Greece dumps refugees in Ocean tells Turkey Deal with it

[Gravlen]

Cut off the flow of money from the EU sounds more effective. It's rude to kick a country when it's down, but sometimes it has to be done.


Yes, I do think that. Lawsuits have already been filed - by honorable Greeks.

Those lawsuits will do nothing. And the EU has pledged to give us more funding, if anything. So on both counts, you are wrong.

Nope. The only downside is that it will take some time.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Many people here tend to not have knowledge of what is happening in the borders.

A tweet video highlighting how Turkey pushed the migrants to Greece: https://twitter.com/ISCResearch/status/1294646286587777024

A twitter thread documenting the 'peaceful' migrants and Turkey's use of them: https://twitter.com/thedukeoriginal/status/1295101018930388993

Watch videos and get information first.

Kemalists trashed the Megali Idea project in Greece. greek racism will never succeed. Do not undermine the way of Turkish and Greek brotherhood, let's think the same on one issue

I don't care about the Megali Idea. It is dead. I have also no problem with ordinary Turks, with whom we Greeks have many cultural similarities. What I do care about is a) Erdogan's aggression, b) Turkey pushing migrants to us.

[Fedel]

*Swift punch to the groin* ( while less effective against a female, I imagine it would still produce the desired results )

I'm a guy, lol. Ema Skye's just my favorite AA character. Read my sig.

I see. We'll have to exchange fanfics on Saturday then. :>

[Thermodolia]

And this isn't the middle ages where the British burned you at the stake or discriminated you for not being Anglican, like what they did to the Catholics... or their wars with France.

Yeah but it still means the idea of "Any Abrahamic faith is incompatible with a modern, healthy, progressive and science based society." is full of shit.

Even if most Muslims are not terrorists ( uh no shit) a super majority hold views that are just as extreme.

Bill Maher, Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins explain it quite well.

Any Abrahamic faith is incompatible with a modern, healthy, progressive and science based society.

Not really because the UK really stopped being shit, at least socially, when they stopped listening to the church. Same thing in Ireland. They stopped listening to the church and legalized gay marriage and abortion.

If they where still very catholic and not moderately so they wouldn’t have done either of those things. Ya know like Poland is trying to reverse or like Romania refuses to do.

[Anurial]

I think you're being accidentally misleading.

Progressives are not crying out to bring in millions of people from the Middle East because it's fun. Progressives instead say it's probably a good thing to take in refugees who are fleeing war and persecution. I've also seen you mentioned how they all want to throw you off a building for being gay, which I think you would probably know is a ridiculous claim. If you want to deport even certain people back to their homeland for wanting for the specific act of wanting your execution for your sexual orientation, why not throw in the whites that want to do the same?[/qhuote]



Gay rights isn’t ridiculous and if the western world deported anyone who followed any abrahamic faith we would be better off.

I believe in science. I try to be progressive and cosmopolitan as possible.

Importing people who are more comfortable living in the 1400s will turn back the clock on all we accomplished in terms of tolerance.

I literally never made the claim that gay rights is ridiculous. I said the claim that all brown people believe you should be executed is ridiculous.

I too believe in science, progressivism, and humanism. Importing is a very weird term to use, it implies that again, progressives are like demanding for quotas of people from the Middle East to be "shipped in" or something wild.

I think that if your solution to backwards people is to let people with a similar skin colour drown, then your method of dealing with those ideas is not effective and is incredibly destructive to millions.

[Thermodolia]

Please be warned that things can get crazy. And that there are two drunkards

Sounds kinda weird imo

It’s definitely so

[Outer Acharet]

You're wrong again. They were written by actual, real life Greeks.


Yes. But they haven't been.

Anyone who erodes Greek sovereignty and culture isn’t Greek.

So, are Irish immigrants to America who "brought America under the thumb of the Pope" and who "practiced idolatry in their filthy Catholic religion" not really Americans?

Hitler's cells produced viruses at one point.

EVEN NONLIVING THINGS ARE NAZIS

Are viruses really non-living? This is for another thread, but I'm of the opinion that viruses are still alive.

uhhh i mean

Hitler breathed! So do animals! ALL ANIMALS ARE NAZIS!

I feel they tow the line, as they can't reproduce without co-opting other creatures' cells, but you're right, wrong thread.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Those lawsuits will do nothing. And the EU has pledged to give us more funding, if anything. So on both counts, you are wrong.

Nope. The only downside is that it will take some time.

Sure, sure. Greece will keep being the EU's Shield, and the EU will keep handing cash to Greece and nothing will happen.

[Atheris]

I'm a guy, lol. Ema Skye's just my favorite AA character. Read my sig.

Alcoholics Anonymous fanfiction, huh? Interesting, I won't judge though

I...

[Mannixa Prime]

I like how self described compassionate “leftist” are fine with neo liberal corporate pressure and sanctions on Greece because they don’t want criminals fleeing a conflict created by said neo liberals.

Greece is extremely poor and has bigger issues than dealing with yet another huge national security threat.

Nothing will happen to Greece if they refuse because the people don’t want the invasion either.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Nope. The only downside is that it will take some time.

Sure, sure. Greece will keep being the EU's Shield, and the EU will keep handing cash to Greece and nothing will happen.

I love how you're trying to act proud of the fact your country is basically being propped up by the EU.

"Oh what are you gonna do to us?" Easy, cut off the cash and watch Greece turn into an uninhabited wasteland in five years. I know you're a proud Greek. But I don't think your country is as powerful anymore as you want to think it is my guy.

[Cordel One]

I like how self described compassionate “leftist” are fine with neo liberal corporate pressure and sanctions on Greece because they don’t want criminals fleeing a conflict created by said neo liberals.

Greece is extremely poor and has bigger issues than dealing with yet another huge national security threat.

Nothing will happen to Greece if they refuse because the people don’t want the invasion either.

Sanctions won't help with anything, there are better ways to make them not dump people into the ocean.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I like how self described compassionate “leftist” are fine with neo liberal corporate pressure and sanctions on Greece because they don’t want criminals fleeing a conflict created by said neo liberals.

Greece is extremely poor and has bigger issues than dealing with yet another huge national security threat.

Nothing will happen to Greece if they refuse because the people don’t want the invasion either.

It isnt an invasion. You've had a good life if a boatload of refugees showing up on the beach is an invasion to you.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Sure, sure. Greece will keep being the EU's Shield, and the EU will keep handing cash to Greece and nothing will happen.

I love how you're trying to act proud of the fact your country is basically being propped up by the EU.

"Oh what are you gonna do to us?" Easy, cut off the cash and watch Greece turn into an uninhabited wasteland in five years. I know you're a proud Greek. But I don't think your country is as powerful anymore as you want to think it is my guy.

I am an EU federalist, so of course I am proud Greece is being (rightly) supported by the EU. We are defending the borders of our Union.

[Thermodolia]

I like how self described compassionate “leftist” are fine with neo liberal corporate pressure and sanctions on Greece because they don’t want criminals fleeing a conflict created by said neo liberals.

Greece is extremely poor and has bigger issues than dealing with yet another huge national security threat.

Nothing will happen to Greece if they refuse because the people don’t want the invasion either.

Sanctions won't help with anything, there are better ways to make them not dump people into the ocean.

Like paying them to not do that?

[Former Citizens of the Nimbus System]

I am genuinely horrified at the speed with which some people in this thread seem to have completely dismissed any sense of a basic human obligation to not harm other humans. If you see someone floundering by the bank of a river within your own reach, you pull them out of the river. You certainly don't then push them back into the river if you decide you don't really like them. Whether the people considered here are criminals, non-Greeks or whatever else, whether this may be considered genocide or not, they are people and deserve to be treated with the same ethical standards as any other people.

[Outer Acharet]

I like how self described compassionate “leftist” are fine with neo liberal corporate pressure and sanctions on Greece because they don’t want criminals fleeing a conflict created by said neo liberals.

Greece is extremely poor and has bigger issues than dealing with yet another huge national security threat.

Nothing will happen to Greece if they refuse because the people don’t want the invasion either.

They are being compassionate to the plight of immigrants turned away from salvation by the government they came to seek asylum with.

However, the proposed solution- sanctioning Greece- has the consequence of Greeks suffering. Even if you don't justify that with punishing the guilty, there's no blatantly obvious solution that prevents suffering of some party.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Kemalists trashed the Megali Idea project in Greece. greek racism will never succeed. Do not undermine the way of Turkish and Greek brotherhood, let's think the same on one issue

I don't care about the Megali Idea. It is dead. I have also no problem with ordinary Turks, with whom we Greeks have many cultural similarities. What I do care about is a) Erdogan's aggression, b) Turkey pushing migrants to us.

Responding to a wrong behavior with the wrong attitude

[Cordel One]

Sanctions won't help with anything, there are better ways to make them not dump people into the ocean.

Like paying them to not do that?

Condemnation should do the trick.

Alcoholics Anonymous fanfiction, huh? Interesting, I won't judge though

I...

I'm joking ofc

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I love how you're trying to act proud of the fact your country is basically being propped up by the EU.

"Oh what are you gonna do to us?" Easy, cut off the cash and watch Greece turn into an uninhabited wasteland in five years. I know you're a proud Greek. But I don't think your country is as powerful anymore as you want to think it is my guy.

I am an EU federalist, so of course I am proud Greece is being (rightly) supported by the EU. We are defending the borders of our Union.

By letting refugees drown? Your union doesn't deserve to exist if thats how cruel it is

[Fartsniffage]

I like how self described compassionate “leftist” are fine with neo liberal corporate pressure and sanctions on Greece because they don’t want criminals fleeing a conflict created by said neo liberals.

Greece is extremely poor and has bigger issues than dealing with yet another huge national security threat.

Nothing will happen to Greece if they refuse because the people don’t want the invasion either.

Okay. Gonna make this really fucking simple for you. I'm okay with Greece trying to sort out an immigration issue that it can't deal with. I'm not okay, and neither should you be, with Greece dumping people at sea.

People, not animals, or fish, or insects. People. People dumped in the sea. How aren't you outraged by this? Honestly. Tell me why the people being dumped at sea don't deserve your outrage. Do you see them as less than people? What?

[Sao Nova Europa]

I don't care about the Megali Idea. It is dead. I have also no problem with ordinary Turks, with whom we Greeks have many cultural similarities. What I do care about is a) Erdogan's aggression, b) Turkey pushing migrants to us.

Responding to a wrong behavior with the wrong attitude

The Megali Idea is dead. No one in Greece (aside from a few crazy nationalists, who are mostly on web and trolling) wants Turkish land. We don't want war with Turkey. Many of us actually like the Turkish people. We simply want to defend our sovereignty.

[Atheris]

I...

I'm joking ofc

So was I. I explicitly had to look up "fanmade edgeworth facepalm sprite" to respond to that.

[Thermodolia]

Like paying them to not do that?

Condemnation should do the trick.

Strongly worded letters with no teeth to back them up have been proven to be useless

[Novus America]

The speed in which people can defend letting other people drown is horrific.

Greece has no responsibility for people trying to illegally enter their territory so far as I can tell. They're on their own in international waters. If the globe gets too hot and there are waves of people moving to colder regions, I can guarantee that Russia or where ever else wouldn't do any better.

There are no international waters in the Mediterranean.

This is not correct, international waters are anything outside 12NM, the Med is definitely wider than 24 NM in places.

EEZ are considered international waters.