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2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:02 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Your the one clamming to speak for for all Republicans and having your own facts. The reversal are quite annoying at this point. You don’t speak for my relatives who are voting straight democrat for the first time in many years.

I keep posting for most Republicans, at times I use, we, us and most, no matter what semantic words I use from time to time, based on what I have told you, which you do not accept.

Your not the spokesperson and to claim you are is beyond arrogant.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:02 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:AI don't need to explain anything, according to you I am always wrong and you are right, no matter what, based on facts decided by you.


That is you saying that. Again if you can’t give evidence against a fact; your opinion is wrong.

Again What is the difference between an opinion and a fact?

Here you go again, have a nice day and stay safe from the virus that kills people not President Trump, Peace over and out.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:04 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That is you saying that. Again if you can’t give evidence against a fact; your opinion is wrong.

Again What is the difference between an opinion and a fact?

Here you go again, have a nice day and stay safe from the virus that kills people not President Trump, Peace over and out.

That’s the spirit run away like you always do when your challenged or faced with answering a direct question that one of your canned answers doesn’t work for.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:04 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That is you saying that. Again if you can’t give evidence against a fact; your opinion is wrong.

Again What is the difference between an opinion and a fact?

Here you go again, have a nice day and stay safe from the virus that kills people not President Trump, Peace over and out.


Hmpf? Ok. I can’t tell if you really don’t understand or if you are being dishonest?

Covid does kill people. Trump made it possible for it to kill many more.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:07 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Do you understand the difference between an opinion and a fact? Try and explain it.

II don't need to explain anything, according to you I am always wrong and you are right, on Trump the Republicans and all issues, no matter what, based on facts decided by you.


If you explained things more often, maybe "we" wouldn't always conclude you are wrong.

You used to be very good on the subject of Cuba. Not because your opinions were 'right' or well accepted, but because you know a lot about Cuba and the regime. You probably didn't change a lot of minds, but at least you held up your side of an argument. Knowing more about the subject (even if some of the facts are in dispute) is a huge advantage in an argument.

Defending Trump in all things is a much harder task. And you're talking to people who (even just by consuming news) know a lot about Trump. There are two things you could do: study more, a lot more; or only defend Trump sometimes.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:07 pm

too all, lol, I am having a lol attack, :) :rofl:
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Here you go again, have a nice day and stay safe from the virus that kills people not President Trump, Peace over and out.

That’s the spirit run away like you always do when your challenged or faced with answering a direct question that one of your canned answers doesn’t work for.

Your one to talk, you give terribly canned answers, and even dodge a question by asking one yourself.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:15 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That’s the spirit run away like you always do when your challenged or faced with answering a direct question that one of your canned answers doesn’t work for.

Your one to talk, you give terribly canned answers, and even dodge a question by asking one yourself.

No I do not and what have I said that’s false? If I was truly a partisan hack I would not be dissatisfied with my governor right now.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:17 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:too all, lol, I am having a lol attack, :) :rofl:


Seriously though, you get into arguments you know you can't win. "Trump good" is too wide a front for you to hold. If you learn more about one particular incident (including the sources you hate: they will contain facts not in Brietbart) and go in prepared, you'd be holding your own bit of the Republican front.

Partisan politics is like trench warfare. And you're not a tank. You're a leader from an earlier age, prancing up and down the Republican line on your horse, waving a sword, yelling "for King and Country boys, CHARGE!". No wonder your ass lands in the ditch every time.
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Your one to talk, you give terribly canned answers, and even dodge a question by asking one yourself.

No I do not and what have I said that’s false? If I was truly a partisan hack I would not be dissatisfied with my governor right now.

Belarus, Hell early today you gave a canned answer about nuclear weapons.

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Postby Post War America » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:21 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No I do not and what have I said that’s false? If I was truly a partisan hack I would not be dissatisfied with my governor right now.

Belarus, Hell early today you gave a canned answer about nuclear weapons.


I mean, those are just bad takes, very few people are calling for unilateral nuclear disarmament.

More accurate would be the Run for Office, Vote, Then you can't Complain loop that pops up every week or so.
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Postby Necroghastia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Your one to talk, you give terribly canned answers, and even dodge a question by asking one yourself.

No I do not and what have I said that’s false? If I was truly a partisan hack I would not be dissatisfied with my governor right now.

I'm still waiting on you to give a source that it would take the entire country's if not the world's linen supplies in order to implement UBI in the States.
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:22 pm

Post War America wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Belarus, Hell early today you gave a canned answer about nuclear weapons.


I mean, those are just bad takes, very few people are calling for unilateral nuclear disarmament.

More accurate would be the Run for Office, Vote, Then you can't Complain loop that pops up every week or so.

Or the not voting and voting third party means 4 more years of Trump.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:22 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No I do not and what have I said that’s false? If I was truly a partisan hack I would not be dissatisfied with my governor right now.

Belarus, Hell early today you gave a canned answer about nuclear weapons.

That wasn’t a canned answer. That was an opinion. This coming from a person who wants the constitution suspended indefinitely and doesn’t believe in fair representation and when questioned on it gives the same nonsense response every time.

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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Belarus, Hell early today you gave a canned answer about nuclear weapons.

That wasn’t a canned answer. That was an opinion. This coming from a person who wants the constitution suspended indefinitely and doesn’t believe in fair representation and when questioned on it gives the same nonsense response every time.

Says the one who tells people to run for office or fucking leave if they don't like living a place they don't like

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:26 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:too all, lol, I am having a lol attack, :) :rofl:


Seriously though, you get into arguments you know you can't win. "Trump good" is too wide a front for you to hold. If you learn more about one particular incident (including the sources you hate: they will contain facts not in Brietbart) and go in prepared, you'd be holding your own bit of the Republican front.

Partisan politics is like trench warfare. And you're not a tank. You're a leader from an earlier age, prancing up and down the Republican line on your horse, waving a sword, yelling "for King and Country boys, CHARGE!". No wonder your ass lands in the ditch every time.

Fox News, Breitbart, Redstate.org, One America News Network and Townhall are not un reliable, garbage, trash and a rag as many leftists on here claim, just like MSNBC, the Progressive and other leftists sources are not garbage, trash and a rag, they all have their right wing spins and their left wing spins, and they all have substance in their posts.

I don't like to use any bad words like A or worse, except for shit hole nations like Cuba, but I don't care when my so called ass lands in the ditch every time, when it is decided by the leftists I strongly disagree with and they strongly disagree with me.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:27 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That wasn’t a canned answer. That was an opinion. This coming from a person who wants the constitution suspended indefinitely and doesn’t believe in fair representation and when questioned on it gives the same nonsense response every time.

Says the one who tells people to run for office or fucking leave if they don't like living a place they don't like

How else are any of the changes you want going to happen? Screaming into a void or waving a magic wand won’t make it so.

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Postby Necroghastia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Says the one who tells people to run for office or fucking leave if they don't like living a place they don't like

How else are any of the changes you want going to happen? Screaming into a void or waving a magic wand won’t make it so.

So you're running against Cuomo?
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Says the one who tells people to run for office or fucking leave if they don't like living a place they don't like

How else are any of the changes you want going to happen? Screaming into a void or waving a magic wand won’t make it so.

And you assume literally anyone can do it without money or the fact people have a family that needs to come first or don't have the time or energy or the charisma to actually be a fucking politician, like it's that fucking easy to campaign for a primary and a general and win it fucking isn't.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:32 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How else are any of the changes you want going to happen? Screaming into a void or waving a magic wand won’t make it so.

So you're running against Cuomo?

I would probably vote for San Lumen, :) Probably the better candidate.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:34 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Post War America wrote:
I mean, those are just bad takes, very few people are calling for unilateral nuclear disarmament.

More accurate would be the Run for Office, Vote, Then you can't Complain loop that pops up every week or so.

Or the not voting and voting third party means 4 more years of Trump.


it basically is supporting whoever wins. Especially when that person has no hope in hell of winning. Anyway. That has been argued to death.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:37 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Or the not voting and voting third party means 4 more years of Trump.


it basically is supporting whoever wins. Especially when that person has no hope in hell of winning. Anyway. That has been argued to death.

We all have a democratic right to vote for anyone we wish, for any reasons we wish.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:42 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:So you're running against Cuomo?

I would probably vote for San Lumen, :) Probably the better candidate.


San Lumen is voting for Vetalia, so I guess you're voting for Vetalia now.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:44 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
it basically is supporting whoever wins. Especially when that person has no hope in hell of winning. Anyway. That has been argued to death.

We all have a democratic right to vote for anyone we wish, for any reasons we wish.


That's not strictly true. You have a right to write any name you want on a ballot. But not all states will record and publish it ... so actually you've just written a name but not voted for that person in any meaningful sense.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:53 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Seriously though, you get into arguments you know you can't win. "Trump good" is too wide a front for you to hold. If you learn more about one particular incident (including the sources you hate: they will contain facts not in Brietbart) and go in prepared, you'd be holding your own bit of the Republican front.

Partisan politics is like trench warfare. And you're not a tank. You're a leader from an earlier age, prancing up and down the Republican line on your horse, waving a sword, yelling "for King and Country boys, CHARGE!". No wonder your ass lands in the ditch every time.

Fox News, Breitbart, Redstate.org, One America News Network and Townhall are not un reliable, garbage, trash and a rag as many leftists on here claim, just like MSNBC, the Progressive and other leftists sources are not garbage, trash and a rag, they all have their right wing spins and their left wing spins, and they all have substance in their posts.


What I'm getting at, is that if you use a narrow and biased source as your one and only source before you post, you may well be confronted with something you don't know about the story. Most bias is just a matter of wording, putting more emphasis on one thing than another. But sometimes bias extends to leaving out what are probably facts.

One fact can wreck a point, or a whole argument. One dubious fact that you can't cast doubt on, can damage the argument badly. Facts you know already strengthen your argument ... but facts you start out unaware of, are like land mines.

The posts where you give a link and discuss what's in it, are your best posts. Because some facts are still fresh in your mind.

I don't like to use any bad words like A or worse, except for shit hole nations like Cuba, but I don't care when my so called ass lands in the ditch every time, when it is decided by the leftists I strongly disagree with and they strongly disagree with me.


It's not always leftists who shoot you down. There are times when other Republicans would rather keep quiet than try to defend Trump.
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