Greece dumps refugees in Ocean tells Turkey Deal with it

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

I see you're going to do some Reductio ad Hitlerum.

"Fascists and Nazis called for immigration restrictions! You're like Hitler."

immigration restrictions != dumping desperate people in the middle of the ocean. Interesting that you're both trying to defend that...

I definitely don't think so I'm anti immigration because I think of greek citizens.

[The Reformed American Republic]

They're escorted on boats back to Turkish waters. That's immigration restrictions.

That's an interesting way to say "dumping people into the ocean".

It's more accurate actually and it doesn't result in people coming to false conclusions.

[Fartsniffage]

You're in NSG. No one gives a shit about gameplay stuff.

I wasn’t talking to you, so you don’t have to talk

Well that was impolite.

[Atheris]

They're escorted on boats back to Turkish waters. That's immigration restrictions.

That's an interesting way to say "dumping people into the ocean".

No, actually. That's exactly what's happening. They're not being dumped into the ocean.

[Gravlen]

Voluntarily.

They joined the CoE in 1949. They then signed up to the convention in 1960, 21 years before they became a member of the EEC. (By the way, Greece lied about their economic situation to get membership, so you can't say they were bullied at that point either)

I am sympathetic to Greece bearing the brunt of this crisis in the Mideast. The solution is to ask the EU to contribute more funds not to drop people in the ocean.

Yes, more money and more support. The other EU member states should help out financially, with manpower, and by taking a proportional share of the refugees.

[Aureumterra]

They're escorted on boats back to Turkish waters. That's immigration restrictions.

That's an interesting way to say "dumping people into the ocean".

Who’s dumping people into the ocean?

[The Reformed American Republic]

I wasn’t talking to you, so you don’t have to talk

Well that was impolite.

Truly you're the gold standard in that regard.

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

Well this is no more a discussion, just a I am right you are wrong story. I will go now and see where people still discuss

[Fartsniffage]

That's an interesting way to say "dumping people into the ocean".

It's more accurate actually and it doesn't result in people coming to false conclusions.

Did they allow the boats to have functioning engines?

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

I wasn’t talking to you, so you don’t have to talk

Well that was impolite.

Indeed you were impolite, learn some manners or I shall torture you with the more horrible thing in existence. You participate in Hell’s Kitchen and you lose the lamb sauce

[Gravlen]

But they haven't done so, and are obligated to honor their commitment until they do.

How are they obligated?

Because they've enshrined their obligations in domestic law.

What is going to happen if these refuse?

Personal liability, criminal prosecution, conviction for rights violations, things of that nature.

Greece is a sovereign country. International law is bullshit unless you have the balls to enforce it.

Why are you so fixated on international law while pretending domestic law doesn't exist?

[Marxist Germany]

It's more accurate actually and it doesn't result in people coming to false conclusions.

Did they allow the boats to have functioning engines?

How do the boats work just fine without engines when crossing borders illegally?

[Mannixa Prime]

Lets say for argument sake that Greece is dumping people in the ocean ( again it’s their right to even if they where) and ask ourselves this, why would you want you want to flee to a place that will dump you in the ocean?

Could it be they are not actually coming to Greece to avoid persecution? GASP who would have thought!!

[Atheris]

Well that was impolite.

Indeed you were impolite, learn some manners or I shall torture you with the more horrible thing in existence. You participate in Hell’s Kitchen and you lose the lamb sauce

That's truly hell. You better apologize, Sniffage.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Time to change domestic law then.

[Fedel]

Indeed you were impolite, learn some manners or I shall torture you with the more horrible thing in existence. You participate in Hell’s Kitchen and you lose the lamb sauce

That's truly hell. You better apologize, Sniffage.

That's Fart Sniffage to you.

[Thermodolia]

Even if most Muslims are not terrorists ( uh no shit) a super majority hold views that are just as extreme.

Bill Maher, Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins explain it quite well.

Any Abrahamic faith is incompatible with a modern, healthy, progressive and science based society.

The UK, Ireland and, Vatican city would like to: know your location

Also lol no they don't.

The Anglican Church has zero power at this point as does the Vatican. The Irish have had a gay PM and gay marriage religion isn’t as strong as you think

[Cordel One]

If they find themselves agreeing with what the modern left believes to be fascists they're right where they should be.

Damn leftists, out here saying "Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana" is a fascist. It's not like they said they support fascism right in their sig-- oh wait.

[Mannixa Prime]

How are they obligated?

Because they've enshrined their obligations in domestic law.

What is going to happen if these refuse?

Personal liability, criminal prosecution, conviction for rights violations, things of that nature.

Greece is a sovereign country. International law is bullshit unless you have the balls to enforce it.

Why are you so fixated on international law while pretending domestic law doesn't exist?

These “domestic laws” and legislation aren’t even being writen by actual Greeks and like like any law, especially when it’s neo liberal bullshit can be changed.

[Fartsniffage]

Did they allow the boats to have functioning engines?

How do the boats work just fine without engines when crossing borders illegally?

You clearly didn't read the article. You should read stuff, it makes you sound less dumb when you say dumb things having not read the article.

The boats being abandoned are either having their engines removed or their fuel drained. That's not a boat, that's a crap life raft.

[Thermodolia]

Even if most Muslims are not terrorists ( uh no shit) a super majority hold views that are just as extreme.

Bill Maher, Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins explain it quite well.

Any Abrahamic faith is incompatible with a modern, healthy, progressive and science based society.

I can count the number of atheist majority countries on my hand. I can’t count the number of economically successful countries on my hand however.

Religion or the lack of it has nothing to do with the economic power of a nation

[Fedel]

If they find themselves agreeing with what the modern left believes to be fascists they're right where they should be.

Damn leftists, out here saying "Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana" is a fascist. It's not like they said they support fascism right in their sig-- oh wait.

Don't believe I ever commented on that particular individual. Not that that matters to someone like you I'm sure.

[Atheris]

If they find themselves agreeing with what the modern left believes to be fascists they're right where they should be.

Damn leftists, out here saying "Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana" is a fascist. It's not like they said they support fascism right in their sig-- oh wait.

I believe Fedel was referring to Turkey.

[Aureumterra]

That's... the definition of a concentration camp.

Yeah realized the idiocy of my statement a second after I hit "submit". I feel there's a distinction that these poor conditions aren't equal to Auschwitz, though, which I know is what the phrase "concentration camp" evokes. Hell, that's what it made me think of right before I wrote a poorly worded response.

This post reminded me of an excellent video I watched on the importance of historical context when relating to present day

The specific timestamp for the "concentration camps" comparison during discourse

[Sao Nova Europa]

Many people here tend to not have knowledge of what is happening in the borders.

A tweet video highlighting how Turkey pushed the migrants to Greece: https://twitter.com/ISCResearch/status/1294646286587777024

A twitter thread documenting the 'peaceful' migrants and Turkey's use of them: https://twitter.com/thedukeoriginal/status/1295101018930388993

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