Possible War in Israel (again): Atheris got it right?

[Novus America]

Unfortunately. Idk maybe israel needs some good old fashioned diversification. We'll move some African immigrants and Arabs in because we don't think it's diverse enough. Also they gotta recognize their Jewish privilege. Oh and anyone who is against open immigration to Israel will henceforth be labelled a racist.

I see alot of Pro Israel people and organizations pushing for immigration in the United States and while I'm not anti immigration, I think it's pretty hypocritical that they call this country racist or say it needs to celebrate diversity while the country they support is basically a Jewish ethnostate. So yeah, diverse Tel Aviv style Israel, let's do it.

Weird. I thought the pro Israel camp in the US were also nativists.

Well it is not a perfect breakdown. Although the right wing (disregarding the extreme right) here tends to be more pro Israel and not pro open borders, and the pro open borders on the left tend to be more critical of Israel, there are still advocates for Israel on the open borders left.

Support and opposition for Israel does not exactly follow a left right divide.

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Weird. I thought the pro Israel camp in the US were also nativists.

Well it is not a perfect breakdown. Although the right wing (disregarding the extreme right) here tends to be more pro Israel and not pro open borders, and the pro open borders on the left tend to be more critical of Israel, there are still advocates for Israel on the open borders left.

Support and opposition for Israel does not exactly follow a left right divide.

Yes as Bill Clinton so well demonstrated

[Tranzoria]

Well it is not a perfect breakdown. Although the right wing (disregarding the extreme right) here tends to be more pro Israel and not pro open borders, and the pro open borders on the left tend to be more critical of Israel, there are still advocates for Israel on the open borders left.

Support and opposition for Israel does not exactly follow a left right divide.

Yes as Bill Clinton so well demonstrated

Then again, Trump did the same thing too.

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Yes as Bill Clinton so well demonstrated

Then again, Trump did the same thing too.

Yah but the Republicans have been pretty pro israel since the evangelists got their foot in the door with Reagan

[Tranzoria]

Then again, Trump did the same thing too.

Yah but the Republicans have been pretty pro israel since the evangelists got their foot in the door with Reagan

Correct. Although it's more like the Israelis are Pro-Republican, as the Republicans are just using them to get support of the Israeli and Jewish Voters.

[Cordel One]

Well it is not a perfect breakdown. Although the right wing (disregarding the extreme right) here tends to be more pro Israel and not pro open borders, and the pro open borders on the left tend to be more critical of Israel, there are still advocates for Israel on the open borders left.

Support and opposition for Israel does not exactly follow a left right divide.

Yes as Bill Clinton so well demonstrated

Bill Clinton wasn't "left".

[Kowani]

Yes as Bill Clinton so well demonstrated

Bill Clinton wasn't "left".

Clinton was about as left as a right-hand turn.

[Greed and Death]

Then again, Trump did the same thing too.

Yah but the Republicans have been pretty pro israel since the evangelists got their foot in the door with Reagan

Both parties main stream views are pro Israel. Both have fringes that are anti Israel. The GOP also has the evangelical Israel can do not wrong branch which makes the party overall more pro israel.

[Novus America]

True, rather than left or right, mostly pro Israel is really just the center/mainstream here. So both the center left and more center right tend to be. The anti Israel is more the Sanders/squad wing of the Democrats or the deep alt right/far far right.

Anti Israel is considered fringe mostly.

[Washington Resistance Army]

True, rather than left or right, mostly pro Israel is really just the center/mainstream here. So both the center left and more center right tend to be. The anti Israel is more the Sanders/squad wing of the Democrats or the deep alt right/far far right.

Anti Israel is considered fringe mostly.

That's slowly but surely changing. I'd say a very good chunk of Israel's political support will evaporate with the Boomers tbh.

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

True, rather than left or right, mostly pro Israel is really just the center/mainstream here. So both the center left and more center right tend to be. The anti Israel is more the Sanders/squad wing of the Democrats or the deep alt right/far far right.

Anti Israel is considered fringe mostly.

That's slowly but surely changing. I'd say a very good chunk of Israel's political support will evaporate with the Boomers tbh.

Unfortunately by the time that happens, Palestine may be swallowed up by Israel, entirely. Arab countries are already starting to lose their grip on the situation, especially as proven by the UAE normalizing relations.

[Tranzoria]

That's slowly but surely changing. I'd say a very good chunk of Israel's political support will evaporate with the Boomers tbh.

Unfortunately by the time that happens, Palestine may be swallowed up by Israel, entirely. Arab countries are already starting to lose their grip on the situation, especially as proven by the UAE normalizing relations.

And if the UAE is doing something, Saudi will do it to, as they are trying to be just like the UAE. This means Weaker nations have to go after tough Israel, which they would lose very quickly.

[Baltenstein]

That's slowly but surely changing. I'd say a very good chunk of Israel's political support will evaporate with the Boomers tbh.

Unfortunately by the time that happens, Palestine may be swallowed up by Israel, entirely. Arab countries are already starting to lose their grip on the situation, especially as proven by the UAE normalizing relations.

The Arab countries never gave a dusty fuck about the Palestinians. They were a convenvient tool to point fingers at the Great Satan (and away from their domestic BS), but now that Iran and Turkey have become a bigger concern for the Arab leaderships, they are slowly dropping the anti-Israel attitude. Which means throwing the Palestinians under the bus, but again, they never cared about them in the first place.

[-Astoria-]

Second one is published by MEE, a Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas affiliated "news" source, so I didn't even click it.

According to Samuel Tadros of the conservative American think tank, the Hudson Institute, MEE and Middle East Monitor were launched by Muslim Brotherhood affiliates as an alternative to the Qatari-based Al Jazeera to provide western readers with the Muslim Brotherhood point of view.[33]

The Emirati newspaper The National, claimed Middle East Eye coverage to have an anti-Emirati bias and noted several members employed by MEE to be originally part of Al Jazeera.[34][35] The National also accused MEE of being associated with multiple members of the Muslim Brotherhood.[35]

Can't help but be a little sceptical myself...

...of the claim, that is...

[Ansarre]

Second one is published by MEE, a Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas affiliated "news" source, so I didn't even click it.

According to Samuel Tadros of the conservative American think tank, the Hudson Institute, MEE and Middle East Monitor were launched by Muslim Brotherhood affiliates as an alternative to the Qatari-based Al Jazeera to provide western readers with the Muslim Brotherhood point of view.[33]

The Emirati newspaper The National, claimed Middle East Eye coverage to have an anti-Emirati bias and noted several members employed by MEE to be originally part of Al Jazeera.[34][35] The National also accused MEE of being associated with multiple members of the Muslim Brotherhood.[35]

Can't help but be a little sceptical myself...

...of the claim, that is...

Hudson Institute are a reliable think tank. Here is the piece in The National.

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Unfortunately by the time that happens, Palestine may be swallowed up by Israel, entirely. Arab countries are already starting to lose their grip on the situation, especially as proven by the UAE normalizing relations.

And if the UAE is doing something, Saudi will do it to, as they are trying to be just like the UAE. This means Weaker nations have to go after tough Israel, which they would lose very quickly.

Yah gotta say the way in which the UAE has taken control of the Gulf Council in the past 10 years just right from under the nose of the Saudis is kinda funny tho. But yah its all very unfortunate, although from what I understand both Russia and the UN repeatedly back the Palestinian point of view during gatherings of the Quartet, so at least there are some out there, somewhat standing up for Palestinian interests abroad, although even that support is quite quickly dissintegrating.

[Bienenhalde]

Israel is an apartheid ethnostate that must be held accountable for its crimes against the Palestinian people.

Except that is not really true. Arabs and people living in Israel from other ethnic backgrounds can be citizens of Israel. Although I don't necessarily agree with their military and foreign policy, internally they are basically a normal democratic nation-state.

[Cordel One]

Israel is an apartheid ethnostate that must be held accountable for its crimes against the Palestinian people.

Except that is not really true. Arabs and people living in Israel from other ethnic backgrounds can be citizens of Israel. Although I don't necessarily agree with their military and foreign policy, internally they are basically a normal democratic nation-state.

The vast majority of Israelis are ethnic Jews, and Arabs are treated as second-class citizens there.

[La Xinga]

Except that is not really true. Arabs and people living in Israel from other ethnic backgrounds can be citizens of Israel. Although I don't necessarily agree with their military and foreign policy, internally they are basically a normal democratic nation-state.

The vast majority of Israelis are ethnic Jews, and Arabs are treated as second-class citizens there.

Treated as does not mean under the law.

[Major-Tom]

Except that is not really true. Arabs and people living in Israel from other ethnic backgrounds can be citizens of Israel. Although I don't necessarily agree with their military and foreign policy, internally they are basically a normal democratic nation-state.

The vast majority of Israelis are ethnic Jews, and Arabs are treated as second-class citizens there.

Eh...they're treated equally under the law and are afforded the same legal rights as Israeli Jews.

You could make an argument that they're treated poorly by some Israeli people, and that parties like Likud don't have Arab interests in mind, but the narrative that "Israel is an Apartheid State" is such a stupid one tbh. I would read into the Arab Israelis, here.

[Bienenhalde]

Resettle the Arabs in Jordan or the other Arab states. Jerusalem (the Israeli Govt.) should assist and cooperate with said Arab state and ensure the Arab resettlement is as humans as possible. However this can only occur once the rest of the Middle East ceases its aggressive anti-Semitic goals (the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Israeli people), so they’ll need to accept their neighbour and see to the peaceful and humane population exchanges that would help the region become a little more peaceful.

Forcibly expelling the population of Gaza would hardly make the people feel less violent and angry.
I mean it would technically stop violence in Gaza sure, but only by causing greater resentment elsewhere.
And this is not realistic.

I should have probably clarified, I see no way to break the cycle that would not result in some horrible rights abuses and a lot of death.

I mean technically using nuclear earthmoving to make Gaza disappear into the sea would “solve” Gaza per se.
But hardly in a way that people would find remotely acceptable.

What if Israel and Egypt just agreed that Egypt to annex Gaza into Egypt?

[Tombradyonia]

Israel is an apartheid ethnostate that must be held accountable for its crimes against the Palestinian people.

you forget that it's the Jewish homeland, and since Jews have suffered o so greatly over the course of history, especially relatively recent history, they get free license to bring the same suffering onto others. besides, those others happen to be Muslim, and they aren't really human anyway. after all there was a great uproar over human rights violations by China in Hong Kong recently, but there's never been much outrage over the oppression of the Uighurs.

If you are trying to compare Nazi Germany and Israel, then I can't take anything you say seriously. Israel is a civil rights paradise compared to all of its neighbors (yes I know, its a relative thing).

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Israel is an apartheid ethnostate that must be held accountable for its crimes against the Palestinian people.

you forget that it's the Jewish homeland, and since Jews have suffered o so greatly over the course of history, especially relatively recent history, they get free license to bring the same suffering onto others. besides, those others happen to be Muslim, and they aren't really human anyway. after all there was a great uproar over human rights violations by China in Hong Kong recently, but there's never been much outrage over the oppression of the Uighurs.

Has the Saudi mullahs finally decided after about 3-400 years of existence that actually... women are actually people yet?

[Salus Maior]

I think it's safe to say any given time that someone is shooting or attacking someone in the Israeli conflict.

So I wouldn't give Atheris too many cookies : P

[Cordel One]

The vast majority of Israelis are ethnic Jews, and Arabs are treated as second-class citizens there.

Treated as does not mean under the law.

The law turns a blind eye to it, and they do support the IDF's war crimes.