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2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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Rusozak
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:54 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
If Trump was like Reagan there wouldn't be any flags flying. A war to the death between two nuclear superpowers is the kind of war no one walks away from.

Did Reagan start a nuclear war?


No, I was just using your own words. But I don't see any other way to topple the PRC in the span of 4 years.
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Jerzylvania
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:13 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Republicans threatening a good time.



Trump, the Law And Order President: "Y'all should go out and crime me back into power"


Trump's whole plan for 2020 is basically "win by any means, even if they aren't fair."


He knows if he fails - it's jail. An ex-president can be indicted.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:15 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Trump's whole plan for 2020 is basically "win by any means, even if they aren't fair."


He knows if he fails - it's jail. An ex-president can be indicted.

Unless they get pardoned by their successor.

Which I don't think Joe and the Dems are too keen on doing.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:17 pm

New haven america wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
He knows if he fails - it's jail. An ex-president can be indicted.

Unless they get pardoned by their successor.

Which I don't think Joe and the Dems are too keen on doing.

President Haley may be inclined to do something different.
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Postby Aureumterra » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:20 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Did Reagan start a nuclear war?


No, I was just using your own words. But I don't see any other way to topple the PRC in the span of 4 years.

The same was said about the Soviet Union until the 20th Century’s Holy Trinity (Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul II) toppled it and subsequently contained communism
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:21 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kannap wrote:Starting to get campaign materials in the mail, got a card that accused Biden of being taken over by the "radical left" and as I was looking at it my only thought was 'damn, I wish.'

Republicans threatening a good time.



Trump, the Law And Order President: "Y'all should go out and crime me back into power"

There we have it. Donald Trump is definitely protecting our elections. Assuming, of course, that our elections elect him.
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Jerzylvania
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:35 pm

New haven america wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
He knows if he fails - it's jail. An ex-president can be indicted.

Unless they get pardoned by their successor.
Which I don't think Joe and the Dems are too keen on doing.

Donny's slanderous mouth has killed any slim chance of Joe pardoning him.
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New haven america wrote:

She'd put it off until her last day in office, if she ever got elected in the first place. And by then perhaps Trump's advancing dementia wouldn't allow him to recall he'd been POTUS anyway. Why bother?
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Postby Post War America » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:41 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
If Trump was like Reagan there wouldn't be any flags flying. A war to the death between two nuclear superpowers is the kind of war no one walks away from.

Did Reagan start a nuclear war?


We came dangerously close in '83, and I don't exactly trust the notion of Donald Trump, but with Reagan's zeal being a cooler head that could prevent it.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:43 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
If Trump was like Reagan there wouldn't be any flags flying. A war to the death between two nuclear superpowers is the kind of war no one walks away from.

Did Reagan start a nuclear war?

Almost, yes.

He also destroyed the country's middle class and effectively turned the US into a Republican controlled oligarchy.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:47 pm

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/sta ... 12034?s=20

New Arizona poll has Martha McSally (R) losing by 17 to Mark Kelly!!!!

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Postby Rusozak » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:55 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
No, I was just using your own words. But I don't see any other way to topple the PRC in the span of 4 years.

The same was said about the Soviet Union until the 20th Century’s Holy Trinity (Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul II) toppled it and subsequently contained communism


In 4 years? The fall of the Eastern Bloc was a decade in the making. You made it sound like Trump would have dismantled the PRC by now near the end of a single term. And single-handed, since I don't see who else can be part of a "new" trinity.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:56 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
No, I was just using your own words. But I don't see any other way to topple the PRC in the span of 4 years.

The same was said about the Soviet Union until the 20th Century’s Holy Trinity (Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul II) toppled it and subsequently contained communism

lol, no.

The fall of the USSR took at least 20 years and most of that was from internal rot instead of outside forces.
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Jerzylvania
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1301280020682412034?s=20

New Arizona poll has Martha McSally (R) losing by 17 to Mark Kelly!!!!


Zowie. And I can't see Biden losing AZ to Trump if McSally gets trounced there that badly. An AZ win allows Biden to lose any one of the rust belt three - WI, MI or PA and still win the EC. ;)
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:02 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1301280020682412034?s=20

New Arizona poll has Martha McSally (R) losing by 17 to Mark Kelly!!!!


Zowie. And I can't see Biden losing AZ to Trump if McSally gets trounced there that badly. An AZ win allows Biden to lose any one of the rust belt three - WI, MI or PA and still win the EC. ;)

I agree with that assessment. Wisconsin is the one I’m most concerned about
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Zowie. And I can't see Biden losing AZ to Trump if McSally gets trounced there that badly. An AZ win allows Biden to lose any one of the rust belt three - WI, MI or PA and still win the EC. ;)

I agree with that assessment. Wisconsin is the one I’m most concerned about


PA for me, which would narrow the thing down to 2 districts. But even then, NE-2 would most likely give him 270 for the win if ME-2 didn't in the earlier time zone. But methinks it's not gonna get that close.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:20 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I agree with that assessment. Wisconsin is the one I’m most concerned about


PA for me, which would narrow the thing down to 2 districts. But even then, NE-2 would most likely give him 270 for the win if ME-2 didn't in the earlier time zone. But methinks it's not gonna get that close.

I dont think Pennsylvania is going to be all that close to be honest and newest polling I've seen has shown no evidence of tightening.

For example Biden is up ten in newest Wisconsin poll: https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/stat ... 21760?s=20

Biden leads by nine in same poll that had McSally down by 17: https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/ ... key-states


New Quinnipiac national poll has Biden up ten: https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-de ... aseID=3671

In the latter case it is statistical impossibility for Biden to win the popular vote by ten and lose the electoral college.
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Postby Aureumterra » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:25 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:The same was said about the Soviet Union until the 20th Century’s Holy Trinity (Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul II) toppled it and subsequently contained communism


In 4 years? The fall of the Eastern Bloc was a decade in the making. You made it sound like Trump would have dismantled the PRC by now near the end of a single term. And single-handed, since I don't see who else can be part of a "new" trinity.

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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
PA for me, which would narrow the thing down to 2 districts. But even then, NE-2 would most likely give him 270 for the win if ME-2 didn't in the earlier time zone. But methinks it's not gonna get that close.

I dont think Pennsylvania is going to be all that close to be honest and newest polling I've seen has shown no evidence of tightening.

For example Biden is up ten in newest Wisconsin poll: https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/stat ... 21760?s=20


New Quinnipiac national poll has Biden up ten: https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-de ... aseID=3671

In the latter case it is statistical impossibility for Biden to win the popular vote by ten and lose the electoral college.


PA is pretty schizoid with the polling from there. Biden having been born there should help... but as a cautionary tale.... don't ever ask Al Gore about Tennessee and the mess in 2000.
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Postby Loben III » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:30 pm

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:32 pm



Trump is openly encouraging criminal activity. If any other elected official said that they'd be indicted

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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:36 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Loben III wrote:vote early, vote often.


Trump is openly encouraging criminal activity. If any other elected official said that they'd be indicted


Give it four or five months and he might be. Trump is also publicly defending indicted murder suspect Kyle Rittenhouse while proclaiming Biden causes violence. Donny is totally bonkers.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:39 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Trump is openly encouraging criminal activity. If any other elected official said that they'd be indicted


Give it four or five months and he might be. Trump is also publicly defending indicted murder suspect Kyle Rittenhouse while proclaiming Biden causes violence. Donny is totally bonkers.


The President cannot be indicted. He can't be indicted until noon at January 20th.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:40 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Trump is openly encouraging criminal activity. If any other elected official said that they'd be indicted


Give it four or five months and he might be. Trump is also publicly defending indicted murder suspect Kyle Rittenhouse while proclaiming Biden causes violence. Donny is totally bonkers.

Trump is right to defend Rittenhouse, though.
New haven america wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Did Reagan start a nuclear war?

Almost, yes.

He also destroyed the country's middle class and effectively turned the US into a Republican controlled oligarchy.

I doubt one man is capable of all that.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Give it four or five months and he might be. Trump is also publicly defending indicted murder suspect Kyle Rittenhouse while proclaiming Biden causes violence. Donny is totally bonkers.


The President cannot be indicted. He can't be indicted until noon at January 20th.


Do tell. That's four months and 18 days away. It's creeping up faster and faster. :clap:
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:46 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Give it four or five months and he might be. Trump is also publicly defending indicted murder suspect Kyle Rittenhouse while proclaiming Biden causes violence. Donny is totally bonkers.

Trump is right to defend Rittenhouse, though.

Explain.
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