Greece dumps refugees in Ocean tells Turkey Deal with it

[Former Citizens of the Nimbus System]

How many people have died attempting the crossing?

In 2020? Only one, in an accident (not during a push back) and while the rest of the boat were saved by the Greek coast guard.

How is this known? Surely there is the possibility of any number of accidents that have been missed by authorities on either side of the Aegean - which, of course, would go unreported.

[Sao Nova Europa]

In 2020? Only one, in an accident (not during a push back) and while the rest of the boat were saved by the Greek coast guard.

How do you know that?

Official government announcement.

[Kowani]

How many people have died attempting the crossing?

In 2020? Only one, in an accident (not during a push back) and while the rest of the boat were saved by the Greek coast guard.

...Actually, it's 444.
Even if we drop it just to the Eastern Mediterranean, it's still 71 deaths.

[Sao Nova Europa]

In 2020? Only one, in an accident (not during a push back) and while the rest of the boat were saved by the Greek coast guard.

...Actually, it's 444.

That is about the whole Mediterranean while we are talking about the Aegean.

[Fartsniffage]

How do you know that?

Official government announcement.

But what about all the boats that sank before the Greek government knew about them?

[Kowani]

...Actually, it's 444.

That is about the whole Mediterranean while we are talking about the Aegean.

See the edit: 71 deaths in the Greece/Cyprus voyage.

That is, by the way, worse than last year. Your government keeps lying about the migration figures, mate, this is the second time this thread.

[Mannixa Prime]

In 2020? Only one, in an accident (not during a push back) and while the rest of the boat were saved by the Greek coast guard.

...Actually, it's 444.
Even if we drop it just to the Eastern Mediterranean, it's still 71 deaths.

444 or 444,000 it’s not Greece’s problem.
Tell Saudi Arabia, Israel and every neo con or neo lib politician to deal with it. We didn’t start middle eastern conflicts.

[Sao Nova Europa]

That is about the whole Mediterranean while we are talking about the Aegean.

See the edit: 71 deaths in the Greece/Cyprus voyage.

So? If people decide to try to illegal travel with boat without contacting the Greek government, they are the ones taking the risk and responsibility. Why should Greece be responsible if people attempt to make illegally and without prior approval a dangerous travel?

And yes, when you guard borders, people sometimes die. Get used to it.

[Former Citizens of the Nimbus System]

...Actually, it's 444.
Even if we drop it just to the Eastern Mediterranean, it's still 71 deaths.

444 or 444,000 it’s not Greece’s problem.
Tell Saudi Arabia, Israel and every neo con or neo lib politician to deal with it. We didn’t start middle eastern conflicts.

One is obligated to solve a given problem as far as one is able to solve that problem. Greece can help; Greece therefore should help. So should everyone else.

[American Pere Housh]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/world/europe/greece-migrants-abandoning-sea.html

Greece is abandoning 1000 plus migrants at sea. These are migrants that were on dry land in Greece they were taken to international waters and dumped with a life jacket on. I am sorry if this OP is sparse I am just at a loss for words at the moment. Even my most in character antics do not approach dump a thousand people at sea.

What sort of sanctions can we bring to bear against Greece to stop this.

Yes, trust the NY Times.
The day that I trust the New York Times is the day New York State turns red in a Presidential election.

[Kowani]

...Actually, it's 444.
Even if we drop it just to the Eastern Mediterranean, it's still 71 deaths.

444 or 444,000 it’s not Greece’s problem.
Tell Saudi Arabia, Israel and every neo con or neo lib politician to deal with it. We didn’t start middle eastern conflicts.

Cause is immaterial. They are in Greece, and they are on your doorstep. The migrants will not be abated until the causes that push them to leave end. There are two paths ahead for Greece: Accept them and help integrate them into Greek culture, or push them all out and stand alone. And Greece is not strong enough to stand on its own.

[Fartsniffage]

...Actually, it's 444.
Even if we drop it just to the Eastern Mediterranean, it's still 71 deaths.

444 or 444,000 it’s not Greece’s problem.
Tell Saudi Arabia, Israel and every neo con or neo lib politician to deal with it. We didn’t start middle eastern conflicts.

Where are you from?

[Sao Nova Europa]

444 or 444,000 it’s not Greece’s problem.
Tell Saudi Arabia, Israel and every neo con or neo lib politician to deal with it. We didn’t start middle eastern conflicts.

Cause is immaterial. They are in Greece, and they are on your doorstep. The migrants will not be abated until the causes that push them to leave end. There are two paths ahead for Greece: Accept them and help integrate them into Greek culture, or push them all out and stand alone. And Greece is not strong enough to stand on its own.

A vast majority of Greeks do not want integration (I believe I posted the pew research numbers in this thread. I can post them again if you want). Why should the democratic majority be forced dictatorially to accept the wishes of a tiny minority? And why, you humanitarian, you don't take them in your country?

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

See the edit: 71 deaths in the Greece/Cyprus voyage.

So? If people decide to try to illegal travel with boat without contacting the Greek government, they are the ones taking the risk and responsibility. Why should Greece be responsible if people attempt to make illegally and without prior approval a dangerous travel?

And yes, when you guard borders, people sometimes die. Get used to it.

Every death on our borders, our governments are responsible

Cause is immaterial. They are in Greece, and they are on your doorstep. The migrants will not be abated until the causes that push them to leave end. There are two paths ahead for Greece: Accept them and help integrate them into Greek culture, or push them all out and stand alone. And Greece is not strong enough to stand on its own.

A vast majority of Greeks do not want integration (I believe I posted the pew research numbers in this thread. I can post them again if you want). Why should the democratic majority be forced dictatorially to accept the wishes of a tiny minority? And why, you humanitarian, you don't take them in your country?

you are really right. Where is Europe and America about receiving refugees ?

[Gravlen]

So: There's no requirement in the Convention for refugees to stay in the first safe country, and under the convention a contracting state has an obligation to offer protection to a refugee applying for asylum if they've only passed through other safe countries. According to the UNHCR, there's also a legal obligation to grant them refugee status and let them stay if they previously have stayed in a "safe country" which lacks protection there against refoulement and they're not treated in accordance with basic human standards, if they're subject there to persecution or threats to safety and liberty, or if they don't have access to a durable solution. The situation in Turkey fits that description.

No one cares.

You cared enough to write a post, and I've just shown you to be wrong.

We will not accept them even if you bomb us with napalms. There is no way you can force us.

There is. The lawsuits have been filed.

[Cordel One]

...Actually, it's 444.
Even if we drop it just to the Eastern Mediterranean, it's still 71 deaths.

444 or 444,000 it’s not Greece’s problem.
Tell Saudi Arabia, Israel and every neo con or neo lib politician to deal with it. We didn’t start middle eastern conflicts.

Those people are Greece's responsibility since they're in Greece, and even if they weren't it would be immoral not to try to help. If you don't want so many refugees, maybe you should try to get some foreign aid down there.

[Sao Nova Europa]

No one cares.

You cared enough to write a post, and I've just shown you to be wrong.

We will not accept them even if you bomb us with napalms. There is no way you can force us.

There is. The lawsuits have been filed.

So? What will they do? Lawsuits can, and have, been ignored if needed.

[Kowani]

See the edit: 71 deaths in the Greece/Cyprus voyage.

So? If people decide to try to illegal travel with boat without contacting the Greek government, they are the ones taking the risk and responsibility. Why should Greece be responsible if people attempt to make illegally and without prior approval a dangerous travel?

And yes, when you guard borders, people sometimes die. Get used to it.

That is not how refugee laws work. By treaties to which Greece is bound, refugees, regardless of legal status, are allowed to enter the country to request asylum, and stay there while the request is being processed. Greece, by the way, is not pulling people out of the water and sending them back-it is doing this to people who have already reached Greece and are waiting for their claims to be processed. So yes, Greece is responsible for having violated both its own and international law.

[Mannixa Prime]

444 or 444,000 it’s not Greece’s problem.
Tell Saudi Arabia, Israel and every neo con or neo lib politician to deal with it. We didn’t start middle eastern conflicts.

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How is that relevant to the discussion

[American Pere Housh]

444 or 444,000 it’s not Greece’s problem.
Tell Saudi Arabia, Israel and every neo con or neo lib politician to deal with it. We didn’t start middle eastern conflicts.

Cause is immaterial. They are in Greece, and they are on your doorstep. The migrants will not be abated until the causes that push them to leave end. There are two paths ahead for Greece: Accept them and help integrate them into Greek culture, or push them all out and stand alone. And Greece is not strong enough to stand on its own.

Kowani, if Greece doesn't want them then nobody has any right to force them to accept the migrants.

[Cordel One]

Cause is immaterial. They are in Greece, and they are on your doorstep. The migrants will not be abated until the causes that push them to leave end. There are two paths ahead for Greece: Accept them and help integrate them into Greek culture, or push them all out and stand alone. And Greece is not strong enough to stand on its own.

A vast majority of Greeks do not want integration (I believe I posted the pew research numbers in this thread. I can post them again if you want). Why should the democratic majority be forced dictatorially to accept the wishes of a tiny minority? And why, you humanitarian, you don't take them in your country?

A vast majority of Greeks need to stop whining and try to help these people.

[Sao Nova Europa]

A vast majority of Greeks do not want integration (I believe I posted the pew research numbers in this thread. I can post them again if you want). Why should the democratic majority be forced dictatorially to accept the wishes of a tiny minority? And why, you humanitarian, you don't take them in your country?

A vast majority of Greeks need to stop whining and try to help these people.

Force us, if you can.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Cause is immaterial. They are in Greece, and they are on your doorstep. The migrants will not be abated until the causes that push them to leave end. There are two paths ahead for Greece: Accept them and help integrate them into Greek culture, or push them all out and stand alone. And Greece is not strong enough to stand on its own.

Kowani, if Greece doesn't want them then nobody has any right to force them to accept the migrants.

Could they at least send them to someone else? Like in a safe way as opposed to leaving them out at sea?

[Novus America]

444 or 444,000 it’s not Greece’s problem.
Tell Saudi Arabia, Israel and every neo con or neo lib politician to deal with it. We didn’t start middle eastern conflicts.

Cause is immaterial. They are in Greece, and they are on your doorstep. The migrants will not be abated until the causes that push them to leave end. There are two paths ahead for Greece: Accept them and help integrate them into Greek culture, or push them all out and stand alone. And Greece is not strong enough to stand on its own.

For the record you are not required to integrate refugees. You can hold them, their children and grandchildren in camps until that which makes them refugees is resolved. See UNRWA.
It might sound fucked up sure but those are the rules.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Cause is immaterial. They are in Greece, and they are on your doorstep. The migrants will not be abated until the causes that push them to leave end. There are two paths ahead for Greece: Accept them and help integrate them into Greek culture, or push them all out and stand alone. And Greece is not strong enough to stand on its own.

A vast majority of Greeks do not want integration (I believe I posted the pew research numbers in this thread. I can post them again if you want). Why should the democratic majority be forced dictatorially to accept the wishes of a tiny minority? And why, you humanitarian, you don't take them in your country?

Hey, they washed up on YOUR doorstep. When they wash up on ours, we ought to take them.