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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:23 pm

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Christian Tybring-Gjedde, a member of the Norwegian Parliament for the far-right Progress Party, said on Wednesday Trump should be considered because of his work "for a peace agreement between the United Arab Emirates and Israel which opens up for possible peace in the Middle East".


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I don't see why he shouldn't get one tbh. It's not like there's any actual standards to it.
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Postby US-SSR » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:25 pm

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:That is an extremely dishonest take, and you probably know it but you post it anyways…

Trump supporters have been demonized as all being racists, but in reality, barely anyone is racist. I have been to many Trump rallies, no one cared that I was Chinese, in fact, people praised me for resisting the CCP, and wished me luck on "liberating my ancestral land."

When I pass through rural America while going places, people are very friendly and are more curious than anything, when I tell them I’m a Trump supporter, they go as far as inviting me over for dinner. The only experience with racism I have had in the US has been in urban Philadelphia, where two black men called me a "Fucking chinky pig," while I was crossing the street and their car had to stop.
(and before you leftists jump on the opportunity to paint me as a black-hating racist, I know these people are not representative of the vast majority of black people)

Portraying all or even most Trump supporters as racist is another one of the left’s most effective tactic, lying.


Except a recent study showed that the best predicter of support for Trump and acceptance of anti-small-d-democratic values was ethnocentric attitudes.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:25 pm

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:That is an extremely dishonest take, and you probably know it but you post it anyways…

Trump supporters have been demonized as all being racists, but in reality, barely anyone is racist. I have been to many Trump rallies, no one cared that I was Chinese, in fact, people praised me for resisting the CCP, and wished me luck on "liberating my ancestral land."

When I pass through rural America while going places, people are very friendly and are more curious than anything, when I tell them I’m a Trump supporter, they go as far as inviting me over for dinner. The only experience with racism I have had in the US has been in urban Philadelphia, where two black men called me a "Fucking chinky pig," while I was crossing the street and their car had to stop.
(and before you leftists jump on the opportunity to paint me as a black-hating racist, I know these people are not representative of the vast majority of black people)

Portraying all or even most Trump supporters as racist is another one of the left’s most effective tactic, lying.


I disagree that all Trump supporters are racist, but I'm gonna have to say you're full of it at several of your quotes, from "liberating my ancestral land" to "Fucking chinky pig." I'm sorry mate, but all of that sounds completely made up. But maybe it's not, I'm not you. While not all Trump supporters are racist, just ask yourselves, who do the racists by and large support?

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Postby Aureumterra » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:26 pm

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:That is an extremely dishonest take, and you probably know it but you post it anyways…

Trump supporters have been demonized as all being racists, but in reality, barely anyone is racist. I have been to many Trump rallies, no one cared that I was Chinese, in fact, people praised me for resisting the CCP, and wished me luck on "liberating my ancestral land."

When I pass through rural America while going places, people are very friendly and are more curious than anything, when I tell them I’m a Trump supporter, they go as far as inviting me over for dinner. The only experience with racism I have had in the US has been in urban Philadelphia, where two black men called me a "Fucking chinky pig," while I was crossing the street and their car had to stop.
(and before you leftists jump on the opportunity to paint me as a black-hating racist, I know these people are not representative of the vast majority of black people)

Portraying all or even most Trump supporters as racist is another one of the left’s most effective tactic, lying.

You’re telling me that all Trump supporters aren't racist :eek:
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:32 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
US-SSR wrote:It's official:



Tom Lehrer famously said satire died when Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize. Our pal Christian just dug up satire's corpse and bumfucked it.


I don't see why he shouldn't get one tbh. It's not like there's any actual standards to it.

I mean, Barrack Hussein Obama got one. Trump is at the very least more peaceful than that.
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Postby Cordel One » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:40 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't see why he shouldn't get one tbh. It's not like there's any actual standards to it.

I mean, Barrack Hussein Obama got one. Trump is at the very least more peaceful than that.

How about we don't give the prize to war criminals at all?

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:41 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't see why he shouldn't get one tbh. It's not like there's any actual standards to it.

I mean, Barrack Hussein Obama got one. Trump is at the very least more peaceful than that.


No, they're the same or Trump is slightly worse.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:46 pm

US-SSR wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Trump supporters have been demonized as all being racists, but in reality, barely anyone is racist. I have been to many Trump rallies, no one cared that I was Chinese, in fact, people praised me for resisting the CCP, and wished me luck on "liberating my ancestral land."

When I pass through rural America while going places, people are very friendly and are more curious than anything, when I tell them I’m a Trump supporter, they go as far as inviting me over for dinner. The only experience with racism I have had in the US has been in urban Philadelphia, where two black men called me a "Fucking chinky pig," while I was crossing the street and their car had to stop.
(and before you leftists jump on the opportunity to paint me as a black-hating racist, I know these people are not representative of the vast majority of black people)

Portraying all or even most Trump supporters as racist is another one of the left’s most effective tactic, lying.


Except a recent study showed that the best predicter of support for Trump and acceptance of anti-small-d-democratic values was ethnocentric attitudes.

Your article cites the definition of cultural conservatism as "patriotism, traditional morality (including abortion and sexual harassment), and disdain for big cities, rich people, journalists, and college professors." This definition is practically worthless, and the kind of "ethnic antagonism" described actually "reflects the multifaceted demographic threat currently perceived by many White Americans and their specifically political antagonisms toward a variety of salient out-groups."

Antidemocratic values aren't that bad so there's not much to worry about in that regard.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:47 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't see why he shouldn't get one tbh. It's not like there's any actual standards to it.

I mean, Barrack Hussein Obama got one. Trump is at the very least more peaceful than that.

Didn't Obama get his before invading anywhere?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:48 pm

Kowani wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I mean, Barrack Hussein Obama got one. Trump is at the very least more peaceful than that.

Didn't Obama get his before invading anywhere?


He got his for just not being George W Bush,

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:48 pm

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Kowani wrote:Didn't Obama get his before invading anywhere?


He got his for just not being George W Bush,


A true accomplishment.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:49 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
US-SSR wrote:It's official:



Tom Lehrer famously said satire died when Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize. Our pal Christian just dug up satire's corpse and bumfucked it.


I don't see why he shouldn't get one tbh. It's not like there's any actual standards to it.


Just because we have a handful of very bad American politicians getting these awards does not devalue them entirely. There are several deserving recipients of the prize.

Not that good people really go after recognition.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:49 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
US-SSR wrote:It's official:



Tom Lehrer famously said satire died when Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize. Our pal Christian just dug up satire's corpse and bumfucked it.


I don't see why he shouldn't get one tbh. It's not like there's any actual standards to it.

Especially after Obama got one for being elected
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Postby Cordel One » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:50 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
He got his for just not being George W Bush,


A true accomplishment.

Or should I say
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:50 pm

Kowani wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I mean, Barrack Hussein Obama got one. Trump is at the very least more peaceful than that.

Didn't Obama get his before invading anywhere?

Yup. And then he proceeded to fuck the Middle East some more
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:53 pm

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:That is an extremely dishonest take, and you probably know it but you post it anyways…

Trump supporters have been demonized as all being racists, but in reality, barely anyone is racist. I have been to many Trump rallies, no one cared that I was Chinese, in fact, people praised me for resisting the CCP, and wished me luck on "liberating my ancestral land."

When I pass through rural America while going places, people are very friendly and are more curious than anything, when I tell them I’m a Trump supporter, they go as far as inviting me over for dinner. The only experience with racism I have had in the US has been in urban Philadelphia, where two black men called me a "Fucking chinky pig," while I was crossing the street and their car had to stop.
(and before you leftists jump on the opportunity to paint me as a black-hating racist, I know these people are not representative of the vast majority of black people)

Portraying all or even most Trump supporters as racist is another one of the left’s most effective tactic, lying.


Cool for you. You ever think that maybe someone can be racist without hating your group? Cause unlike you I've experienced racial hate several times in my life, from the time a woman at my job said I should star in a film about Mexican gang members to the time a guy asked my friend "who let this spic (me) in the chat?" And then there was the time a girl said I should be deported.

As for your point about trump supporters and racism, please, consider the following:

The Pew Research Center found that 69 percent of Trump supporters viewed immigrants as a burden, rather than a benefit, to the US, and 64 percent believed that American Muslims should be subject to greater scrutiny solely on the basis of their religion. Reuters found that Trump supporters were more than twice as likely as Clinton supporters to view Islam negatively. Trump supporters were also more likely than supporters of other candidates to hold negative views of African-Americans. Reuters reported that 40–50 percent of Trump supporters viewed African-Americans as being more "lazy", "rude", "violent", or "criminal" than whites, compared to 25–30 percent for Clinton supporters; while 32 percent of Trump supporters believed that African-Americans were less intelligent than whites, compared to 22 percent of Clinton supporters.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:55 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Trump supporters have been demonized as all being racists, but in reality, barely anyone is racist. I have been to many Trump rallies, no one cared that I was Chinese, in fact, people praised me for resisting the CCP, and wished me luck on "liberating my ancestral land."

When I pass through rural America while going places, people are very friendly and are more curious than anything, when I tell them I’m a Trump supporter, they go as far as inviting me over for dinner. The only experience with racism I have had in the US has been in urban Philadelphia, where two black men called me a "Fucking chinky pig," while I was crossing the street and their car had to stop.
(and before you leftists jump on the opportunity to paint me as a black-hating racist, I know these people are not representative of the vast majority of black people)

Portraying all or even most Trump supporters as racist is another one of the left’s most effective tactic, lying.

You’re telling me that all Trump supporters aren't racist :eek:


Theyre all complicit in racism at the least. Why don't you explain to my arab friends how "not all trump supporters hate you, despite voting for a president who said you cheered on 9/11."
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:57 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Didn't Obama get his before invading anywhere?

Yup. And then he proceeded to fuck the Middle East some more

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:59 pm

https://twitter.com/thauserkstp/status/ ... 54209?s=20

Biden up nine in Minnesota. I’m at a loss as to why people think he is competitive here.

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Postby Diopolis » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/thauserkstp/status/1303817408361054209?s=20

Biden up nine in Minnesota. I’m at a loss as to why people think he is competitive here.

We can probably expect Trump to outperform polls this time around, because 1) Trump supporters are more likely to vote in person, and the mail in ballot spoilage rate is much higher and 2) Trump runs a get out the vote effort, the dems don't. Not to mention the shy Trump voter(which was at the very least true last time, even if it's not all it's cracked up to be).
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:11 pm

Diopolis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/thauserkstp/status/1303817408361054209?s=20

Biden up nine in Minnesota. I’m at a loss as to why people think he is competitive here.

We can probably expect Trump to outperform polls this time around, because 1) Trump supporters are more likely to vote in person, and the mail in ballot spoilage rate is much higher and 2) Trump runs a get out the vote effort, the dems don't. Not to mention the shy Trump voter(which was at the very least true last time, even if it's not all it's cracked up to be).


The shy Trump voter was absolutely not a thing in any significant sense.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/thauserkstp/status/1303817408361054209?s=20

Biden up nine in Minnesota. I’m at a loss as to why people think he is competitive here.

Because the rest of us aren’t taking anything for granted.

Hell a lot in the DNC are acting like Trump will win everything and then they go from there.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:22 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/thauserkstp/status/1303817408361054209?s=20

Biden up nine in Minnesota. I’m at a loss as to why people think he is competitive here.

Because the rest of us aren’t taking anything for granted.

Hell a lot in the DNC are acting like Trump will win everything and then they go from there.

While no one at the DNC should take anything for granted after 2016, the last time Minnesota went to a Republican in the presidential election was 1972.
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Postby Blargoblarg » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:27 pm

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Tom Lehrer famously said satire died when Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize. Our pal Christian just dug up satire's corpse and bumfucked it.


I don't see why he shouldn't get one tbh. It's not like there's any actual standards to it.

They gave one to Obama and he bombed a bunch of civilians in Middle Eastern countries. Seems like the Nobel Peace Prize is pretty meaningless at this point.
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:29 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/thauserkstp/status/1303817408361054209?s=20

Biden up nine in Minnesota. I’m at a loss as to why people think he is competitive here.

Because the rest of us aren’t taking anything for granted.

Hell a lot in the DNC are acting like Trump will win everything and then they go from there.


They need to: they got complacent in 2016; now it seems Trump is doing the same thing. But Minnesota will be close, likely within 5 points. I suspect many key States will be.
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