Greece dumps refugees in Ocean tells Turkey Deal with it

[Mannixa Prime]

Oh. I thought he was a right wing nationalist. Hadn't seen past posts of his.

Neo-Nazis are right-wing nationalists.

This is off topic but National Socialism and Fascism reject both the left and right they are both third positionist beliefs.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Oh. I thought he was a right wing nationalist. Hadn't seen past posts of his.

Neo-Nazis are a subgroup of right-wing nationalists.

Depends on how you view things. Most people on the Greek right believe free markets and economic liberalism are fundamentals of the right wing, so GD is placed by us on the political left.

[Kowani]

Neo-Nazis are right-wing nationalists.

This is off topic but National Socialism and Fascism reject both the left and right they are both third positionist beliefs.

...Yeah, none of this is true. Nazism rejects certain elements of both, but fundamentally comes down hard on the right through its endorsement of hierarchy in practically everything.

[Cordel One]

Neo-Nazis are a subgroup of right-wing nationalists.

Depends on how you view things. Most people on the Greek right believe free markets and economic liberalism are fundamentals of the right wing, so GD is placed by us on the political left.

Neo-Nazis are right-wing nationalists.

This is off topic but National Socialism and Fascism reject both the left and right they are both third positionist beliefs.

Nazism and fascism are rightist ideologies. The right isn't exclusive to capitalism, it's a broad term that also covers monarchies and theocracies and Nazis. The right is characterized by hierarchies, which the Nazis fall under. They're not ascended from general politics.

[Major-Tom]

I unironically agree that your country is full of evil, intolerant racists.

Then why you want migrants to come to this evil country?

Looking at your economy, maybe you guys could use some additional labor force.

Nobody's saying you have to accept undocumented migrants coming in on a boat, mate, but lightening up to legitimate immigrants might be a wise move.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Well, regardless of our disagreements over their orientation, I believe we can agree that they an awful bunch.

[Kowani]

Well, regardless of our disagreements over their orientation, I believe we can agree that they an awful bunch.

This much is true.

[The Reformed American Republic]

A vast majority of Greeks need to stop whining and try to help these people.

Force us, if you can.

Indeed.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Then why you want migrants to come to this evil country?

Looking at your economy, maybe you guys could use some additional labor force.

Nobody's saying you have to accept undocumented migrants coming in on a boat, mate, but lightening up to legitimate immigrants might be a wise move.

We can bring back Greeks who are in diaspora. Also we already have Albanian and Pakistani immigrants to help with labor (and have no problem with them) and a lot of unemployed Greeks, we don't need more.

[Cordel One]

Well, regardless of our disagreements over their orientation, I believe we can agree that they an awful bunch.

I'm glad we can agree on that at least.

[Mannixa Prime]

This is off topic but National Socialism and Fascism reject both the left and right they are both third positionist beliefs.

...Yeah, none of this is true. Nazism rejects certain elements of both, but fundamentally comes down hard on the right through its endorsement of hierarchy in practically everything.

First of all there is no mask off, I’m gay so I literally can’t be a national socialist. Props for trying to act tough though I’m sure my Jewish relatives will have a laugh.

Since we were talking about certain postions I liked about the GD I’ll consider it on topic.


The objective truth is that National Socialiam is part of then Third Posistion, it rejects both capitalism and Marxism.

There is more to the political spectrum than the left right axis you learnt about in grade nine.

[Major-Tom]

Looking at your economy, maybe you guys could use some additional labor force.

Nobody's saying you have to accept undocumented migrants coming in on a boat, mate, but lightening up to legitimate immigrants might be a wise move.

We can bring back Greeks who are in diaspora. Also we already have Albanian and Pakistani immigrants to help with labor (and have no problem with them) and a lot of unemployed Greeks, we don't need more.

I'm speaking pretty rhetorically, anyways. Although, I know a lot of Greek-Americans, that diaspora is staying put at the very least, as is most diaspora in America.

Either way, I'm amazed this thread is still going. I don't think it's controversial to stake out that middle ground of saying "Greece can control who they let in, but they shouldn't set people adrift," but I suppose it continues to ruffle feathers.

[Cordel One]

...Yeah, none of this is true. Nazism rejects certain elements of both, but fundamentally comes down hard on the right through its endorsement of hierarchy in practically everything.

First of all there is no mask off, I’m gay so I literally can’t be a national socialist. Props for trying to act tough though I’m sure my Jewish relatives will have a laugh.

Since we were talking about certain postions I liked about the GD I’ll consider it on topic.


The objective truth is that National Socialiam is part of then Third Posistion, it rejects both capitalism and Marxism.

There is more to the political spectrum than the left right axis you learnt about in grade nine.

Left and right are much broader terms than you seem to believe. Communists, anarchists, syndicalists, democratic socialists, etc. are all leftists, and monarchists, fascists, and capitalists are all rightists.

[Thermodolia]

...Yeah, none of this is true. Nazism rejects certain elements of both, but fundamentally comes down hard on the right through its endorsement of hierarchy in practically everything.

First of all there is no mask off, I’m gay so I literally can’t be a national socialist. Props for trying to act tough though I’m sure my Jewish relatives will have a laugh.

Since we were talking about certain postions I liked about the GD I’ll consider it on topic.


The objective truth is that National Socialiam is part of then Third Posistion, it rejects both capitalism and Marxism.

There is more to the political spectrum than the left right axis you learnt about in grade nine.

Ernst Rohm was gay and a nazi

[Outer Acharet]

First of all there is no mask off, I’m gay so I literally can’t be a national socialist. Props for trying to act tough though I’m sure my Jewish relatives will have a laugh.

Since we were talking about certain postions I liked about the GD I’ll consider it on topic.


The objective truth is that National Socialiam is part of then Third Posistion, it rejects both capitalism and Marxism.

There is more to the political spectrum than the left right axis you learnt about in grade nine.

Left and right are much broader terms than you seem to believe. Communists, anarchists, syndicalists, etc. are all leftists, and monarchists, fascists, and capitalists are all rightists.

You heard of Ancap, mate? Where's that on the spectrum?

[Sao Nova Europa]

...Yeah, none of this is true. Nazism rejects certain elements of both, but fundamentally comes down hard on the right through its endorsement of hierarchy in practically everything.

First of all there is no mask off, I’m gay so I literally can’t be a national socialist. Props for trying to act tough though I’m sure my Jewish relatives will have a laugh.

Since we were talking about certain postions I liked about the GD I’ll consider it on topic.


The objective truth is that National Socialiam is part of then Third Posistion, it rejects both capitalism and Marxism.

There is more to the political spectrum than the left right axis you learnt about in grade nine.

Golden Dawn is against gays.

On the other hand our liberal Prime Minister is both against illegal immigration and has stated his support for LGBT rights. Look at this tweet:

https://twitter.com/PrimeministerGR/status/1276164825958285312

[Cordel One]

Left and right are much broader terms than you seem to believe. Communists, anarchists, syndicalists, etc. are all leftists, and monarchists, fascists, and capitalists are all rightists.

You heard of Ancap, mate? Where's that on the spectrum?

They're on the right, and they would be even if anarcho-capitalism wasn't an oxymoron.

Hierarchies are a fundamental part of capitalism, and as "an"caps wouldn't abolish that they really aren't anarchists at all.

[The Reformed American Republic]

First of all there is no mask off, I’m gay so I literally can’t be a national socialist. Props for trying to act tough though I’m sure my Jewish relatives will have a laugh.

Since we were talking about certain postions I liked about the GD I’ll consider it on topic.


The objective truth is that National Socialiam is part of then Third Posistion, it rejects both capitalism and Marxism.

There is more to the political spectrum than the left right axis you learnt about in grade nine.

Left and right are much broader terms than you seem to believe. Communists, anarchists, syndicalists, democratic socialists, etc. are all leftists, and monarchists, fascists, and capitalists are all rightists.

I'm neither of those things interestingly enough.

[Mannixa Prime]

First of all there is no mask off, I’m gay so I literally can’t be a national socialist. Props for trying to act tough though I’m sure my Jewish relatives will have a laugh.

Since we were talking about certain postions I liked about the GD I’ll consider it on topic.


The objective truth is that National Socialiam is part of then Third Posistion, it rejects both capitalism and Marxism.

There is more to the political spectrum than the left right axis you learnt about in grade nine.

Ernst Rohm was gay and a nazi

And he was executed during the night of the long knives...

[Cordel One]

Left and right are much broader terms than you seem to believe. Communists, anarchists, syndicalists, democratic socialists, etc. are all leftists, and monarchists, fascists, and capitalists are all rightists.

I'm neither of those things interestingly enough.

Forgot to put "et cetera" on there

[Sao Nova Europa]

All societies have some kind of hierarchy, even loose ones. If hierarchies is definition of right, then 99% of people are right wing.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I'm neither of those things interestingly enough.

Forgot to put "et cetera" on there

I'm probably syncratic anyway. My views are a mix of both left and right wing ideas.

[Thermodolia]

Ernst Rohm was gay and a nazi

And he was executed during the Night of the Longs Knives....

And? Just because your gay doesn’t mean you can’t be an asshole

[Kowani]

First of all there is no mask off, I’m gay so I literally can’t be a national socialist.
Props for trying to act tough though I’m sure my Jewish relatives will have a laugh.

I mean, sure, you can't be an Orthodox Nazi, but it's not as if there aren't people who've adopted most of the Nazi platform that Hitler would've considered anathema-take this nice young Croatian Nazi

Since we were talking about certain postions I liked about the GD I’ll consider it on topic.


The objective truth is that National Socialiam is part of then Third Posistion, it rejects both capitalism and Marxism.

There is more to the political spectrum than the left right axis you learnt about in grade nine.

Political Theory 101 it is, then.
So, the political spectrum can be divided among three major Axis: Hierarchy, Authority, and Progressivism. Capitalism is a right-wing hierarchy because it endorses a merit based, internally fluid yet externally solid hierarchy by which people rise and fall upon their supposed Merits. Marxism is a left wing school of thought because it rejects hierarchy as something natural or desirable. This is what places them upon opposite sides of the scale, though not inherently diametric ones. Third Positionism and Nazism both endorse a very strong hierarchy in which the State is the ultimate expression of such, all thing subject to it. "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State", as Mussolini would say. However, the trick is the marketing, by which they proclaim to have transcended traditional politics. They have not. As in everything else with fascism, this too rings hollow.

[Cordel One]

Forgot to put "et cetera" on there

I'm probably syncratic anyway. My views are a mix of both left and right wing ideas.

You can have some left-wing ideas and still be a rightist.