2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Instead of passing off all Trump supporters as racist hillbillies, the Democrats could really look into the situations that cause people to feel so much isolation and resentment that they’re willing to vote for someone like Trump. Biden is actually doing a pretty good job at reaching out to these people, I have to give him that. Still I think there were better options for that

Such as? No one is saying they all are but there is a percentage that are.

Racist hillbilly and people with legitimate grievances aren't mutually exclusive categories.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Multiple boats in distress, sinking at Trump Boat Parade on Lake Travis

Is this a bad omen?

Even God is pissed off lmfao.

[Northern Davincia]

Nonsense, we have recreational nukes.

I was wondering how you got that bitchen tan!

Thank you for noticing.

[Liriena]

Multiple boats in distress, sinking at Trump Boat Parade on Lake Travis

Is this a bad omen?

Aquaman, welcome to antifa.

[Post War America]

I mean, it is a fairly common talking point among a certain subset of college educated white liberal suburbanites to look down upon poorer, not college educated, white conservative ruralites, including the perpetuating the stereotype of rural-dwelling white folk, especially rural dwelling white folk from the South as inbred bigoted hicks. It was something I made arguments against while I was attending university with a bunch of said college educated, white liberal suburbanites.

It doesn't help that a large portion of said populace, even if not violently bigoted themselves proved certainly willing to overlook said bigotry in multiple elections from 2016 onward.

Or to bring it around to Dem criticism, the Dems had nothing to offer for those people, whereas the reactionary elements of the Republican Party can offer false consciousness in the form of fanning the white nativist flame. Though this is the end result of a decade's long process on the Dem's part to distance themselves from the labor movement in favor of courting college educated middle and upper middle class suburbanites.

No one said they all were but anyone who voted for him clearly had no issue with racism and sexism.

Do you bother reading before you post canned responses?

[Nejii]

I love how leftists and many centrists even pin all Trump supporters as bigoted red necks and “racist hillbillies” so to speak. True enough the majority of that element does in fact support him but so do masses of suburbanites, academics, businessmen, military personnel (from enlisted men to high rankings officers), immigrants and yes even those among the African American populace that the Democratic Party covets to an offensively pandering degree.

This isn’t a comment to push for Trump it’s simply meant to rebuke an incorrect blanketing stereotype. Incorrect like saying that all Biden/Democrat supporters are gay hairstylists, Gen-Z college students, BLM activists and unregistered illegal immigrants.

You're getting straw on the carpet.

Oh, put your pink apron on and sweep it up. (I jape.)

[Nejii]

I love how leftists and many centrists even pin all Trump supporters as bigoted red necks and “racist hillbillies” so to speak. True enough the majority of that element does in fact support him but so do masses of suburbanites, academics, businessmen, military personnel (from enlisted men to high rankings officers), immigrants and yes even those among the African American populace that the Democratic Party covets to an offensively pandering degree.

This isn’t a comment to push for Trump it’s simply meant to rebuke an incorrect blanketing stereotype. Incorrect like saying that all Biden/Democrat supporters are gay hairstylists, Gen-Z college students, BLM activists and unregistered illegal immigrants.

Stereotyping is bad, sure. But statistics prove that bigotry (or "cultural anxiety", if you like PC euphemisms) is the main guiding principle of Trump supporters.

It is an element of said base yes. But I must respectfully disagree that it’s a spear tip principle. While you do indeed have your classic xenophobes and anti-immigrantion groups, you do have those that are more moderate. Accepting and embracing of things such as racial and cultural diversity and legal immigration. As well as freedom of religion and freedom of speech and representation. The rebel flag waving skinheads and Cletuses (“They turk’ ur’ jerbs’!”) don’t even make up fifty present of the Trump base.

Just as the left has its’ moderates and it’s extremists.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

and who called them that?

Quite a few people, mostly on Twitter but also politicians in speeches

Do rural people really care what a bunch of rando’s on Twitter say about them?

[Jerzylvania]

Quite a few people, mostly on Twitter but also politicians in speeches

Do rural people really care what a bunch of rando’s on Twitter say about them?

I think it diesn't take a great leap of faith to suggest in the vast majority of cases they do not.

[Telconi]

I mean, it is a fairly common talking point among a certain subset of college educated white liberal suburbanites to look down upon poorer, not college educated, white conservative ruralites, including the perpetuating the stereotype of rural-dwelling white folk, especially rural dwelling white folk from the South as inbred bigoted hicks. It was something I made arguments against while I was attending university with a bunch of said college educated, white liberal suburbanites.

It doesn't help that a large portion of said populace, even if not violently bigoted themselves proved certainly willing to overlook said bigotry in multiple elections from 2016 onward.

Or to bring it around to Dem criticism, the Dems had nothing to offer for those people, whereas the reactionary elements of the Republican Party can offer false consciousness in the form of fanning the white nativist flame. Though this is the end result of a decade's long process on the Dem's part to distance themselves from the labor movement in favor of courting college educated middle and upper middle class suburbanites.

No one said they all were but anyone who voted for him clearly had no issue with racism and sexism.

"""Clearly""" I don't think that word means what you think it means.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

Stereotyping is bad, sure. But statistics prove that bigotry (or "cultural anxiety", if you like PC euphemisms) is the main guiding principle of Trump supporters.

It is an element of said base yes. But I must respectfully disagree that it’s a spear tip principle. While you do indeed have your classic xenophobes and anti-immigrantion groups, you do have those that are more moderate. Accepting of things such as racial and cultural diversity and legal immigration. As well as freedom of religion and freedom of speech and representation.

Just as the left has its’ moderates and it’s extremists.

Xenophobia is definitely one of the key animating principles of Trumpist thought. That and "the world is unfair to the United States". All one has to do is read his campaign launch speech.

There are certainly complicit moderates along for the ride.

[Nejii]

It is an element of said base yes. But I must respectfully disagree that it’s a spear tip principle. While you do indeed have your classic xenophobes and anti-immigrantion groups, you do have those that are more moderate. Accepting of things such as racial and cultural diversity and legal immigration. As well as freedom of religion and freedom of speech and representation.

Just as the left has its’ moderates and it’s extremists.

Xenophobia is definitely one of the key animating principles of Trumpist thought. That and "the world is unfair to the United States". All one has to do is read his campaign launch speech.

There are certainly complicit moderates along for the ride.

Read it.

While it does carry a foreboding tone I wouldn’t say it’s a doomsday speech inciting mass racism and “war on the outside world”.

It’s not that America is being “picked on” it’s that American politicians have made stupid decisions or perhaps deliberately malicious decisions for personal gain and it has, not weakened us necessarily, but made us a little fragile. I mean look at how overly dependent we’ve become on foreign industry and trade. Trade and foreign imports are a boon yes, but you never make yourself overly or completely dependent on a foreign nation as we’ve done with China and other nations.

Let’s look at immigration; immigration can be good for a country. But the “opened flood gates” policy of the extreme left is exactly what you don’t want regarding foreign immigration. Just look at how well that’s going in many southern and Eastern European nations. Without border patrol and security and a legal system for attaining American citizenship status your letting every malcontent and criminal in without a fluke or deterrent. Sure, you’ll have a percentage that slips through the cracks. But perfection doesn’t exsist and a 30% criminal influx (hypothetical figure) beats a 100% influx of potential criminals.

I mean these are just two simple points I’ve made, but I’ll end with this; Taking precautions and looking out for your country and countrymen isn’t xenophobia or racism. It’s common sense and common human nature. Sure, invite the neighbors over to eat dinner and spend the night. But you don’t give them free reign and access to everything in your home like they live there.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

Xenophobia is definitely one of the key animating principles of Trumpist thought. That and "the world is unfair to the United States". All one has to do is read his campaign launch speech.

There are certainly complicit moderates along for the ride.

Read it.

While it does carry a foreboding tone I wouldn’t say it’s a doomsday speech inciting mass racism and “war on the outside world”.

It’s not that America is being “picked on” it’s that American politicians have made stupid decisions or perhaps deliberately malicious decisions for personal gain and it has, not weakened us necessarily, but made us a little fragile. I mean look at how overly dependent we’ve become on foreign industry and trade. Trade and foreign imports are a boon yes, but you never make yourself overly or completely dependent on a foreign nation as we’ve done with China and other nations.

Let’s look at immigration; immigration can be good for a country. But the “opened flood gates” policy of the extreme left is exactly what you don’t want regarding foreign immigration. Just look at how well that’s going in many southern and Eastern European nations. Without border patrol and security and a legal system for attaining American citizenship status your letting every malcontent and criminal in without a fluke or deterrent. Sure, you’ll have a percentage that slips through the cracks. But perfection doesn’t exsist and a 30% criminal influx (hypothetical figure) beats a 100% influx of potential criminals.

I mean these are just two simple points I’ve made, but I’ll end with this; Taking precautions and looking out for your country and countrymen isn’t xenophobia or racism. It’s common sense and common human nature. Sure, invite the neighbors over to eat dinner and spend the night. But you don’t give them free reign and access to everything in your home like they live there.

I think you're reading a little too much nuance into his political philosophy in an attempt to humanize it. This is a person who has done things like call NATO's Article 5 into question. That kind of ideology does not strengthen America's position vis-a-vis the rest of the world, it takes a wrecking ball to it.

Being a Trump supporter doesn't inherently make you a xenophobe. Trumpism is inherently xenophobic, though.

[Gravlen]

Let’s look at immigration; immigration can be good for a country. But the “opened flood gates” policy of the extreme left is exactly what you don’t want regarding foreign immigration. Just look at how well that’s going in many southern and Eastern European nations.

Which southern and Eastern European nations are you imagining being run by the "extreme left" or having "extreme left" policies? Sokovia, Freedonia and Poictesme doesn't count.

[Nejii]

Let’s look at immigration; immigration can be good for a country. But the “opened flood gates” policy of the extreme left is exactly what you don’t want regarding foreign immigration. Just look at how well that’s going in many southern and Eastern European nations.

Which southern and Eastern European nations are you imagining being run by the "extreme left" or having "extreme left" policies? Sokovia, Freedonia and Poictesme doesn't count.

Greece and Germany are two.

[Nejii]

Read it.

While it does carry a foreboding tone I wouldn’t say it’s a doomsday speech inciting mass racism and “war on the outside world”.

It’s not that America is being “picked on” it’s that American politicians have made stupid decisions or perhaps deliberately malicious decisions for personal gain and it has, not weakened us necessarily, but made us a little fragile. I mean look at how overly dependent we’ve become on foreign industry and trade. Trade and foreign imports are a boon yes, but you never make yourself overly or completely dependent on a foreign nation as we’ve done with China and other nations.

Let’s look at immigration; immigration can be good for a country. But the “opened flood gates” policy of the extreme left is exactly what you don’t want regarding foreign immigration. Just look at how well that’s going in many southern and Eastern European nations. Without border patrol and security and a legal system for attaining American citizenship status your letting every malcontent and criminal in without a fluke or deterrent. Sure, you’ll have a percentage that slips through the cracks. But perfection doesn’t exsist and a 30% criminal influx (hypothetical figure) beats a 100% influx of potential criminals.

I mean these are just two simple points I’ve made, but I’ll end with this; Taking precautions and looking out for your country and countrymen isn’t xenophobia or racism. It’s common sense and common human nature. Sure, invite the neighbors over to eat dinner and spend the night. But you don’t give them free reign and access to everything in your home like they live there.

I think you're reading a little too much nuance into his political philosophy in an attempt to humanize it. This is a person who has done things like call NATO's Article 5 into question. That kind of ideology does not strengthen America's position vis-a-vis the rest of the world, it takes a wrecking ball to it.

Being a Trump supporter doesn't inherently make you a xenophobe. Trumpism is inherently xenophobic, though.

In truth I wouldn’t even call myself an ironclad Trump supporter. I agree with some of his policies. Just as I agreed with some of Obama’s administrative approaches. It’s called being centrist. Willing to listen to any angle. No one has all the answers after all. One thing Trump is flubbing on is handling this coronavirus, that’s blatantly obvious.

[Post War America]

Which southern and Eastern European nations are you imagining being run by the "extreme left" or having "extreme left" policies? Sokovia, Freedonia and Poictesme doesn't count.

Greece and Germany are two.

You mean the Greece whose coast guard literally just dumped hundreds of migrants into the Med? Or the Germany that's not part of Eastern or Southern Europe?

[Nejii]

Greece and Germany are two.

You mean the Greece whose coast guard literally just dumped hundreds of migrants into the Med? Or the Germany that's not part of Eastern or Southern Europe?

Firstly, please excuse a simple geographic error.

Secondly, extreme-leftism leads to economic, government, social, moral, and security decay. Which causes desperation which leads to unfortunate desperate measures. Frankly, those mass influxes of immigrants aren’t Greece’s responsibility, I mean they can barely support their own people let alone thousands upon thousands of newly arrivals. Yet even with the metaphorical “there’s no more room” sign they continue to press against the gates undeterred.

[Ifreann]

Multiple boats in distress, sinking at Trump Boat Parade on Lake Travis

Is this a bad omen?

Poseidon declared a terrorist.

[San Lumen]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics ... index.html

Anita hill says she will vote for Biden and work with him on gender issues. Perhaps she could get a position in the administration if he wins?

[Outer Sparta]

Multiple boats in distress, sinking at Trump Boat Parade on Lake Travis

Is this a bad omen?

There was one catching fire on Lake Havasu.

[Rusozak]

Multiple boats in distress, sinking at Trump Boat Parade on Lake Travis

Is this a bad omen?

There was one catching fire on Lake Havasu.

A boat on fire in the middle of a lake feels like a metaphor for something.

[Outer Sparta]

There was one catching fire on Lake Havasu.

A boat on fire in the middle of a lake feels like a metaphor for something.

And that was what Fox News called the Spanish Armada.

[Post War America]

You mean the Greece whose coast guard literally just dumped hundreds of migrants into the Med? Or the Germany that's not part of Eastern or Southern Europe?

Firstly, please excuse a simple geographic error.

Secondly, extreme-leftism leads to economic, government, social, moral, and security decay. Which causes desperation which leads to unfortunate desperate measures. Frankly, those mass influxes of immigrants aren’t Greece’s responsibility, I mean they can barely support their own people let alone thousands upon thousands of newly arrivals. Yet even with the metaphorical “there’s no more room” sign they continue to press against the gates undeterred.

They can barely support their own people because of neoliberal austerity measures imposed on them by economically dominant European Union members. Neoliberalism is hardly what I would call a leftist ideology.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Multiple boats in distress, sinking at Trump Boat Parade on Lake Travis

Is this a bad omen?

Poseidon declared a terrorist.

Actual footage of Donald Trump starting a fight with water: https://youtu.be/h9Md-1f9lrA