fellow nations as soon as possible. I invite you to vote on the Poll, invite them to vote on the Poll.

I cant believe you don't see they do this too me all the time.

You didn’t answer the question.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I cant believe you are asking me this question, the only reason I asked those questions is because the Democrats and anti Trump Persons keep saying I am always wrong, and they are always right. Keep saying I am biased, but they never say they are wrong, and they never say they are biased, so they must be unbiased all of the time, according to them.

I am going to do the regional Poll opened to all nations and share it with all my fellow nations as soon as possible. I invite you to vote on the Poll, invite them to vote on the Poll.

I cant believe you don't see they do this too me all the time.

You didn’t answer the question.

Your question was very week worded, and you did not answer my questions, so why should I answer your poorly worded question.

[The Black Forrest]

You didn’t answer the question.

Your question was very week worded, and you did not answer my questions, so why should I answer your poorly worded question.

I didn’t ask the question. You should answer the other person. Or else continue your pattern of being without honor.

[Cordel One]

Yes, and your point is?

I cant believe you are asking me this question, the only reason I asked those questions is because the Democrats and anti Trump Persons keep saying I am always wrong, and they are always right. Keep saying I am biased, but they never say they are wrong, and they never say they are biased, so they must be unbiased all the time, according to them.

I am going to do the regional Poll opened to all nations and share it with all my fellow nations as soon as possible I invite you to vote on the Poll, invite them to vote on the Poll.

As I am allowed to do.

I cant believe you don't see they do this too me all the time.

The existence of Democrats who follow and believe fake news does not justify doing so, nor does it justify believing lies. No one that I've seen are pretending they're without biases, but a few of them are frustrated with the fact you're not bothering finding unbiased sources.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Your question was very week worded, and you did not answer my questions, so why should I answer your poorly worded question.

I didn’t ask the question. You should answer the other person. Or else continue your pattern of being without honor.

To all of you:
Amazing I cant get through too you. I don't care what you all think of me, and what you all say of me, it only strengthens me in my desire to see President Trump reelected as he deserves to be reelected, according to my Political views, and of those who agree with me. So keep posting the personal and political insults
as long as they are not actionable, as I don't like to see any fellow nation banned from NS forever, which we all love.

This is what you all don't understand, amazing.

I am a Proud Republican supporter of President Donald J Trump with Honor and Pride, according to my Political and social views and of those who agree with me, no matter what your views and facts are, according to you, and their is nothing wrong with it.

Just like you all support Biden and the Democrats, for whatever reasons you do, and their is nothing wrong with it.

It is called Democracy in America, the USA.

I think we all need to respect this, myself included, this respect is not earned, it is given and it exists.

I think we all need to learn respect for other persons different, economic, political and social views, this respect is not earned, it is given and it exists.

I think we all need to learn respect for other persons rights to think differently than we do, this respect is not earned, it is given and it exists.

It does not mean you like and respect the person personally, it means you respect their rights to their different, economic, political and social views, without any kind of personal and political insults, actionable and non actionable. It means you respect their rights to think differently than you do, without any personal and political insults, actionable and non actionable.

At the Trump Campaign Rally I attended Saturday and Posted about and shared with all my fellow nations, as I am allowed to do. As I Posted.

I went towards the 2 Democrat ladies in front of the Trump Park Rally, with my Trump Flag and said to them, I respect your rights to think differently than I do, and I respect your rights to support Biden with your signs, the way you are doing right here, right now.

The 2 Democrat ladies were very impressed and said thank you for your comments. This respect is not earned it is given, and it exists. I am Proud to have done so, and I will do it again every time I go to a Trump campaign rally.

We are all Political Junkies on NS, if not we would not be here with our nations, factbooks, dispatches and laws and Pics.

This is why I don't want to see any fellow nation banned from NS forever, which we all love.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

To best make that point, I think it is useful to remember that the terms are different. When Republicans talk about "voter fraud" they are specifically NOT talking about electoral fraud (disqualifying voters, purging the roll, limiting voting access in some areas, gerrymandering), only the small amount of fraud we know is committed by VOTERS.

So instead of appearing to whatabout their alleged problem, voter fraud, address that first and alone. Get a figure for how much they claim is actually happening. This has to come first, because there's no way they'll put a figure on it after you've shown them the much bigger figure of people denied their vote by electoral fraud.

And if it proves too big a problem for them to comprehend or acknowledge, or they're effective with a "Democrats do it too" argument, then at least something has been established: voter fraud barely happens at all, and can't be used to justify extending ID requirements.

I was actually talking about cases of Republicans committing voter fraud. As in, Republicans charged with actual voter fraud.

Namely:
Kansas Republican Rep. Steve Watkins charged with voter fraud

Seems to be voter fraud, but with other charges which seem more serious.

North Carolina Republican operative charged in election fraud scheme

This seems to fall in both categories. Seems like he was organizing others to commit voter fraud, but being in possession of absentee ballots means the possibility he was going to commit voter fraud in person.

The distinction matters. Republicans pretend the only kind of fraud is multiple voting by individuals, and voting by disqualified people, because that suits their agenda of making it harder for the poor and minorities to vote.

As you know, most election fraud is perpetrated by people in power. The greatest distortions of the vote are introduced deliberately by state legislatures, which may not seem like a lot of power compared to Federal, but it is awesomely more than the power of an individual voter. The criminal you bring attention to should be seen as one of them, since his role allowed him to "organize" fraud by other individuals.

Meet the Trump Fan Accused of Registering Democrats as Republicans

What a pathetic case. Some Democrats might have been kept from voting in primaries. Unless Hall's bungling messed up their addresses making them ineligible to vote? ... I doubt she would have taken this risk if she knew that re-registering Democrats as Republicans doesn't mean they'll vote for Trump.

Though she seems to have been an individual committing fraud of her own volition, I'm still inclined to find this "not voter fraud". Rather it's the absolute low end of electoral fraud. She's using a power granted to her by the Republican Party (I guess) to enter false information into the voter roll.

Remember, I want to keep the definition of "voter fraud" right where Republicans put it. Individual people casting illegal votes. We must not allow voter fraud and election fraud to get co-mingled or else we would become complicit in Republican attempts to take away individual voting rights. And the two problems are distinct: systemic distortion of the vote can't be addressed by any law regulating voters, since it's done by authorities.

The US needs another Voting Rights Act. State power to mess with the vote (even for Federal office) belongs in the trash. States do not deserve powers they do not need, and repeatedly abuse.

[Ifreann]

Recall elections undermine the ability of a governor to lead. Leading the people and the government, as opposed to just following them, involves (a) doing unpopular things like raising taxes, the benefits of which only come through a year or more later, and (b) doing unpopular things in the interest of only part of the Party base, to be balanced by more popular things from the mainstream of the party, hopefully coming out ahead with the people

Governments should be able to take risks, and do things they know will be unpopular, or else none of their actions will follow a long term plan. Rule by opinion poll has a name, it's "populism" ... and I thought you were a Progressive?

very well said. The same goes for mayors and state legislators. How can you have a long term plan if you constantly have to worry about a recall election?

Because you don't want the people (demo-) to have the power (-cracy). You want the government to have the power and the people to have strictly limited ability to influence who is in the government.

You don't get a do over election because you don't like who won or what they do in office. Vote them out election or better yet get off your butt run yourself next time. Run for city council or mayor or state legislator.

You're not contradicting me, you're just repeating yourself.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The amount of layers of irony in trump calling his fans peaceful protesters isn't lost on me. Not only is he ironically saying that because he's pushing the myth that a majority of BLM protests are actually violent, but trump rallies actually can be often dangerous events, whether in the form of people physically getting their ass kicked, or the fact that trump rallies nowadays are usually a harbinger of a spike in covid cases and deaths.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

very well said. The same goes for mayors and state legislators. How can you have a long term plan if you constantly have to worry about a recall election?



You don't get a do over election because you don't like who won or what they do in office. Vote them out election or better yet get off your butt run yourself next time. Run for city council or mayor or state legislator.

You're not contradicting me, you're just repeating yourself.

A fixed term of government is a strict limit on the power of the people to change government by election.

So a less strict limit would suit you better? One recall per office, per year let's say?

Or is that still too strict. Let 15% of the voters call for an election as often as technology allows. Once a day at first, but improving to once an hour. But maybe we should have some non-voting hours, to allow people some sleep? And work, and recreation. Let's put some sensible limit like once a day after all.

Except Sundays, because of religious objections. And Mondays, because no government would be able to survive Monday.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The amount of layers of irony in trump calling his fans peaceful protesters isn't lost on me. Not only is he ironically saying that because he's pushing the myth that a majority of BLM protests are actually violent, but trump rallies actually can be often dangerous events, whether in the form of people physically getting their ass kicked, or the fact that trump rallies nowadays are usually a harbinger of a spike in covid cases and deaths.

His supporters are protesting against Leftist propaganda ... ie opinion polls.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The amount of layers of irony in trump calling his fans peaceful protesters isn't lost on me. Not only is he ironically saying that because he's pushing the myth that a majority of BLM protests are actually violent, but trump rallies actually can be often dangerous events, whether in the form of people physically getting their ass kicked, or the fact that trump rallies nowadays are usually a harbinger of a spike in covid cases and deaths.

His supporters are protesting against Leftist propaganda ... ie opinion polls.

"Anything that doesn't portray trump in a good light is leftist commie propoganda formented by Obunga. Anything that makes Trump out to be a hero is true."

-A majority of Trump's fans

[Greater Miami Shores]

His supporters are protesting against Leftist propaganda ... ie opinion polls.

"Anything that doesn't portray trump in a good light is leftist commie propoganda formented by Obunga. Anything that makes Trump out to be a hero is true."

-A majority of Trump's fans

Anything the leftists Democratic Party portrays against Trump is negative anti Trump Propaganda, see it does work both ways, in Politics everything works both ways, It is called Politics and Biden and the Democrats Play it Too.

The DNC did it too Bernie Again, according to the Polls at the time, Bernie was supposed to win the Primaries, then all of a sudden all the other Democrats who strongly criticized Biden on the debates started to withdraw from the election, and endorse and praise Biden, so Biden got the nomination, and the DNC who played Politics did it to Bernie Again.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The amount of layers of irony in trump calling his fans peaceful protesters isn't lost on me. Not only is he ironically saying that because he's pushing the myth that a majority of BLM protests are actually violent, but trump rallies actually can be often dangerous events, whether in the form of people physically getting their ass kicked, or the fact that trump rallies nowadays are usually a harbinger of a spike in covid cases and deaths.

I think we should stop pretending like violence in protests is inherently bad, personally. It just seems to be a way the rich and powerful can discredit protesters and prevent a revolution. Instead of going, "No, we're not violent!" they should go "Yeah, we're violent. Because it's the only way to make you listen - and that's your fault!"

[Nobel Hobos 2]

"Anything that doesn't portray trump in a good light is leftist commie propoganda formented by Obunga. Anything that makes Trump out to be a hero is true."

-A majority of Trump's fans

Anything the leftists and anti Trump Persons post against Trump is negative anti Trump Propaganda, see it does work both ways, in Politics everything works both ways, It is called Politics and Biden and the Democrats Play it Too.

The DNC did it too Bernie Again, according to the Polls at the time, Bernie was supposed to win the Primaries, then all of a sudden all the other Democrats who strongly criticized Biden on the debates started to withdraw from the election, and endorse and praise Biden, so Biden got the nomination, and the DNC who played Politics did it to Bernie Again.

We were joking.

I don't think Bernie ever had much chance in 2016. His polls were good for a while but it was too late. There weren't enough Electors up in the remaining states that he could have won even with 70% or more (which he never got to anyway).

You seem to be talking about 2020. There is absolutely no way he was going to win that primary. He had his supporters, but the only place he could get more was from Warren, who refused to drop out. And Yang and some fringe candidates. I don't see any way he could have got equal footing with Biden by Super Tuesday. That's traditionally when the winner is obvious.

Do you think there's something unfair about candidates dropping out, when they decide they can't win? Because Republicans do it too, and if they hadn't Donald Trump would have got to the 2016 Republican Convention without a majority of delegates. Who knows what might have happened then!

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The amount of layers of irony in trump calling his fans peaceful protesters isn't lost on me. Not only is he ironically saying that because he's pushing the myth that a majority of BLM protests are actually violent, but trump rallies actually can be often dangerous events, whether in the form of people physically getting their ass kicked, or the fact that trump rallies nowadays are usually a harbinger of a spike in covid cases and deaths.

I think we should stop pretending like violence in protests is inherently bad, personally. It just seems to be a way the rich and powerful can discredit protesters and prevent a revolution. Instead of going, "No, we're not violent!" they should go "Yeah, we're violent. Because it's the only way to make you listen - and that's your fault!"

When you're violent, no-one wants to hear a word you have to say. Until you stop.

Violence has to be sustained for years or decades, before the offer to stop it has credibility.

Short of revolution, do you have examples of social movements that changed anything by violence?

[Greater Miami Shores]

Anything the leftists and anti Trump Persons post against Trump is negative anti Trump Propaganda, see it does work both ways, in Politics everything works both ways, It is called Politics and Biden and the Democrats Play it Too.

The DNC did it too Bernie Again, according to the Polls at the time, Bernie was supposed to win the Primaries, then all of a sudden all the other Democrats who strongly criticized Biden on the debates started to withdraw from the election, and endorse and praise Biden, so Biden got the nomination, and the DNC who played Politics did it to Bernie Again.

We were joking.

I don't think Bernie ever had much chance in 2016. His polls were good for a while but it was too late. There weren't enough Electors up in the remaining states that he could have won even with 70% or more (which he never got to anyway).

You seem to be talking about 2020. There is absolutely no way he was going to win that primary. He had his supporters, but the only place he could get more was from Warren, who refused to drop out. And Yang and some fringe candidates. I don't see any way he could have got equal footing with Biden by Super Tuesday. That's traditionally when the winner is obvious.

Do you think there's something unfair about candidates dropping out, when they decide they can't win? Because Republicans do it too, and if they hadn't Donald Trump would have got to the 2016 Republican Convention without a majority of delegates. Who knows what might have happened then!

My post was very clear and to the point, but it is your democratic right to strongly disagree with me and post it too me as you have done.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I think we should stop pretending like violence in protests is inherently bad, personally. It just seems to be a way the rich and powerful can discredit protesters and prevent a revolution. Instead of going, "No, we're not violent!" they should go "Yeah, we're violent. Because it's the only way to make you listen - and that's your fault!"

When you're violent, no-one wants to hear a word you have to say. Until you stop.

Violence has to be sustained for years or decades, before the offer to stop it has credibility.

Short of revolution, do you have examples of social movements that changed anything by violence?

Well that's not really fair. Most revolutions started as social movements. You're cutting the stem off an apple and asking me to point where on the apple is the stem. That's horseshit.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I attended 2 Peaceful Trump Rallies and we had Black African American supporters of President Trump, Cubans, Venezuelans and Euro Americans. I will attend the third one next Saturday.

As the broken record I am because I feel it fits the other post as well I add to my post above:

At the Trump Campaign Rally I attended Saturday and Posted about and shared with all my fellow nations, as I am allowed to do. As I Posted.

I went towards the 2 Democrat ladies in front of the Trump Park Rally, with my Trump Flag and said to them, I respect your rights to think differently than I do, and I respect your rights to support Biden with your signs, the way you are doing right here, right now.

The 2 Democrat ladies were very impressed and said thank you for your comments. This respect is not earned it is given, and it exists. I am Proud to have done so, and I will do it again every time I go to a Trump campaign rally.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

We were joking.

I don't think Bernie ever had much chance in 2016. His polls were good for a while but it was too late. There weren't enough Electors up in the remaining states that he could have won even with 70% or more (which he never got to anyway).

You seem to be talking about 2020. There is absolutely no way he was going to win that primary. He had his supporters, but the only place he could get more was from Warren, who refused to drop out. And Yang and some fringe candidates. I don't see any way he could have got equal footing with Biden by Super Tuesday. That's traditionally when the winner is obvious.

Do you think there's something unfair about candidates dropping out, when they decide they can't win? Because Republicans do it too, and if they hadn't Donald Trump would have got to the 2016 Republican Convention without a majority of delegates. Who knows what might have happened then!

My post was very clear and to the point, but it is your democratic right to strongly disagree with me and post it too me as you have done.

You have nothing to say in defense of your claim. Which I rather politely contradicted. Let's try it this way then:

The DNC did it too Bernie Again, according to the Polls at the time, Bernie was supposed to win the Primaries, then all of a sudden all the other Democrats who strongly criticized Biden on the debates started to withdraw from the election, and endorse and praise Biden, so Biden got the nomination, and the DNC who played Politics did it to Bernie Again.

What bullshit.

The polls never said Bernie was likely to win.
Other candidates dropped out because they knew they couldn't win.
It wasn't a party conspiracy, it was all candidates seeking majority support from primary voters.
And when they gave that up they endorsed the candidate they personally preferred.
That Bernie didn't get many endorsements is because few thought he could win a General election.

And why the hell are you shedding a tear for Bernie? He's WAY to the left of you.

Trump only got 44% of the primary vote in 2016. If no-one else had dropped out, he'd have got even less.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

When you're violent, no-one wants to hear a word you have to say. Until you stop.

Violence has to be sustained for years or decades, before the offer to stop it has credibility.

Short of revolution, do you have examples of social movements that changed anything by violence?

Well that's not really fair. Most revolutions started as social movements. You're cutting the stem off an apple and asking me to point where on the apple is the stem. That's horseshit.

Violence is futile unless it leads to revolution, seems to be the gist.

OK well I'm not in favor of revolution in the US any time soon. I will continue to maintain that violence at protests is inherently bad.

[San Lumen]

I attended 2 Peaceful Trump Rallies and we had Black African American supporters of President Trump, Cubans, Venezuelans and Euro Americans. I will attend the third one next Saturday.

As the broken record I am because I feel it fits the other post as well I add to my post above:

At the Trump Campaign Rally I attended Saturday and Posted about and shared with all my fellow nations, as I am allowed to do. As I Posted.

I went towards the 2 Democrat ladies in front of the Trump Park Rally, with my Trump Flag and said to them, I respect your rights to think differently than I do, and I respect your rights to support Biden with your signs, the way you are doing right here, right now.

The 2 Democrat ladies were very impressed and said thank you for your comments. This respect is not earned it is given, and it exists. I am Proud to have done so, and I will do it again every time I go to a Trump campaign rally.

Nobody cares what you did at the rally. You should not be proud to be a broken record. You don’t understand what bias is or the difference between fact and opinion and never will.