Greece dumps refugees in Ocean tells Turkey Deal with it

[Sao Nova Europa]

Kowani, if Greece doesn't want them then nobody has any right to force them to accept the migrants.

Could they at least send them to someone else? Like in a safe way as opposed to leaving them out at sea?

We asked other EU countries to take them in, they don't (aside from a few tens kids symbolically), so apparently no. Otherwise we would be happy to let them go to the rest of Europe.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

A vast majority of Greeks do not want integration (I believe I posted the pew research numbers in this thread. I can post them again if you want). Why should the democratic majority be forced dictatorially to accept the wishes of a tiny minority? And why, you humanitarian, you don't take them in your country?

A vast majority of Greeks need to stop whining and try to help these people.

Where are you from? Your country should help first. How many refugees live in your home ? Greece shouldn't be Europe's toy !

[Gravlen]

See the edit: 71 deaths in the Greece/Cyprus voyage.

So? If people decide to try to illegal travel with boat without contacting the Greek government, they are the ones taking the risk and responsibility. Why should Greece be responsible if people attempt to make illegally and without prior approval a dangerous travel?

And yes, when you guard borders, people sometimes die. Get used to it.

So you were wrong - again.

Didn't you make a post earlier complaining about people not knowing anything about what is happening? Yet you've repeatedly been shown to be wrong yourself...

[Kowani]

Cause is immaterial. They are in Greece, and they are on your doorstep. The migrants will not be abated until the causes that push them to leave end. There are two paths ahead for Greece: Accept them and help integrate them into Greek culture, or push them all out and stand alone. And Greece is not strong enough to stand on its own.

A vast majority of Greeks do not want integration (I believe I posted the pew research numbers in this thread. I can post them again if you want). Why should the democratic majority be forced dictatorially to accept the wishes of a tiny minority?

Not everybody gets to win in the modern world. Sometimes, you just have to take one for the team.
Or in the case of Greece, benefit for the team, because immigration is a net good.

And why, you humanitarian, you don't take them in your country?

I'm originally from Spain, which has taken more refugees than Greece. I live in the US now, and for obvious reasons, the refugees are not crossing the Atlantic.

[Mannixa Prime]

FYI just because you think your an edgy boot licking internationalist who thinks sanctions and lawsuits mean anything it doesn’t mean the situation in Greece will change perception wise.


The Greek people don’t want the invasion it doesn’t matter how hard neo lib nation tries

[Borderlands of Rojava]

A vast majority of Greeks do not want integration (I believe I posted the pew research numbers in this thread. I can post them again if you want). Why should the democratic majority be forced dictatorially to accept the wishes of a tiny minority? And why, you humanitarian, you don't take them in your country?

A vast majority of Greeks need to stop whining and try to help these people.

For thousands of years, the Greek people have seen themselves as the center of enlightenment and seen others as "Barbaroi."

I had hoped that would have ended but it goes on to this day, like how it does still in China.

[Cordel One]

See the edit: 71 deaths in the Greece/Cyprus voyage.

So? If people decide to try to illegal travel with boat without contacting the Greek government, they are the ones taking the risk and responsibility. Why should Greece be responsible if people attempt to make illegally and without prior approval a dangerous travel?

And yes, when you guard borders, people sometimes die. Get used to it.

Less people would die if Greece wasn't DUMPING THEM INTO THE OCEAN...

A vast majority of Greeks need to stop whining and try to help these people.

Force us, if you can.

I can't force you to do the right thing, but anyone who's okay with this should be ashamed.

[Thermodolia]

So? If people decide to try to illegal travel with boat without contacting the Greek government, they are the ones taking the risk and responsibility. Why should Greece be responsible if people attempt to make illegally and without prior approval a dangerous travel?

And yes, when you guard borders, people sometimes die. Get used to it.

Every death on our borders, our governments are responsible

A vast majority of Greeks do not want integration (I believe I posted the pew research numbers in this thread. I can post them again if you want). Why should the democratic majority be forced dictatorially to accept the wishes of a tiny minority? And why, you humanitarian, you don't take them in your country?

you are really right. Where is Europe and America about receiving refugees ?

Well it’s kinda hard for the US to take refugees from the Middle East considering that they have to cross an ocean

[Sao Nova Europa]

A vast majority of Greeks do not want integration (I believe I posted the pew research numbers in this thread. I can post them again if you want). Why should the democratic majority be forced dictatorially to accept the wishes of a tiny minority?

Not everybody gets to win in the modern world. Sometimes, you just have to take one for the team.
Or in the case of Greece, benefit for the team, because immigration is a net good.

No. Force us, if you can. We have the will and the armed forces to defend our sovereign rights. We will not back down.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

FYI just because you think your an edgy boot licking internationalist who thinks sanctions and lawsuits mean anything it doesn’t mean the situation in Greece will change perception wise.


The Greek people don’t want the invasion it doesn’t matter how hard neo lib nation tries

It isnt a fucking invasion. Once again, how good do you have to have it for THAT to be an invasion?

[Kowani]

Cause is immaterial. They are in Greece, and they are on your doorstep. The migrants will not be abated until the causes that push them to leave end. There are two paths ahead for Greece: Accept them and help integrate them into Greek culture, or push them all out and stand alone. And Greece is not strong enough to stand on its own.

Kowani, if Greece doesn't want them then nobody has any right to force them to accept the migrants.

Unfortunately for the intransigents, Greece is legally bound to do so.

[Thermodolia]

No one cares.

You cared enough to write a post, and I've just shown you to be wrong.

We will not accept them even if you bomb us with napalms. There is no way you can force us.

There is. The lawsuits have been filed.

I have absolutely zero faith that those will work

[Sao Nova Europa]

A vast majority of Greeks need to stop whining and try to help these people.

For thousands of years, the Greek people have seen themselves as the center of enlightenment and seen others as "Barbaroi."

I had hoped that would have ended but it goes on to this day, like how it does still in China.

Exactly. So send them to other countries that are tolerant, good and nice.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Not everybody gets to win in the modern world. Sometimes, you just have to take one for the team.
Or in the case of Greece, benefit for the team, because immigration is a net good.

No. Force us, if you can. We have the will and the armed forces to defend our sovereign rights. We will not back down.

We don't gotta fight you. We have a one dollar bill to bribe your government to take them in.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Every death on our borders, our governments are responsible

you are really right. Where is Europe and America about receiving refugees ?

Well it’s kinda hard for the US to take refugees from the Middle East considering that they have to cross an ocean

America knows how to send troops to kill people to the Middle East

[Cordel One]

A vast majority of Greeks need to stop whining and try to help these people.

Where are you from? Your country should help first. How many refugees live in your home ? Greece shouldn't be Europe's toy !

The U.S. should absolutely help, especially since we're one of the main reasons things ever got so bad in the first place.

[Kowani]

Not everybody gets to win in the modern world. Sometimes, you just have to take one for the team.
Or in the case of Greece, benefit for the team, because immigration is a net good.

No. Force us, if you can. We have the will and the armed forces to defend our sovereign rights. We will not back down.

How much money does Greece get from the rest of the EU again?

[Gravlen]

You cared enough to write a post, and I've just shown you to be wrong.


There is. The lawsuits have been filed.

So? What will they do? Lawsuits can, and have, been ignored if needed.

If Greece doesn't respect the rule of law, its citizens should be concerned and it should be kicked out of the EU.

[Fartsniffage]

[How is that relevant to the discussion

It goes to how much responsibility your nation has for the issues in the Middle East. So answer.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

For thousands of years, the Greek people have seen themselves as the center of enlightenment and seen others as "Barbaroi."

I had hoped that would have ended but it goes on to this day, like how it does still in China.

Exactly. So send them to other countries that are tolerant, good and nice.

Well at least you're open about how racist your country is toward non Greeks.

[Sao Nova Europa]

So? What will they do? Lawsuits can, and have, been ignored if needed.

If Greece doesn't respect the rule of law, its citizens should be concerned and it should be kicked out of the EU.

lol Like they kicked Hungary and Poland?

[Mannixa Prime]

Sorry hunnies you can fantasize about super tolerant UN troops and heavy handed sanctions breaking the will of the Greek people it just will not happen.

They see what goes on in Western Europe. Enough said.

[Kowani]

Cause is immaterial. They are in Greece, and they are on your doorstep. The migrants will not be abated until the causes that push them to leave end. There are two paths ahead for Greece: Accept them and help integrate them into Greek culture, or push them all out and stand alone. And Greece is not strong enough to stand on its own.

For the record you are not required to integrate refugees. You can hold them, their child trans grandchildren in camps until that which makes them refugees is resolved. See UNRWA.
It might sound fucked up sure but those are the rules.

Well, yes. But what you cannot do is what Greece is doing, which is expulsion of refugees when their claims aren't processed yet (and for obvious reasons, the cause isn't resolved either.)

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Sorry hunnies you can fantasize about super tolerant UN troops and heavy handed sanctions breaking the will of the Greek people it just will not happen.

They see what goes on in Western Europe. Enough said.

Ah, more "brown man bad" hysteria?

We don't gotta fight them. They need money, do they not?

[Novus America]

So? What will they do? Lawsuits can, and have, been ignored if needed.

If Greece doesn't respect the rule of law, its citizens should be concerned and it should be kicked out of the EU.

You really think the EU would do that?