2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Cordel One]

Great statement from Biden because he's right. Just as I've condemned endlessly the violence perpetrated by thugs on the alt-right, we cannot condone radicals more ideologically aligned with myself committing similar acts of violence.

It's not rocket science for somebody to feel disgusted at either, and I'm glad Biden can take the stance of a unifier, not a divider similar to the current President.

Somewhat related

Also why I don't support Biden

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Great statement from Biden because he's right. Just as I've condemned endlessly the violence perpetrated by thugs on the alt-right, we cannot condone radicals more ideologically aligned with myself committing similar acts of violence.

It's not rocket science for somebody to feel disgusted at either, and I'm glad Biden can take the stance of a unifier, not a divider similar to the current President.

Looting is wrong no matter what tho. Its right to condemn lootimg and burning small businesses.

[Cordel One]

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Looting is wrong no matter what tho. Its right to condemn lootimg and burning small businesses.

Looting small businesses is bad, sure. I still can't say I oppose radical tactics.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Looting is wrong no matter what tho. Its right to condemn lootimg and burning small businesses.

Small businesses, sure.

I fall in the middle on violence. I think sometimes in life, when someone is fucking with you, you gotta get ugly. At the same time, you shouldn't harm bystanders. The frank matter of fact is that Domello's Italian bistro didn't kill nobody. The police did.

[Andsed]

Biden condemns the violence:

The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable. Shooting in the streets of a great American city is unacceptable. I condemn this violence unequivocally. I condemn violence of every kind by anyone, whether on the left or the right. And I challenge Donald Trump to do the same. It does not matter if you find the political views of your opponents abhorrent, any loss of life is a tragedy. Today there is another family grieving in America, and Jill and I offer our deepest condolences.

We must not become a country at war with ourselves. A country that accepts the killing of fellow Americans who do not agree with you. A country that vows vengeance toward one another. But that is the America that President Trump wants us to be, the America he believes we are.

As a country, we must condemn the incitement of hate and resentment that led to this deadly clash. It is not a peaceful protest when you go out spoiling for a fight. What does President Trump think will happen when he continues to insist on fanning the flames of hate and division in our society and using the politics of fear to whip up his supporters? He is recklessly encouraging violence. He may believe tweeting about law and order makes him strong – but his failure to call on his supporters to stop seeking conflict shows just how weak he is. He may think that war in our streets is good for his reelection chances, but that is not presidential leadership – or even basic human compassion.

The job of a President is to lower the temperature. To bring people who disagree with one another together. To make life better for all Americans, not just those who agree with us, support us, or vote for us.

Donald Trump has been president for almost four years. The temperature in the country is higher, tensions run stronger, divisions run deeper. And all of us are less safe because Donald Trump can’t do the job of the American president.

Good on Biden.

[Organized States]

Small businesses, sure.

I fall in the middle on violence. I think sometimes in life, when someone is fucking with you, you gotta get ugly. At the same time, you shouldn't harm bystanders. The frank matter of fact is that Domello's Italian bistro didn't kill nobody. The police did.

I mean, I hear their Penne was to die for.

[Cordel One]

Small businesses, sure.

I fall in the middle on violence. I think sometimes in life, when someone is fucking with you, you gotta get ugly. At the same time, you shouldn't harm bystanders. The frank matter of fact is that Domello's Italian bistro didn't kill nobody. The police did.

I agree with that, the rioters should leave such places alone. The people looting Target don't bother me though

[Galloism]

Biden condemns the violence:

The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable. Shooting in the streets of a great American city is unacceptable. I condemn this violence unequivocally. I condemn violence of every kind by anyone, whether on the left or the right. And I challenge Donald Trump to do the same. It does not matter if you find the political views of your opponents abhorrent, any loss of life is a tragedy. Today there is another family grieving in America, and Jill and I offer our deepest condolences.

We must not become a country at war with ourselves. A country that accepts the killing of fellow Americans who do not agree with you. A country that vows vengeance toward one another. But that is the America that President Trump wants us to be, the America he believes we are.

As a country, we must condemn the incitement of hate and resentment that led to this deadly clash. It is not a peaceful protest when you go out spoiling for a fight. What does President Trump think will happen when he continues to insist on fanning the flames of hate and division in our society and using the politics of fear to whip up his supporters? He is recklessly encouraging violence. He may believe tweeting about law and order makes him strong – but his failure to call on his supporters to stop seeking conflict shows just how weak he is. He may think that war in our streets is good for his reelection chances, but that is not presidential leadership – or even basic human compassion.

The job of a President is to lower the temperature. To bring people who disagree with one another together. To make life better for all Americans, not just those who agree with us, support us, or vote for us.

Donald Trump has been president for almost four years. The temperature in the country is higher, tensions run stronger, divisions run deeper. And all of us are less safe because Donald Trump can’t do the job of the American president.

That’s a great statement.

And he’s right - domestically, the president’s most powerful tool, and also hardest to use correctly, is the microphone. Hence why we are where we are.

[Major-Tom]

Great statement from Biden because he's right. Just as I've condemned endlessly the violence perpetrated by thugs on the alt-right, we cannot condone radicals more ideologically aligned with myself committing similar acts of violence.

It's not rocket science for somebody to feel disgusted at either, and I'm glad Biden can take the stance of a unifier, not a divider similar to the current President.

Somewhat related

Also why I don't support Biden

That's a response that doesn't take into account where I stand. I'm saying I don't condone violence in any form, whether it be from alt-right thugs or even from people on my side. And I know there is a lot of fear mongering about ANTIFA and about BLM, and while I am fully supportive of protesting the administration, of protesting the police, I am fully against violence. And in this instance, somebody who I likely would hate was murdered. And even though I hate what he stood for, he didn't deserve to be murdered. Full stop. He just didn't.

And Biden condemning that violence isn't just a smart move overall, it's also a humanistic one. Why should we stoop to the level of flag-waving fascists who openly promote violence? We shouldn't and we simply can't. We're not just better than that, but that's also how we lose.

You're welcome to be a far-left radical, I could give a shit, just don't expect to achieve any major institutional or systemic progress with that message. Because to win, you have to appeal to more than just those who are already radicalized.

[Cisairse]

There seems to be worries that Joe Biden’s poor debating skills will harm him, but it is important to keep in mind that in this polarized election, nearly everyone who will be voting has already made up their mind, and due to the nature of partisan tribalism, will not change their minds no matter what. Sure, the media hysteria and hype around debates my give a false illusion that a candidate is doing better/worse, but be honest, do you really think a debate will change who you are going to vote for if you’ve already decided? Donald Trump did poorly in the 2016 debates, but due to his loyal base, as well as a lack of enthusiasm from Clinton and her supporters, he still won the 2016 election. Debates will not nearly matter as much when the sides are as polarized as they are right now.

This is a fairly foolish take. Polling both nationwide and within states consistently show that roughly 11–14% of voters have not yet decided who to vote for. In many states, including all swing states, an 11-point shift in either direction (or even a 5-point gain for one side and a 6-point gain for the other) will determine who wins the state, and, thus, the presidency.

The debates are for those people.

Not to mention that elections are often decided by turnout even more than by voter choice. If Biden has support of 52% of the population, but only 40% of his supporters vote, Trump, who (eg) has support for 48% of the population and gets 60% of his supporters to vote, will easily win.

[Bear Stearns]

Great statement from Biden because he's right. Just as I've condemned endlessly the violence perpetrated by thugs on the alt-right, we cannot condone radicals more ideologically aligned with myself committing similar acts of violence.

It's not rocket science for somebody to feel disgusted at either, and I'm glad Biden can take the stance of a unifier, not a divider similar to the current President.

Somewhat related

Also why I don't support Biden

who the fuck at the debates is arguing for genocide

[Bear Stearns]

Looting is wrong no matter what tho. Its right to condemn lootimg and burning small businesses.

As if looters make the distinction.

[Cisairse]

It's much too little much too late though. We've been a country at war with ourselves for a long time now.

"War is bad!" says warmonger.

Ah yes the person who ended the Iraq War and lobbied for six years to end the Afghan War is a warmonger

okay buddy

[Bear Stearns]

"War is bad!" says warmonger.

Ah yes the person who ended the Iraq War and lobbied for six years to end the Afghan War is a warmonger

okay buddy

I mean we still have troops in both of those countries and we are arming very questionable "rebel groups" to this very day. To to mention actions taken in Libya, Ukraine, Yemen, and Syria...

[Cisairse]

Honestly though if there's as many looters as Trump seems to think there are, why isn't either candidate trying to win them over? Sounds like they're a sizable voter bloc, and if looter turnout is high then they could swing Arizona or Wisconsin.

[Cisairse]

Ah yes the person who ended the Iraq War and lobbied for six years to end the Afghan War is a warmonger

okay buddy

I mean we still have troops in both of those countries and we are arming very questionable "rebel groups" to this very day. To to mention actions taken in Libya, Ukraine, Yemen, and Syria...

The Iraq War did end under Biden's leadership, to claim otherwise is silly. The Afghan War has continued on despite Biden's lobbies against it, not because of them.

As far as I know Biden was not responsible for actions taken in Libya, Yemen, or Syria.

[Bear Stearns]

Honestly though if there's as many looters as Trump seems to think there are, why isn't either candidate trying to win them over? Sounds like they're a sizable voter bloc, and if looter turnout is high then they could swing Arizona or Wisconsin.

Are saying that politicians not courting looters as a voting bloc is evidence of looting not existing?

Really? That's the argument you want to go with? It sometimes helps to say these things out loud before typing them.

[Cisairse]

Honestly though if there's as many looters as Trump seems to think there are, why isn't either candidate trying to win them over? Sounds like they're a sizable voter bloc, and if looter turnout is high then they could swing Arizona or Wisconsin.

Are saying that politicians not courting looters as a voting bloc is evidence of looting not existing?

Really? That's the argument you want to go with? It sometimes helps to say these things out loud before typing them.

If that was the argument I wanted to go with, I would have typed that out and hit the Submit button

[Bear Stearns]

I mean we still have troops in both of those countries and we are arming very questionable "rebel groups" to this very day. To to mention actions taken in Libya, Ukraine, Yemen, and Syria...

The Iraq War did end under Biden's leadership, to claim otherwise is silly.

So why not pull our troops out?

The Afghan War has continued on despite Biden's lobbies against it, not because of them.

This should be news to just about everybody.

As far as I know Biden was not responsible for actions taken in Libya, Yemen, or Syria.

Fair, most of those were Hillary's ideas.

[Dominioan]

Honestly though if there's as many looters as Trump seems to think there are, why isn't either candidate trying to win them over? Sounds like they're a sizable voter bloc, and if looter turnout is high then they could swing Arizona or Wisconsin.

I don’t think they are a group either likes.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Not a fan of neocons in The Lincoln Project but I like this ad.

[Cisairse]

The Iraq War did end under Biden's leadership, to claim otherwise is silly.

So why not pull our troops out?

We literally did in 2011.

We went back in to fight ISIS years later because Obama surrounded himself with actual warmongering cucks, namely John Kerry.

[Bear Stearns]

Not a fan of neocons in the Lincoln Project but I like this ad.

If there is any group that has no room to throw shit and whine about creeping authoritarianism and disregard for the rule of law...

[Telconi]

"War is bad!" says warmonger.

Ah yes the person who ended the Iraq War and lobbied for six years to end the Afghan War is a warmonger

okay buddy

I wasn't aware Biden was running for president of Iraq, or Afghanistan...

[Cisairse]

Ah yes the person who ended the Iraq War and lobbied for six years to end the Afghan War is a warmonger

okay buddy

I wasn't aware Biden was running for president of Iraq, or Afghanistan...

wh

what