2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[San Lumen]

Indeed. For me it’s because I am worse off then what I was four years ago.

I am better off under 4 years of Republican President Trump, than I was worse off under 8 years of Democrat Obama, and I need 4 more years of Trump, lol.

What exactly has Trump done to make things better for you?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I am better off under 4 years of Republican President Trump, than I was worse off under 8 years of Democrat Obama, and I need 4 more years of Trump, lol.

What exactly has Trump done to make things better for you?

He's put back the travel ban to Cuba which Obama relaxed. No wait, seems he hasn't. The main restriction remaining is you can only fly into Havana airport. But those damn Commies still gonna get ya. As a condition of entering Cuba you have to pay a $25 fee and all that it gets you is Cuban healthcare for free, while you're there. Who'd want to go to such a hell hole?

[The Black Forrest]

What exactly has Trump done to make things better for you?

He's put back the travel ban to Cuba which Obama relaxed. No wait, seems he hasn't. The main restriction remaining is you can only fly into Havana airport. But those damn Commies still gonna get ya. As a condition of entering Cuba you have to pay a $25 fee and all that it gets you is Cuban healthcare for free, while you're there. Who'd want to go to such a hell hole?

My mom went there. She said it was interesting and the people were kind to her.

[Telconi]

I am better off under 4 years of Republican President Trump, than I was worse off under 8 years of Democrat Obama, and I need 4 more years of Trump, lol.

What exactly has Trump done to make things better for you?

Why does he need to make anything better?

[Blargoblarg]

Green Candidates Hawkins and Walker To Sue Wisconsin For Ballot Access

Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker have retained the law firm of von Briesen & Roper, s.c., to challenge the Elections Commission’s decision to deny ballot access to the Green Party presidential and vice presidential nominees.

The litigation will be filed this week. Hawkins said, “Thousands of voters in Wisconsin signed petitions to put us on the ballot and we are suing to protect their right to have choices beyond the two parties funded by the millionaires and billionaires. We are confident that the Wisconsin courts will recognize that our campaign has shown sufficient public support to be placed on the ballot. The Democratic Commission members have committed a crime against democracy by suppressing voter choice.”

Angela Walker, a Wisconsin native who ran for office in Milwaukee and worked with Wisconsin unions, said, “The Democratic Party is behaving like the anti-Democratic Party by working to keep the Green Party off the ballot. Thousands of voters in Wisconsin reject both former Vice President Joe Biden or President Donald Trump. These voters deserve more choices. Unlike the two corporate parties, we put the interests of the people before corporations, and we put the protection of the planet ahead of protection of big business profits.”

[Nobel Hobos 2]

What exactly has Trump done to make things better for you?

Why does he need to make anything better?

I am better off under 4 years of Republican President Trump, than I was worse off under 8 years of Democrat Obama, and I need 4 more years of Trump, lol.

What exactly has Trump done to make things better for you?

[The Black Forrest]

Green Candidates Hawkins and Walker To Sue Wisconsin For Ballot Access

Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker have retained the law firm of von Briesen & Roper, s.c., to challenge the Elections Commission’s decision to deny ballot access to the Green Party presidential and vice presidential nominees.

The litigation will be filed this week. Hawkins said, “Thousands of voters in Wisconsin signed petitions to put us on the ballot and we are suing to protect their right to have choices beyond the two parties funded by the millionaires and billionaires. We are confident that the Wisconsin courts will recognize that our campaign has shown sufficient public support to be placed on the ballot. The Democratic Commission members have committed a crime against democracy by suppressing voter choice.”

Angela Walker, a Wisconsin native who ran for office in Milwaukee and worked with Wisconsin unions, said, “The Democratic Party is behaving like the anti-Democratic Party by working to keep the Green Party off the ballot. Thousands of voters in Wisconsin reject both former Vice President Joe Biden or President Donald Trump. These voters deserve more choices. Unlike the two corporate parties, we put the interests of the people before corporations, and we put the protection of the planet ahead of protection of big business profits.”

Question: How many people vote Green in Wisconsin anyway?

If the rules say 2000 signatures needed and they had over 3000? Should been been on the ballot.

[Telconi]

Why does he need to make anything better?

I am better off under 4 years of Republican President Trump, than I was worse off under 8 years of Democrat Obama, and I need 4 more years of Trump, lol.

What exactly has Trump done to make things better for you?

Did you have a point, or did you just get a tad carried away with that quote button?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Green Candidates Hawkins and Walker To Sue Wisconsin For Ballot Access

Question: How many people vote Green in Wisconsin anyway?

If the rules say 2000 signatures needed and they had over 3000? Should been been on the ballot.

Some of the signatures will always be invalid (hostile voters who deliberately gave a false name or address, or neutral voters who felt like they "should" sign but didn't want to use their real address, etc). So you should aim for as many as possible: 3000 is a bit on the low side really.

Assuming there wasn't a lot of fraud (*cough Democrats sabotaging the petition cough*) I think the best avenue of appeal would be sampling error. The Electoral Commission probably just took a random signature (or two) off each page and estimated the invalid rate from that. It could be bad luck that they got a lot of dud signatures.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Did you have a point, or did you just get a tad carried away with that quote button?

Greater Miami Shores was asked a question, direct to the point of his personal claim.

You're questioning the question, without even considering what was being questioned. It's fucking vacuous shitposting man. That's my point.

[Telconi]

Did you have a point, or did you just get a tad carried away with that quote button?

Greater Miami Shores was asked a question, direct to the point of his personal claim.

You're questioning the question, without even considering what was being questioned. It's fucking vacuous shitposting man. That's my point.

No, I considered what was being questioned, hence why I questioned it. And if you want to accuse someone of 'vacuous shitposting' you probably shouldn't do it via vacuous shitpost.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Greater Miami Shores was asked a question, direct to the point of his personal claim.

You're questioning the question, without even considering what was being questioned. It's fucking vacuous shitposting man. That's my point.

No, I considered what was being questioned, hence why I questioned it.

I actually don't believe you.

And if you want to accuse someone of 'vacuous shitposting' you probably shouldn't do it via vacuous shitpost.

OK, short words then.:
GMS: Trump good for me
SL: How Trump good for you?
T: Why matter Trump good?

Because GMS claimed so, Telconi! For the sake of argument, SL grants that Trump good (for GMS). SL is not disputing it. He's asking why.

Intervening to question why it matters is fricken brainless. Seriously, are you playing Gran Turismo at the same time you're posting?

Don't pretend you're really that dumb. You're treating the forum with contempt by not using even a fraction of the brain you do have.

That is. Shitposting.

So I'll answer your question entirely out of context. See how you like it:

Why does he need to make anything better?

The president needs to have made something better for SOMEONE, since he's clearly made things worse for OTHERS.

Making things worse for some, without making anything better for anyone == deadbeat shit-for-brains asshole President.

[Telconi]

No, I considered what was being questioned, hence why I questioned it.

I actually don't believe you.

And if you want to accuse someone of 'vacuous shitposting' you probably shouldn't do it via vacuous shitpost.

OK, short words then.:
GMS: Trump good for me
SL: How Trump good for you?
T: Why matter Trump good?

Because GMS claimed so, Telconi! For the sake of argument, SL grants that Trump good (for GMS). SL is not disputing it. He's asking why.

Intervening to question why it matters is fricken brainless. Seriously, are you playing Gran Turismo at the same time you're posting?

Don't pretend you're really that dumb. You're treating the forum with contempt by not using even a fraction of the brain you do have.

That is. Shitposting.

So I'll answer your question entirely out of context. See how you like it:

Why does he need to make anything better?

The president needs to have made something better for SOMEONE, since he's clearly made things worse for OTHERS.

Making things worse for some, without making anything better for anyone == deadbeat shit-for-brains asshole President.

So basically you won't like him if he hasn't. Well golly gee.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I actually don't believe you.



OK, short words then.:
GMS: Trump good for me
SL: How Trump good for you?
T: Why matter Trump good?

Because GMS claimed so, Telconi! For the sake of argument, SL grants that Trump good (for GMS). SL is not disputing it. He's asking why.

Intervening to question why it matters is fricken brainless. Seriously, are you playing Gran Turismo at the same time you're posting?

Don't pretend you're really that dumb. You're treating the forum with contempt by not using even a fraction of the brain you do have.

That is. Shitposting.

So I'll answer your question entirely out of context. See how you like it:



The president needs to have made something better for SOMEONE, since he's clearly made things worse for OTHERS.

Making things worse for some, without making anything better for anyone == deadbeat shit-for-brains asshole President.

So basically you won't like him if he hasn't. Well golly gee.

Actually I acknowledge Trump has made things better for some, but that's not enough to make me "like" him.

I have higher standards than that. Screwing up in equal measure to one's successes is not good enough. Average, is not good enough. I only "like" Presidents who are above average. Obama was above average. GHW Bush and Reagan were above average.

You want me to like Trump? You'll have to persuade me he's in their league.

[Telconi]

So basically you won't like him if he hasn't. Well golly gee.

Actually I acknowledge Trump has made things better for some, but that's not enough to make me "like" him.

I have higher standards than that. Screwing up in equal measure to one's successes is not good enough. Average, is not good enough. I only "like" Presidents who are above average. Obama was above average. GHW Bush and Reagan were above average.

You want me to like Trump? You'll have to persuade me he's in their league.

Oh God, no. I absolutely do not want you to like Trump. That'd require him to do stupid awful shit and he's been bad enough already.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/trump-som ... ide-riots/

Trump is diving deeper into the conspiracy theory that the protests are actually a coup against him, and he's basing much of it off of what one rando at the RNC told him, and people wonder why i worry that this year is gonna end either in America turning into a Venezuelan police state or a civil war, guerilla war, low intensity conflict, asymmetrical war, whatever you wanna call it. You don't stoke people up like this and then if you lose, they go home and accept the results with no violence.

[Aureumterra]

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/trump-some-very-stupid-rich-people-are-funding-nationwide-riots/

Trump is diving deeper into the conspiracy theory that the protests are actually a coup against him, and he's basing much of it off of what one rando at the RNC told him, and people wonder why i worry that this year is gonna end either in America turning into a Venezuelan police state or a civil war, guerilla war, low intensity conflict, asymmetrical war, whatever you wanna call it. You don't stoke people up like this and then if you lose, they go home and accept the results with no violence.

These posts are going to look bad when Trump walks out of the White House like a normal president after losing

[Vassenor]

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/trump-some-very-stupid-rich-people-are-funding-nationwide-riots/

Trump is diving deeper into the conspiracy theory that the protests are actually a coup against him, and he's basing much of it off of what one rando at the RNC told him, and people wonder why i worry that this year is gonna end either in America turning into a Venezuelan police state or a civil war, guerilla war, low intensity conflict, asymmetrical war, whatever you wanna call it. You don't stoke people up like this and then if you lose, they go home and accept the results with no violence.

These posts are going to look bad when Trump walks out of the White House like a normal president after losing

You mean like all the stuff about how Hillary is totally going to start WW3?

Also maybe you can explain why Trump is putting so much energy into preemptively casting doubt on the result if he's going to go quietly?

[Ifreann]

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/trump-some-very-stupid-rich-people-are-funding-nationwide-riots/

Trump is diving deeper into the conspiracy theory that the protests are actually a coup against him, and he's basing much of it off of what one rando at the RNC told him, and people wonder why i worry that this year is gonna end either in America turning into a Venezuelan police state or a civil war, guerilla war, low intensity conflict, asymmetrical war, whatever you wanna call it. You don't stoke people up like this and then if you lose, they go home and accept the results with no violence.

These posts are going to look bad when Trump walks out of the White House like a normal president after losing

Trump will walk out of the White House like a six foot tall sullen baby, board Marine One, and immediately begin tweeting that he was cheated, that Antifa attacked millions of Trump voters, that he's still the President, and whatever other deranged conspiracies have emerged from 8chan/Qanon.

[Cannot think of a name]

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/trump-some-very-stupid-rich-people-are-funding-nationwide-riots/

Trump is diving deeper into the conspiracy theory that the protests are actually a coup against him, and he's basing much of it off of what one rando at the RNC told him, and people wonder why i worry that this year is gonna end either in America turning into a Venezuelan police state or a civil war, guerilla war, low intensity conflict, asymmetrical war, whatever you wanna call it. You don't stoke people up like this and then if you lose, they go home and accept the results with no violence.

This part:

After telling the story of the RNC member who saw protesters on the plane to DC, Trump was asked by the network for details.

“I’ll tell you some time. It’s under investigation right now,” he said Monday night, also confirming the probe.

Makes me think of Ross Perot accusing the government of attacking his daughter's wedding with helicopters or some shit.

In fact, contrast and compare:

At a time when Ross Perot's candidacy once again appeared to be transforming the Presidential contest, the Texas billionaire offered a new explanation today for his decision in July to abandon the campaign. He said he had withdrawn after hearing that President Bush's campaign was scheming to smear his daughter with a computer-altered photograph and to disrupt her wedding.

Mr. Perot offered no evidence, only quoting friends and an unidentified "top Republican."

"I can't prove any of it today," he said on tonight's CBS News program "60 Minutes." "But it was a risk I did not have to take," he added, "and a risk I would not take where my daughter is concerned."
...
Mr. Perot has often spoken of threats to himself or his family and has embraced conspiracy theorists from both the far left and the far right wings of politics.

In addition to the accusations about his daughter, Mr. Perot said in an interview with The Boston Herald that he had a videotape of a senior member of the Bush campaign, whom he did not identify, talking to a contract employee of the Central Intelligence Agency in Dallas. He did not say how he got the tape or if he knew what they were discussing. Mr. Perot accused the unidentified C.I.A. employee of being hired to tap into his computerized stock trading program to prevent him from having the money to revive his campaign.

Billionaires that run for president. Though in 1992 this kind of baphoonary was disqualifying. Now, apparently good for at least one term with, what, currently a 31-32% chance of a second?

[Kexholm and Karelia]

Joe Biden is not calling out the human rights abuses committed by the Chinese Communists

[Sundiata]

Joe Biden is not calling out the human rights abuses committed by the Chinese Communists

Donald Trump mocked a disabled man and didn't condemn Saudi Arabia for murdering Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

[Zurkerx]

Before and after the Conventions: where Biden and Trump stand in 11 Key States, according to a Morning Consult Poll (B/C Rated). The breakdown:

In States that Biden improved:

In Arizona, Trump led 47% to Biden's 45%; now Biden leads 52% to 42%, which is the biggest increase of all the States.
In Georgia, Trump led Biden 47% to 46%; Biden now leads 49% to 46%.
In Michigan, Biden led Trump 50% to 44%; Biden now leads 52% to 42%.
In Wisconsin, Biden led Trump 49% to 43%; Biden now leads 52% to 43%.

Statistically unchanged:

In Colorado, Biden led and still leads Trump 51% to 41%.
In Texas, Trump led Biden 47% to 46%; Trump still leads 48% to 47%.
In Minnesota, Biden led Trump 50% to 42%; Biden still leads 50% to 43%.
In Ohio, Trump led Biden 49% to 45%; Trump still leads 50% to 45%.
In North Carolina, Biden led Trump 49% to 46%; Biden still leads 49% to 47%.
In Pennsylvania, Biden led Trump 50% to 44%; Biden still leads 49% to 45%.

There is one State that Trump had a meaningful gain though he still trails Biden:

In Florida, Biden led Trump 50% to 45%; that gap has close to Biden leading 49% to 47%.

The good news for Trump is that he has time on his side and thus can steal some of Biden's support or convince more to stay home. However, that being said, there are far less undecided/third party voters this go around, of which, back Biden more so than Trump, sometimes by a 2-1 margin based on current polls. It also doesn't help that Trump is losing independents to Biden.

In addition, the conventions did not change people's views of the candidates nationally: before and after the convention, 51% would vote for Biden to Trump's 43%. However, there was an increase in Biden's likability to 51%, up 3 points from the last time while his unfavorably fell 2% points to 46%. Trump remains statistically unchanged.

[Cannot think of a name]

Before and after the Conventions: where Biden and Trump stand in 11 Key States, according to a Morning Consult Poll (B/C Rated). The breakdown:

In States that Biden improved:

In Arizona, Trump led 47% to Biden's 45%; now Biden leads 52% to 42%, which is the biggest increase of all the States.
In Georgia, Trump led Biden 47% to 46%; Biden now leads 49% to 46%.
In Michigan, Biden led Trump 50% to 44%; Biden now leads 52% to 42%.
In Wisconsin, Biden led Trump 49% to 43%; Biden now leads 52% to 43%.

Statistically unchanged:

In Colorado, Biden led and still leads Trump 51% to 41%.
In Texas, Trump led Biden 47% to 46%; Trump still leads 48% to 47%.
In Minnesota, Biden led Trump 50% to 42%; Biden still leads 50% to 43%.
In Ohio, Trump led Biden 49% to 45%; Trump still leads 50% to 45%.
In North Carolina, Biden led Trump 49% to 46%; Biden still leads 49% to 47%.
In Pennsylvania, Biden led Trump 50% to 44%; Biden still leads 49% to 45%.

There is one State that Trump had a meaningful gain though he still trails Biden:

In Florida, Biden led Trump 50% to 45%; that gap has close to Biden leading 49% to 47%.

The good news for Trump is that he has time on his side and thus can steal some of Biden's support or convince more to stay home. However, that being said, there are far less undecided/third party voters this go around, of which, back Biden more so than Trump, sometimes by a 2-1 margin based on current polls. It also doesn't help that Trump is losing independents to Biden.

In addition, the conventions did not change people's views of the candidates nationally: before and after the convention, 51% would vote for Biden to Trump's 43%. However, there was an increase in Biden's likability to 51%, up 3 points from the last time while his unfavorably fell 2% points to 46%. Trump remains statistically unchanged.

29 days to the next event feels like soooooo long for now. That's enough time for, like, I don't know...Godzilla and King Kong to get in an intense Pog match and then for us to forget about it because something crazier already happened.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/trump-some-very-stupid-rich-people-are-funding-nationwide-riots/

Trump is diving deeper into the conspiracy theory that the protests are actually a coup against him, and he's basing much of it off of what one rando at the RNC told him, and people wonder why i worry that this year is gonna end either in America turning into a Venezuelan police state or a civil war, guerilla war, low intensity conflict, asymmetrical war, whatever you wanna call it. You don't stoke people up like this and then if you lose, they go home and accept the results with no violence.

Trump is listening to a rando from the RNC? I can't believe that. A rando from the RNC might actually know stuff ...

Unfortunately, I can imagine this working. Without leaders or a formal structure to BLM, Trump's investigator can just rank members according to their public prominence, then go down that list from the best-known on down, checking their criminal history. Find 5+ guys with bad records, and publicly name them as "the leadership" of BLM. And finding criminal or foreign money inputs would not be much harder. Could just be someone who exports cow hides to China.

Trump wouldn't even need to have "the leadership" charged with anything. But he could also do that: there wouldn't be a trial before the election. Criminal record, public accusation of crimes, arrested and charged ... you know this is enough for many people.

If BLM was really determined to be a grassroots protest movement without leadership, they could-still have put up a dozen people (supposedly) in a heirarchy, with a leader or ruling council and publicized these people's names. Of course be sure none of them have criminal records or connection to criminals or foreigners. It's not necessary they actually be leaders, only that to the broad public they appear so. That would give them cover so when Trump's investigator cherry picks a half dozen bad people from BLM, they're only "associates" or "members" of BLM. They're not on this list of leaders we released? Therefore they're small fry.

So what BLM has done is leave themselves wide open to a witch hunt.

But it might be worse than that! What if they DO have a leadership, and they've just been hiding it? Rational fear of being arrested and held responsible for riots perhaps, or the dubious idea that the movement will grow more readily if everyone enters as an equal ... or the leaders are bad people after all, hiding because they have good reason to fear arrest. Then when they're ratted out by their chain of command getting arrested and taking a plea, they will hand Trump not just the appearance but the fact of busting the "BLM conspiracy" wide open.

It worries me that Trump isn't ranting crazy conspiracy stuff this time. It's not about him (isn't that suspicious in itself?). He's not exaggerating as usual, in fact he's under-stating. It's "stupid rich people" not foreigners or terrorists. Either this is no big deal to him so he has nothing to say, or it's a fucking huge election-winning deal and he doesn't want to blow it before it's ready to blow.

Whether he has to fabricate a leadership of bad dudes, or there's an actual leadership of bad dudes, I'm worried this could be a huge win for Trump.