2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[The Black Forrest]

Aw! The poor maligned Trump org. I am putting this here as it involves two of Trumps election tactics. Sleep Joe and defunding the police.

It seems they have resorted to video modification to present a false impressions.

Harry Belefonte was being interviewed and dozed off during the interview. He is in his 90s. Trumps people took that interview and edited it to make it look like Biden and add sound effects for snoring. Dan Scavino uploaded it to twitter and got caught.

And of course Steve Scalise and modifying the video of the ALS sufferer Ady Barkan. He speaks using computer assistence and they add words “for police” on a question about redirecting funds to mental health services.

“we can redirect some of the funding," for police departments toward mental health services,

https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/dan-scav ... red-video/


I guess antifa made them do it after kicking sand in their eyes.

[Northern Davincia]

Jumping to antisemitism here says more about you than it does Trump.

And what does that say?

If you hear "secret organization of rich and powerful people," and instantly think of Jews, the stereotype has overcome the reality that rich people get away with a lot.
It's not a stretch to believe that such powerful individuals are conspiring together when they have the means to do so, but at the moment we lack the evidence to confirm it.

[Liriena]

I've gotta say, though... the way Trump has mishandled the pandemic may well be the thing that finally makes him beat Bush Jr. and earn the title of "worst asshole to sit in the Oval Office since Andrew Jackson". It's not quite an Iraq-level atrocity yet, imo, but it's getting there.

[Northern Davincia]

I've gotta say, though... the way Trump has mishandled the pandemic may well be the thing that finally makes him beat Bush Jr. and earn the title of "worst asshole to sit in the Oval Office since Andrew Jackson". It's not quite an Iraq-level atrocity yet, imo, but it's getting there.

Buchanan and/or Andrew Johnson will hold that title for me.

Sure, but this type of conspiracy is virtually identical to Illuminati or Freemason ones. It's not anti-Semitic, it's just weird.

I don't think it was anti-semetic. It's more Trump is a desperate idiot.

But it's not a large step to get to anti-semetism either, just mentioning a few prominent left-leaning Jews and your're there.

The shit iv'e seen on Soros is fucking disgusting.

Much of it is coincidental, given the disproportionate number of Jews in high society. Soros is just a less cool version of Koch.

[Liriena]

Aw! The poor maligned Trump org. I am putting this here as it involves two of Trumps election tactics. Sleep Joe and defunding the police.

It seems they have resorted to video modification to present a false impressions.

Harry Belefonte was being interviewed and dozed off during the interview. He is in his 90s. Trumps people took that interview and edited it to make it look like Biden and add sound effects for snoring. Dan Scavino uploaded it to twitter and got caught.

And of course Steve Scalise and modifying the video of the ALS sufferer Ady Barkan. He speaks using computer assistence and they add words “for police” on a question about redirecting funds to mental health services.

“we can redirect some of the funding," for police departments toward mental health services,

https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/dan-scav ... red-video/


I guess antifa made them do it after kicking sand in their eyes.

Yeah, I heard of that.

What does it say about American conservatism that making shit up is its go-to tactic?

[The Black Forrest]

And what does that say?

If you hear "secret organization of rich and powerful people," and instantly think of Jews, the stereotype has overcome the reality that rich people get away with a lot.
It's not a stretch to believe that such powerful individuals are conspiring together when they have the means to do so, but at the moment we lack the evidence to confirm it.

Oh it happens in many areas. The show “The Umbrella Academy” got hit with antisemitism claims because a character spoke Yiddish and was trying to control something. Never mind she spoke many languages and that thing she was trying to control was the time line. Finance, economics and general power was not in play for her. The writer had to respond to the claims.

[Ifreann]

Holy crap it just occurred to me, Trump's talking about grips, ACs and soundies.

They played the clip again from the Fox News interview and the vague paranoid talk was about someone on a plane to the convention with people in black with gear...

...that's crew. Grips (lighting guys, though technically that's separated into 'electric' so that electric sets lights, grips build stands and cut light. If that division feels silly and arbitrary, it is!) assistant camera, sound mixers, they all wear black. And they have gear. When we unload off a plane we all gather up dozens of pelican cases and boxes and other gear. Some might even treat delicate stuff as carry on, especially ACs who are all aspiring cinematographers and photographers.

He literally saw his own press and got spooked.

Or, you know, made this shit up out of whole cloth because fearmongering is his only move.

Apparently there were some viral Facebook posts with basically the same content as Trump's ramblings, "I saw a bunch of people in black getting off a plane to [local city], one had an Antifa America tattoo, scary scary, fear fear", back in June. Wouldn't be surprising if some of that nonsense had gotten into Trump's head, and seeing some crew around the RNC had kicked his famous memory into gear.

[San Lumen]

https://busr.ag/polls

Biden leads by five in new Nevada poll

[United States of Devonta]

https://busr.ag/polls

Biden leads by five in new Nevada poll

Finally some NV polling!

Democrats have been historically underestimated here! So this is good for Biden. Trump was suppose to win this state according to polls in 2016. On average I think Dems are underestimated by 5% in NV.

Also, this poll has almost 20% 3rd Party/Undecideds so that's a meh. Probably says more about the unrated pollster then anything.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Do you want him to? There's a strong streak of anti-China sentiment and Trump has worn out his tongue "calling out" the Chinese who he hasn't laid a finger on yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China-Uni ... _trade_war

The "trade war" ended before the "China virus" hit. There was a ""peace treaty"" ...

January 15: U.S. President Donald Trump and China's Vice Premier Liu He signed the US–China Phase One trade deal in Washington DC.[205][206] The "Economic and Trade Agreement between the United States of America and the People’s Republic of China" is set to take effect from 14 February 2020 and focuses on intellectual property rights (Chapter 1), technology transfer (Chapter 2), food and agricultural products (Chapter 3), financial services (Chapter 4), exchange rate matters and transparency (Chapter 5), and expanding trade (Chapter 6), with reference also being made to bilateral evaluation and dispute resolution procedures in Chapter 7.[207] Unlike other trade agreements, the US–China Phase One agreement did not rely on arbitration through an intergovernmental organization like the World Trade Organization, but rather through a bilateral mechanism.[208][209]
January 17: Official figures from China showed its 2019 economic growth rate falling amid the trade war to a 30-year low.[210][211]
February 5: Data from the Commerce Department of the United States showed the country's trade deficit falling amid the trade war for the first time in 6 years.[212]
February 17: China grants tariff exemptions on 696 US goods to support purchases.[213]
March 5: The United States Trade Representative granted exemptions to tariffs on various types of medical equipment, after calls from American lawmakers and others to remove tariffs on these products in light of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States.[214][215]
May 12: The Chinese government announced exemptions for tariffs on 79 additional US goods.[216]
As of June, China had risen to become the United States' top trading partner again, amid the global crisis caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. However, the countries were not on track to meet the targets from the trade deal, which would have been a challenge even under strong economic conditions, according to Chad Brown of the Peterson Institute for International Economics and Chenjun Pan of Rabobank. The economic damage and barriers to trade caused by the pandemic made those targets even harder to reach.[216][217]

For all his ranting about the virus being China's fault, he has not lifted a finger against China.

The "trade war was about trade" ... gee fancy that ... the "virus war" has not happened ... and the "human rights war" hasn't either.

You may see the "wars" as interchangeable: any action against China is punishment for all sins. But I guarantee the Chinese do not.

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https://busr.ag/polls

Biden leads by five in new Nevada poll

I would certainly hope so. If the Democratic candidate doesn't easily win Nevada they don't have a chance in hell of winning the election. Biden better focus on Florida, he will need its votes.

[San Lumen]

https://busr.ag/polls

Biden leads by five in new Nevada poll

Finally some NV polling!

Democrats have been historically underestimated here! So this is good for Biden. Trump was suppose to win this state according to polls in 2016. On average I think Dems are underestimated by 5% in NV.

Also, this poll has almost 20% 3rd Party/Undecideds so that's a meh. Probably says more about the unrated pollster then anything.

Nevada seems to be fools gold for Republicans at this point. Clark County which is 75 percent of the population is trending blue. Las Vegas is the county seat.

Washoe County which is Reno used to be red but trended blue in recent years. There is simply not enough population in the remaining 15 counties to overcome that. Carson city is not a county but im counting it as one for simplicities sake.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

https://busr.ag/polls

Biden leads by five in new Nevada poll

Finally some NV polling!

Democrats have been historically underestimated here! So this is good for Biden. Trump was suppose to win this state according to polls in 2016. On average I think Dems are underestimated by 5% in NV.

As others have said, the polling should be more accurate this year. Something about weighting the sample for education.

Also, this poll has almost 20% 3rd Party/Undecideds so that's a meh. Probably says more about the unrated pollster then anything.

The 5% Other Candidate is quite plausible. I don't think it was a pollster error last time, that the 3rd party vote collapsed between the last polls and the actual election. I think some people hate both major parties, so they say a 3rd party, but on election day they can't be bothered going, just to cast a 'protest vote'. Or they do vote for the lesser of two evils after all.

Other than grilling the poll respondent about whether they really truly double-dog do intend to vote, there's not much pollsters can do.

On the bright side, maybe more of those Green and Libertarian 'phantom voters' will actually vote that way, this year. Because of high postal voting.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Another thing occurs to me. Perhaps poll respondents are using the opinion poll to express their 'protest vote' but don't honestly intend to 'waste their vote' where it matters. They're lying to the pollster, but probably not feeling too bad about that.

There's a choice between 'signal voting' for your real favorite, knowing it will be wasted.
Or casting an effective vote, but at the cost of choosing your second-favorite instead.
A much debated point here on NSG. Actually I cannot say which is better.

Well in IRV you can do both, but that's not the point. By making your signal to the pollster, and that getting out to the people; while in the polling booth applying the power of your vote more effectively ... you can sort of have both. Though it is sort-of lying!

Pollsters could compensate for it, by asking two questions: "who would you vote for if you knew all candidates had an equal chance"; and "who do you expect to actually vote for on Election Day?" Maybe this has actually been tried ...

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Another thing occurs to me. Perhaps poll respondents are using the opinion poll to express their 'protest vote' but don't honestly intend to 'waste their vote' where it matters. They're lying to the pollster, but probably not feeling too bad about that.

There's a choice between 'signal voting' for your real favorite, knowing it will be wasted.
Or casting an effective vote, but at the cost of choosing your second-favorite instead.
A much debated point here on NSG. Actually I cannot say which is better.

Well in IRV you can do both, but that's not the point. By making your signal to the pollster, and that getting out to the people; while in the polling booth applying the power of your vote more effectively ... you can sort of have both. Though it is sort-of lying!

Pollsters could compensate for it, by asking two questions: "who would you vote for if you knew all candidates had an equal chance"; and "who do you expect to actually vote for on Election Day?" Maybe this has actually been tried ...

Even though I decided to vote for Biden as harm reduction I really don't want to say it out loud. I wouldn't lie to a pollster but I would probably answer with a self-hating groan.

I am not going to feel good when I fill out my ballot.

[Valrifell]

Another thing occurs to me. Perhaps poll respondents are using the opinion poll to express their 'protest vote' but don't honestly intend to 'waste their vote' where it matters. They're lying to the pollster, but probably not feeling too bad about that.

There's a choice between 'signal voting' for your real favorite, knowing it will be wasted.
Or casting an effective vote, but at the cost of choosing your second-favorite instead.
A much debated point here on NSG. Actually I cannot say which is better.

Well in IRV you can do both, but that's not the point. By making your signal to the pollster, and that getting out to the people; while in the polling booth applying the power of your vote more effectively ... you can sort of have both. Though it is sort-of lying!

Pollsters could compensate for it, by asking two questions: "who would you vote for if you knew all candidates had an equal chance"; and "who do you expect to actually vote for on Election Day?" Maybe this has actually been tried ...

Even though I decided to vote for Biden as harm reduction I really don't want to say it out loud. I wouldn't lie to a pollster but I would probably answer with a self-hating groan.

I am not going to feel good when I fill out my ballot.

Don't worry, it's only four years of "do no harm"

You'll spend way more time being dead! Too dark?

[Kowani]

Another thing occurs to me. Perhaps poll respondents are using the opinion poll to express their 'protest vote' but don't honestly intend to 'waste their vote' where it matters. They're lying to the pollster, but probably not feeling too bad about that.

There's a choice between 'signal voting' for your real favorite, knowing it will be wasted.
Or casting an effective vote, but at the cost of choosing your second-favorite instead.
A much debated point here on NSG. Actually I cannot say which is better.

Well in IRV you can do both, but that's not the point. By making your signal to the pollster, and that getting out to the people; while in the polling booth applying the power of your vote more effectively ... you can sort of have both. Though it is sort-of lying!

Pollsters could compensate for it, by asking two questions: "who would you vote for if you knew all candidates had an equal chance"; and "who do you expect to actually vote for on Election Day?" Maybe this has actually been tried ...

Even though I decided to vote for Biden as harm reduction I really don't want to say it out loud. I wouldn't lie to a pollster but I would probably answer with a self-hating groan.

I am not going to feel good when I fill out my ballot.

Bring some antacids.
And a copy of the Bread Book.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Another thing occurs to me. Perhaps poll respondents are using the opinion poll to express their 'protest vote' but don't honestly intend to 'waste their vote' where it matters. They're lying to the pollster, but probably not feeling too bad about that.

There's a choice between 'signal voting' for your real favorite, knowing it will be wasted.
Or casting an effective vote, but at the cost of choosing your second-favorite instead.
A much debated point here on NSG. Actually I cannot say which is better.

Well in IRV you can do both, but that's not the point. By making your signal to the pollster, and that getting out to the people; while in the polling booth applying the power of your vote more effectively ... you can sort of have both. Though it is sort-of lying!

Pollsters could compensate for it, by asking two questions: "who would you vote for if you knew all candidates had an equal chance"; and "who do you expect to actually vote for on Election Day?" Maybe this has actually been tried ...

Even though I decided to vote for Biden as harm reduction I really don't want to say it out loud. I wouldn't lie to a pollster but I would probably answer with a self-hating groan.

I am not going to feel good when I fill out my ballot.

Just tell the pollster "no thanks" right at the beginning.
Also, the down-ticket matters too! In case you're tempted to stay home ...

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Even though I decided to vote for Biden as harm reduction I really don't want to say it out loud. I wouldn't lie to a pollster but I would probably answer with a self-hating groan.

I am not going to feel good when I fill out my ballot.

Just tell the pollster "no thanks" right at the beginning.
Also, the down-ticket matters too! In case you're tempted to stay home ...

Technically I am staying home. I'm an expat, I get my ballot in the mail.

Anyway though, I do usually vote Dem down ballot. I voted for a libertarian once but he was a left libertarian. Too bad he didn't win, he's a cool guy.

[San Lumen]

Even though I decided to vote for Biden as harm reduction I really don't want to say it out loud. I wouldn't lie to a pollster but I would probably answer with a self-hating groan.

I am not going to feel good when I fill out my ballot.

Just tell the pollster "no thanks" right at the beginning.
Also, the down-ticket matters too! In case you're tempted to stay home ...

Yes a lot of people forget that. Not just president is up.There is the entire house and a third of the senate. Many states have state legislative elections too and depending on where you are municipal elections as well such as district attorney, sheriff, mayor and city council and county legislature.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Even though I decided to vote for Biden as harm reduction I really don't want to say it out loud. I wouldn't lie to a pollster but I would probably answer with a self-hating groan.

I am not going to feel good when I fill out my ballot.

Bring some antacids.
And a copy of the Bread Book.

I love voting. That rare feeling of doing something good when I'm out in public.

Sometimes I even have a cheap sausage, burned on one side and served on white bread. That's how patriotic voting makes me feel!

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Just tell the pollster "no thanks" right at the beginning.
Also, the down-ticket matters too! In case you're tempted to stay home ...

Technically I am staying home. I'm an expat, I get my ballot in the mail.

Anyway though, I do usually vote Dem down ballot. I voted for a libertarian once but he was a left libertarian. Too bad he didn't win, he's a cool guy.

That's a positive motivator too!

Somewhere on the ballot must be someone who isn't an opportunistic sack of shit ... is he any good with dogs, though? ... oh what's it matter. Vermin Supreme for County Dogcatcher!

[San Lumen]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/01/us/p ... ction.html

Biden raised 300 million dollars in August which means its quite possible he has more cash on hand then Trump right now

[San Lumen]

https://nmcdn.io/e186d21f8c7946a19faed2 ... 083120.pdf

New poll has trump leading by 4 in Montana and Kathleen Williams (D) leading by 3 for Congress over Matthew Rosendale. The seat is open due to the incumbent Greg Gianforte running for Governor. Winning the seat would be a huge win for Democrats. A Democrat last won the seat in 1994.

If Biden is doing that well its possible Democrats hold the governorship and win the senate seat.

[Asle Leopolka]

Joe Biden's team brings official campaign signs to 'Animal Crossing'

The pandemic has forced the Biden-Harris campaign team to get creative, from live-streamed events to socially distanced interviews. But we didn’t see this coming. Beginning today, Animal Crossing: New Horizons players can add official Biden-Harris campaign signs to their island yards, The Verge reports.

At the moment, there are four sign designs -- the official Biden-Harris logo, the Team Joe logo, a “Joe” Pride logo and an image of red, white and blue aviators. To add the signs to their yards, players will scan QR codes through the Nintendo Switch Online app. The campaign has also sent the signs to a handful of gaming influencers, who will share them throughout the day tomorrow.

Interesting strategy. I doubt they'll pull in many new voters with this, as it looks like most players are not eligible to vote or are already on team D, but it's definitely a novel approach.