2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[The Black Forrest]

Well at least do this: if you find a fact on OANN, but that fact isn't on Fox ... don't use it.

One more thing: there are usually several ways to make an argument, and finding one that doesn't tread on a land-mind requires only that you be aware of 'suspected' facts. Knowing your opponents' idea of the facts doesn't mean you have to accept them as true facts ... it just gives you some chance of negotiating that minefield.

If I find any posts on any news sites I agree with I will use it. Just like the leftists do too.

Ah so you are not fair nor balanced.

If they are wrong? You like being wrong? If the leftist site is wrong by all means point it out.

Dude really. You cry about bias and ignore Reuters go for OANN? It really doesn’t build your case.

[South Odreria 2]

If gms isn’t balanced then how come he has both a left and right leg

[Liriena]

I'm all in for class traitor Hillary. The Prince Kropotkin of the 21st century.

If she had called for the nationalization of major industries in 2008 she would have won

Nationalization is so hot uwu

[The Black Forrest]

If gms isn’t balanced then how come he has both a left and right leg

GUARDS Take him away!!!!!

Damn I wish I had guards

[Liriena]

If gms isn’t balanced then how come he has both a left and right leg

Now I'm imagining a bizarre Dune-like science-fiction story in which a cult of neo-Trumpists in the far future chop off their left limbs to appease their golden god.

And there are sand worms, of course.

[Greater Miami Shores]

No point, folks. No point arguing with GMS anymore, he's made it clear that only his version of reality exists and that everyone else is lying. This is how nations die, but I won't go into my Cassandra-esque spiel again.

Here's my lukewarm take, tho: we may never succeed in making GMS acknowledge that Trump has ever done something wrong. However, because of the unique nature of his posting (more specifically the substance of it) he's very useful as a counterpoint to expose and criticize the foundations of Trumpism. The fact that GMS' posts when discussing Trump almost never rise above extremely bland, paper-thin platitudes and borderline religious levels of flattery for the dear leader is kind of an accidentally perfect condensation of the actual ideology at work beneath all of the actual arguments other Trumpists make within and without this forum. Assuming that there are any undecided people reading these posts, it might be a good thing for our purposes that the #1 Trump cheerleader in this thread and others is the one that does not hide his fanaticism under layers of elaborate rationalizations carefully cultivated by the more pretentious Trumpist media figures.

To all of you, my real Republican God Emperor President and Dear Leader is Republican President Ronald Reagan, at least get it right from now on, he is on my sig.

GMS.

[Liriena]

Here's my lukewarm take, tho: we may never succeed in making GMS acknowledge that Trump has ever done something wrong. However, because of the unique nature of his posting (more specifically the substance of it) he's very useful as a counterpoint to expose and criticize the foundations of Trumpism. The fact that GMS' posts when discussing Trump almost never rise above extremely bland, paper-thin platitudes and borderline religious levels of flattery for the dear leader is kind of an accidentally perfect condensation of the actual ideology at work beneath all of the actual arguments other Trumpists make within and without this forum. Assuming that there are any undecided people reading these posts, it might be a good thing for our purposes that the #1 Trump cheerleader in this thread and others is the one that does not hide his fanaticism under layers of elaborate rationalizations carefully cultivated by the more pretentious Trumpist media figures.

To all of you, my real Republican God Emperor President and Dear Leader is Republican President Ronald Reagan, at least get it right from now on, he is on my sig.

GMS.

Surprisingly, Reagan was a cunt for almost the exact same reasons as Trump... starting with how he handled his own pandemic.

[Greater Miami Shores]

To all of you, my real Republican God Emperor President and Dear Leader is Republican President Ronald Reagan, at least get it right from now on, he is on my sig.

GMS.

Surprisingly, Reagan was a cunt for almost the exact same reasons as Trump... starting with how he handled his own pandemic.

I don't use words like that C, on anyone.

[The Black Forrest]

Here's my lukewarm take, tho: we may never succeed in making GMS acknowledge that Trump has ever done something wrong. However, because of the unique nature of his posting (more specifically the substance of it) he's very useful as a counterpoint to expose and criticize the foundations of Trumpism. The fact that GMS' posts when discussing Trump almost never rise above extremely bland, paper-thin platitudes and borderline religious levels of flattery for the dear leader is kind of an accidentally perfect condensation of the actual ideology at work beneath all of the actual arguments other Trumpists make within and without this forum. Assuming that there are any undecided people reading these posts, it might be a good thing for our purposes that the #1 Trump cheerleader in this thread and others is the one that does not hide his fanaticism under layers of elaborate rationalizations carefully cultivated by the more pretentious Trumpist media figures.

To all of you, my real Republican God Emperor President and Dear Leader is Republican President Ronald Reagan, at least get it right from now on, he is on my sig.

GMS.

That’s true Reagan was special as 33 of people were indicted. Though Nixon has him beat. Heck even Trump had less people indicted for now.

How do you think Reagan would take to Trump? Especially after violating his commandment of speaking ill of other Republicans?

[Liriena]

Surprisingly, Reagan was a cunt for almost the exact same reasons as Trump... starting with how he handled his own pandemic.

I don't use words like that C, on anyone.

Thousands of people died from HIV/AIDS while he pretended it didn't exist. He was a cunt.

[The Black Forrest]

I don't use words like that C, on anyone.

Thousands of people died from HIV/AIDS while he pretended it didn't exist. He was a cunt.

True and yet he did join the fight. Trump still denies things are bad.

[Vassenor]

Trump admitted on tape that he lied to you and every other one of his cultists when he claimed the virus that kills people was not an issue.

He said, he did not want too alarm people, so he said reassuring things, it just shows us President Trump loves America the USA and the American people, it just shows he has a loving heart, and loves you too Liriena my friend.

While trying to create panics about Mexicans. And China. And Muslims. And Antifa. And BLM. And probably some things I've forgotten.

So no, I don't buy the "he didn't want to alarm people" narrative.

[Blargoblarg]

Green Party Presidential Candidate Says Progressives Are Going Too Easy on Biden

The Green Party's presidential nominee, Howie Hawkins, is calling on progressive voters not to "settle" for Democratic rival Joe Biden's platform just to see President Donald Trump defeated in the upcoming 2020 election.

Speaking with Newsweek on Thursday, Hawkins said that while Biden might be the most likely candidate on the left to defeat Trump, that does not mean that progressives should become complacent when it comes to demanding action on issues like combating climate change and addressing racial injustice.

"Trump, I want him out of there more than anybody, but if you just settle for Biden, you're not going to get any of the things you wanted as a progressive," Hawkins said.

"Unfortunately," he continued, "I think progressives are settling for Biden, a lot of them are, and they're undermining their own case. They have made no demands on him."

After Biden's campaign introduced a series of policy recommendations crafted by its joint task force with supporters of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who ended his presidential bid in April, before the Democratic National Committee, some progressives were disappointed to see much of the major upheaval promised in Sanders' campaign left out.

Among the key items left out was the ambitious Green New Deal package aimed at addressing climate change and economic inequality.

Still, supporters of the deal have embraced much of Biden's plan as maintaining key aspects of the package. Meanwhile, his plan has been progressive enough for Trump to declare it "extreme" after the Democrat revealed his plans to spend $2 trillion over two years to promote the use of clean energy across sectors in a bid to create economic opportunities and tackle climate change.

Speaking in July from the Rose Garden, the president said he believed Biden's agenda was "the most extreme platform of any major party nominee, by far, in American history."

"I think it's worse than actually Bernie's platform," the president said, referring to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

For Hawkins, however, Biden's plans to tackle climate change do not go far enough.

"Trump says that climate change is a hoax, but Biden acts like climate change is a hoax," Hawkins said. "I wonder if he really understands the issue," he mused.

The Green Party candidate said he was further disappointed by Biden's refusal to back Medicare for All, the universal health care legislation promoted by Sanders.

"Medicare for All... A green new deal... Taxing the rich to fund social programs...Biden is for none of these," he said.

If progressives readily accept that, he said, "they are setting themselves up to have no leverage with Biden if he becomes president."

Speaking on his own campaign, Hawkins said that he was frustrated by the notion that would-be Green Party supporters might cast their ballots for Biden over fears of splitting up the vote in the 2020 election.

Some Democrats have long accused Hawkins' predecessor Jill Stein of playing a part in former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton's 2016 election loss.

If voters in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania had voted for Clinton instead of Stein, the Democratic candidate might have gone on to be president.

However, as Hawkins noted, there is little evidence to suggest that Stein's dropping out of the race would have secured the former secretary of state's victory.

The Green Party candidate said he believes fears over splitting up the vote are to blame for why his campaign has not attracted as much attention from the media or voters in the lead-up to the election.

"We've been pretty much blanked out of the media," he said. "We're not part of the conversation."

"I'm comparing Jill Stein's coverage to my coverage and it's just not comparable," Hawkins said. "I've got nothing, pretty much nothing, certainly from cable, the big three cable networks. If you're not covering people, they don't know you're out there. It's a chicken and egg thing."

He also took aim at the suggestion that voting for the Green Party might equate to helping Trump, asserting: "People need to understand that a vote for the Greens is a vote against Trump. There's a misunderstanding on that...It's not in Trump's column, it's in the Green column."

Hawkins further said that he was disappointed to media focus around combating climate change quiet down in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.

"COVID is important, but so is the climate," Hawkins said. "The media seems to be able to only focus on one or two things at a time."

Still, he said he believes protecting the environment is still important to voters.

"In the general public mind, it's in the back of their minds. It's a big worry that's really changed in this country," he said. "I think that's sentiment is still there."

Newsweek has contacted Biden's campaign for comment.

[Shrillland]

Green Party Presidential Candidate Says Progressives Are Going Too Easy on Biden

The Green Party's presidential nominee, Howie Hawkins, is calling on progressive voters not to "settle" for Democratic rival Joe Biden's platform just to see President Donald Trump defeated in the upcoming 2020 election.

Speaking with Newsweek on Thursday, Hawkins said that while Biden might be the most likely candidate on the left to defeat Trump, that does not mean that progressives should become complacent when it comes to demanding action on issues like combating climate change and addressing racial injustice.

"Trump, I want him out of there more than anybody, but if you just settle for Biden, you're not going to get any of the things you wanted as a progressive," Hawkins said.

"Unfortunately," he continued, "I think progressives are settling for Biden, a lot of them are, and they're undermining their own case. They have made no demands on him."

After Biden's campaign introduced a series of policy recommendations crafted by its joint task force with supporters of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who ended his presidential bid in April, before the Democratic National Committee, some progressives were disappointed to see much of the major upheaval promised in Sanders' campaign left out.

Among the key items left out was the ambitious Green New Deal package aimed at addressing climate change and economic inequality.

Still, supporters of the deal have embraced much of Biden's plan as maintaining key aspects of the package. Meanwhile, his plan has been progressive enough for Trump to declare it "extreme" after the Democrat revealed his plans to spend $2 trillion over two years to promote the use of clean energy across sectors in a bid to create economic opportunities and tackle climate change.

Speaking in July from the Rose Garden, the president said he believed Biden's agenda was "the most extreme platform of any major party nominee, by far, in American history."

"I think it's worse than actually Bernie's platform," the president said, referring to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

For Hawkins, however, Biden's plans to tackle climate change do not go far enough.

"Trump says that climate change is a hoax, but Biden acts like climate change is a hoax," Hawkins said. "I wonder if he really understands the issue," he mused.

The Green Party candidate said he was further disappointed by Biden's refusal to back Medicare for All, the universal health care legislation promoted by Sanders.

"Medicare for All... A green new deal... Taxing the rich to fund social programs...Biden is for none of these," he said.

If progressives readily accept that, he said, "they are setting themselves up to have no leverage with Biden if he becomes president."

Speaking on his own campaign, Hawkins said that he was frustrated by the notion that would-be Green Party supporters might cast their ballots for Biden over fears of splitting up the vote in the 2020 election.

Some Democrats have long accused Hawkins' predecessor Jill Stein of playing a part in former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton's 2016 election loss.

If voters in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania had voted for Clinton instead of Stein, the Democratic candidate might have gone on to be president.

However, as Hawkins noted, there is little evidence to suggest that Stein's dropping out of the race would have secured the former secretary of state's victory.

The Green Party candidate said he believes fears over splitting up the vote are to blame for why his campaign has not attracted as much attention from the media or voters in the lead-up to the election.

"We've been pretty much blanked out of the media," he said. "We're not part of the conversation."

"I'm comparing Jill Stein's coverage to my coverage and it's just not comparable," Hawkins said. "I've got nothing, pretty much nothing, certainly from cable, the big three cable networks. If you're not covering people, they don't know you're out there. It's a chicken and egg thing."

He also took aim at the suggestion that voting for the Green Party might equate to helping Trump, asserting: "People need to understand that a vote for the Greens is a vote against Trump. There's a misunderstanding on that...It's not in Trump's column, it's in the Green column."

Hawkins further said that he was disappointed to media focus around combating climate change quiet down in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.

"COVID is important, but so is the climate," Hawkins said. "The media seems to be able to only focus on one or two things at a time."

Still, he said he believes protecting the environment is still important to voters.

"In the general public mind, it's in the back of their minds. It's a big worry that's really changed in this country," he said. "I think that's sentiment is still there."

Newsweek has contacted Biden's campaign for comment.

They're not settling, they're being realistic in regards to our hopelessly entrenched two-party system thanks to our insistence on FPTP at all costs. Once Biden's in, then we can turn the pressure up, but the focus here and now is to remove the immediate crisis of Trump.

[Vassenor]

Green Party Presidential Candidate Says Progressives Are Going Too Easy on Biden

They're not settling, they're being realistic in regards to our hopelessly entrenched two-party system thanks to our insistence on FPTP at all costs. Once Biden's in, then we can turn the pressure up, but the focus here and now is to remove the immediate crisis of Trump.

Navigation, not destination.

[The Black Forrest]

Green Party Presidential Candidate Says Progressives Are Going Too Easy on Biden

The Green Party's presidential nominee, Howie Hawkins, is calling on progressive voters not to "settle" for Democratic rival Joe Biden's platform just to see President Donald Trump defeated in the upcoming 2020 election.

Speaking with Newsweek on Thursday, Hawkins said that while Biden might be the most likely candidate on the left to defeat Trump, that does not mean that progressives should become complacent when it comes to demanding action on issues like combating climate change and addressing racial injustice.

"Trump, I want him out of there more than anybody, but if you just settle for Biden, you're not going to get any of the things you wanted as a progressive," Hawkins said.

"Unfortunately," he continued, "I think progressives are settling for Biden, a lot of them are, and they're undermining their own case. They have made no demands on him."

After Biden's campaign introduced a series of policy recommendations crafted by its joint task force with supporters of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who ended his presidential bid in April, before the Democratic National Committee, some progressives were disappointed to see much of the major upheaval promised in Sanders' campaign left out.

Among the key items left out was the ambitious Green New Deal package aimed at addressing climate change and economic inequality.

Still, supporters of the deal have embraced much of Biden's plan as maintaining key aspects of the package. Meanwhile, his plan has been progressive enough for Trump to declare it "extreme" after the Democrat revealed his plans to spend $2 trillion over two years to promote the use of clean energy across sectors in a bid to create economic opportunities and tackle climate change.

Speaking in July from the Rose Garden, the president said he believed Biden's agenda was "the most extreme platform of any major party nominee, by far, in American history."

"I think it's worse than actually Bernie's platform," the president said, referring to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

For Hawkins, however, Biden's plans to tackle climate change do not go far enough.

"Trump says that climate change is a hoax, but Biden acts like climate change is a hoax," Hawkins said. "I wonder if he really understands the issue," he mused.

The Green Party candidate said he was further disappointed by Biden's refusal to back Medicare for All, the universal health care legislation promoted by Sanders.

"Medicare for All... A green new deal... Taxing the rich to fund social programs...Biden is for none of these," he said.

If progressives readily accept that, he said, "they are setting themselves up to have no leverage with Biden if he becomes president."

Speaking on his own campaign, Hawkins said that he was frustrated by the notion that would-be Green Party supporters might cast their ballots for Biden over fears of splitting up the vote in the 2020 election.

Some Democrats have long accused Hawkins' predecessor Jill Stein of playing a part in former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton's 2016 election loss.

If voters in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania had voted for Clinton instead of Stein, the Democratic candidate might have gone on to be president.

However, as Hawkins noted, there is little evidence to suggest that Stein's dropping out of the race would have secured the former secretary of state's victory.

The Green Party candidate said he believes fears over splitting up the vote are to blame for why his campaign has not attracted as much attention from the media or voters in the lead-up to the election.

"We've been pretty much blanked out of the media," he said. "We're not part of the conversation."

"I'm comparing Jill Stein's coverage to my coverage and it's just not comparable," Hawkins said. "I've got nothing, pretty much nothing, certainly from cable, the big three cable networks. If you're not covering people, they don't know you're out there. It's a chicken and egg thing."

He also took aim at the suggestion that voting for the Green Party might equate to helping Trump, asserting: "People need to understand that a vote for the Greens is a vote against Trump. There's a misunderstanding on that...It's not in Trump's column, it's in the Green column."

Hawkins further said that he was disappointed to media focus around combating climate change quiet down in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.

"COVID is important, but so is the climate," Hawkins said. "The media seems to be able to only focus on one or two things at a time."

Still, he said he believes protecting the environment is still important to voters.

"In the general public mind, it's in the back of their minds. It's a big worry that's really changed in this country," he said. "I think that's sentiment is still there."

Newsweek has contacted Biden's campaign for comment.

Hmmm? Being practical is not really surrendering. It’s going to be Biden or Trump. Of the two; who is going to address covid and the environment? If that is what they like; trump is the greater threat.

[Liriena]

He said, he did not want too alarm people, so he said reassuring things, it just shows us President Trump loves America the USA and the American people, it just shows he has a loving heart, and loves you too Liriena my friend.

While trying to create panics about Mexicans. And China. And Muslims. And Antifa. And BLM. And probably some things I've forgotten.

So no, I don't buy the "he didn't want to alarm people" narrative.

Yep. But then again, that perfectly exposes the ideological foundations of Trumpist nationalism (and nationalism in general, really).

A panic over the pandemic is intolerable because it would mean acknowledging some sort of internal vulnerability or weakness in the nation.
All those other things Trump has incited panics against, though? They are necessary. His ideology needs those imaginary obstacles to America's presumed essential greatness. It needs those "others".

In a sense, the reason why Trump's America fucked up as bad as it did is the same reason why Xi's China, Johnson's United Kingdom and Bolsonaro's Brazil did: the first instinct of nationalists like them is to try to avoid the embarrassing image of weakness that they might project to their people and the rest of the world if they acknowledge the danger of the pandemic and their difficulties in containing it. So they cover up, they minimize the threat, they try to silence dissenting voices, they procrastinate on major policy needed to address it... and they might only change their tune once they believe that they have the tools at hand to address the pandemic without looking weak.

[The Black Forrest]

He said, he did not want too alarm people, so he said reassuring things, it just shows us President Trump loves America the USA and the American people, it just shows he has a loving heart, and loves you too Liriena my friend.

While trying to create panics about Mexicans. And China. And Muslims. And Antifa. And BLM. And probably some things I've forgotten.

So no, I don't buy the "he didn't want to alarm people" narrative.

He wasn’t lying; he was just speaking calmly.

[Greater Miami Shores]

He said, he did not want too alarm people, so he said reassuring things, it just shows us President Trump loves America the USA and the American people, it just shows he has a loving heart, and loves you too Liriena my friend.

While trying to create panics about Mexicans. And China. And Muslims. And Antifa. And BLM. And probably some things I've forgotten.

So no, I don't buy the "he didn't want to alarm people" narrative.

You don't buy anything good Trump says or does anyway, according to all of you Trump cant do no right, anyway.

[Liriena]

While trying to create panics about Mexicans. And China. And Muslims. And Antifa. And BLM. And probably some things I've forgotten.

So no, I don't buy the "he didn't want to alarm people" narrative.

You don't buy anything good Trump says or does anyway, according to all of you Trump cant do no right, anyway.

You haven't addressed her point.

Coronavirus has killed a lot more people than antifa and BLM combined. Why is Trump inciting a panic against antifa and BLM, but not against coronavirus?

[Vassenor]

While trying to create panics about Mexicans. And China. And Muslims. And Antifa. And BLM. And probably some things I've forgotten.

So no, I don't buy the "he didn't want to alarm people" narrative.

You don't buy anything good Trump says or does anyway, according to all of you Trump cant do no right, anyway.

So if Trump doesn't want to incite panics why is he trying to incite panics?

[Greater Miami Shores]

If gms isn’t balanced then how come he has both a left and right leg

Thank you my friend, SO2, lol, I am having a lol attack,
GMS.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JjSq6F7bPU

Russia backs Trump. China backs Biden. Russiagate has been disproved. China is by far the bigger threat and I want the CCP to pay. I'm with Trump, Pompeo, Rubio, and the Republicans all the way. They're markedly more consistent in their anti-CCP rhetoric and actions and less likely to be inadvertently swayed by CCP propaganda and covert attempts to buy their loyalty.

Yeah, you conveniently forget this.

Let's be clear, China does represent the United States' largest security threat of the 21st Century, but we're fucking insane if we think that another Cold War, this time with our largest economic partner, is the best way to respond to the threat.

What we need is more soft power. More diplomacy. More economic aid. More alliances. Getting ourselves into a geopolitical pissing match in a corner of the world where China holds the strategic advantage and initiative is fucking stupid.

While I have tremendous respect for John Bolton, this goes way back to 2018 before everyone realized just how low the CCP would stoop, before the HK protests, and before the pandemic struck. Things are different now. Even if Trump were to somehow renege on standing up to China, I doubt Joe Biden and the Democrats would be any more firm with China compared to hardline Republicans such as Mike Pompeo, Marco Rubio, and, of course, John Bolton. Let's also not forget that the Trump Administration is the most pro-Israel administration in recent U.S. history. Moving the embassy to Jerusalem and drawing up a peace plan are unprecedented moves I'm particularly impressed with, in stark contrast to Obama's betrayal of Israel and his failure to stand up to Russia and Iran with respect to Syria and Ukraine despite the marked absence of any allegations of Russian collusion, ironically enough. Given the limitations of America's two-party system, Trump, while not the most ideal candidate, is still our best bet.

Even if foreign policy isn't an issue and both parties are equally pro- or anti-PRC, the Right is still anti-communist, anti-BLM, anti-MeToo, anti-woke, anti-PC, pro-men's rights, pro-ALM, anti-affirmative action, anti-reparations, and generally anti-racist. Conservatives don't pretend to be something they're not. They don't pretend it's a crime to be rich while hypocritically flaunting their wealth, jet setting around the globe contributing to climate change, and virtue-signaling about BLM, MeToo, climate change, and sundry issues. They don't control or monopolize Hollywood, Big Tech, academia, the gaming industry, and pretty much every aspect of public life in America today. They're not the ones trying to cancel and shut people down simply for the "crime" of expressing support for a certain president. They're not the ones attacking and murdering people in the street for wearing a red baseball cap. They're not the ones behaving like literal communists and anarchists by rioting, looting, burning, and destroying black and brown communities and livelihoods simply because some people happen to have it better than others.

I find that conservatives are much more blunt and candid about what they believe even if I may dislike some of the things they believe in and have my disagreements over issues such as combating climate change, abortion, LGBT rights, separation of church and state, anti-discrimination legislation, etc. The most important thing is that they're less likely to sanctimoniously lecture and talk down to foreigners and people of color, telling us what we're supposed to think and feel otherwise we're somehow morally deficient, voting against our interests, and Uncle Toms, like some leftists have done both here and offsite. My endorsement of Donald Trump is an act of rebellion against years of incessant, condescending, lecturing, leftist BS.

To respond to some of the other posters, The Mueller report and Mueller himself found no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. Whether Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice is an altogether different charge, an entirely separate matter, and an issue I frankly don't give a shit about. The second Ukraine impeachment attempt is just another vindictive attempt by Democrats to remove a democratically-elected leader from office seeing how the first attempt failed miserably.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54110457

Microsoft says the Russians are at it again.

And China and Iran.

[Vassenor]

Yeah, you conveniently forget this.

Let's be clear, China does represent the United States' largest security threat of the 21st Century, but we're fucking insane if we think that another Cold War, this time with our largest economic partner, is the best way to respond to the threat.

What we need is more soft power. More diplomacy. More economic aid. More alliances. Getting ourselves into a geopolitical pissing match in a corner of the world where China holds the strategic advantage and initiative is fucking stupid.

While I have tremendous respect for John Bolton, this goes way back to 2018 before everyone realized just how low the CCP would stoop, before the HK protests, and before the pandemic struck. Things are different now. Even if Trump were to somehow renege on standing up to China, I doubt Joe Biden and the Democrats would be any more firm with China compared to hardline Republicans such as Mike Pompeo, Marco Rubio, and, of course, John Bolton. Let's also not forget that the Trump Administration is the most pro-Israel administration in recent U.S. history. Moving the embassy to Jerusalem and drawing up a peace plan are unprecedented moves I'm particularly impressed with, in stark contrast to Obama's betrayal of Israel and his failure to stand up to Russia and Iran with respect to Syria and Ukraine despite the marked absence of any allegations of Russian collusion, ironically enough. Given the limitations of America's two-party system, Trump, while not the most ideal candidate, is still our best bet.

Even if foreign policy isn't an issue and both parties are equally pro- or anti-PRC, the Right is still anti-communist, anti-BLM, anti-MeToo, anti-woke, anti-PC, pro-men's rights, pro-ALM, anti-affirmative action, anti-reparations, and generally anti-racist. Conservatives don't pretend to be something they're not. They don't pretend it's a crime to be rich while hypocritically flaunting their wealth, jet setting around the globe contributing to climate change, and virtue-signaling about BLM, MeToo, climate change, and sundry issues. They don't control or monopolize Hollywood, Big Tech, academia, the gaming industry, and pretty much every aspect of public life in America today. They're not the ones trying to cancel and shut people down simply for the "crime" of expressing support for a certain president. They're not the ones attacking and murdering people in the street for wearing a red baseball cap. They're not the ones behaving like literal communists and anarchists by rioting, looting, burning, and destroying black and brown communities and livelihoods simply because some people happen to have it better than others.

I find that conservatives are much more blunt and candid about what they believe even if I may dislike some of the things they believe in and have my disagreements over issues such as combating climate change, abortion, LGBT rights, separation of church and state, anti-discrimination legislation, etc. The most important thing is that they're less likely to sanctimoniously lecture and talk down to foreigners and people of color, telling us what we're supposed to think and feel otherwise we're somehow morally deficient, voting against our interests, and Uncle Toms, like some leftists have done both here and offsite. My endorsement of Donald Trump is an act of rebellion against years of incessant, condescending, lecturing, leftist BS.

To respond to some of the other posters, The Mueller report and Mueller himself found no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. Whether Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice is an altogether different charge, an entirely separate matter, and an issue I frankly don't give a shit about. The second Ukraine impeachment attempt is just another vindictive attempt by Democrats to remove a democratically-elected leader from office seeing how the first attempt failed miserably.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54110457

Microsoft says the Russians are at it again.

And China and Iran.

If there was no evidence of collusion, why are so many people in jail for it?

And just so we're clear, when you say Mueller said there was no evidence of collusion, We know you're lying. Even the man himself disagrees with your conclusion.

[Uiiop]

They're not settling, they're being realistic in regards to our hopelessly entrenched two-party system thanks to our insistence on FPTP at all costs. Once Biden's in, then we can turn the pressure up, but the focus here and now is to remove the immediate crisis of Trump.

Navigation, not destination.

We got time for solely navigation when it comes to climate change? I'd heard otherwise.