Greece dumps refugees in Ocean tells Turkey Deal with it

[Outer Acharet]

There will be consequences for reneging on a treaty voluntarily signed. Most likely these consequences will be being pushed out of the international sandbox. If Greece decides to split on the refugee accords like this, the I can guarantee the larger EU will decide that all these handouts they're getting might be better used given back to the constituents they came from.

The EU Commission has called Greece 'Europe's Shield' and came out in support of us. Brussels has more than once dismissed left wing MEPs accusing falsely Greece. The EU has also pledged to hand money to Greece to boost its border defense. If anything, the EU leadership is glad Greece is stopping illegal immigration (for multiple reasons, ranging from weakening of populist right to taking away a weapon of Erdogan).

Am aware, Mannixa was asking about consequences for reneging on a theoretical deal, implying that there would be none. I responded with a statement showing how there could be, especially given that Greece as part of the EU is party to certain benefits that could be withheld if the EU decided they wanted to punish Greece.

[Fedel]

Sorry, but what exactly was silly about the statement? They explained that they don't believe ANTIFA as an organization stands for actual anti-facsict values and explained that an organization like the The National Socialist Party isn't necessarily representative of National Socialism. What problem do you have with their statement?

The National Socialist party was exactly representative of their National Socialist ideology. Try to pretend that National Socialism is the same as socialism is utter bullshit. But you know that. Get better material.

Oh man. One of those "nationalism is genocide" people. This site's really gone downhill in recent years.

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

You people need to stop calling this a genocide. The Greeks are not genociding anyone. If someone tries to break into your home because he is hungry and you leave him on your front lawn to starve to death that isn't murder.

NDR and I were talking about the Rwandan Genocide.

Nice, calling me NDR. The pacific (region NS) trembles at that name!

[Cordel One]

Enforcing basic national sovereignty is literally genocide

Europe is supposed to submit to Turkish dominance and ploys.

If you find yourself agreeing with fascists you might want to rethink your positions.

The National Socialist party was exactly representative of their National Socialist ideology. Try to pretend that National Socialism is the same as socialism is utter bullshit. But you know that. Get better material.

Oh man. One of those "nationalism is genocide" people. This site's really gone downhill in recent years.

Cry me a river.

Now, can we start with the arguments again?

[Purpelia]

The EU Commission has called Greece 'Europe's Shield' and came out in support of us. Brussels has more than once dismissed left wing MEPs accusing falsely Greece. The EU has also pledged to hand money to Greece to boost its border defense. If anything, the EU leadership is glad Greece is stopping illegal immigration (for multiple reasons, ranging from weakening of populist right to taking away a weapon of Erdogan).

Am aware, Mannixa was asking about consequences for reneging on a theoretical deal, implying that there would be none. I responded with a statement showing how there could be, especially given that Greece as part of the EU is party to certain benefits that could be withheld if the EU decided they wanted to punish Greece.

Given the current state of the EU the only consequences they will get is if they don't stop all the migrants.

[Atheris]

NDR and I were talking about the Rwandan Genocide.

Nice, calling me NDR. The pacific (region NS) trembles at that name!

Huh?

[Fartsniffage]

The National Socialist party was exactly representative of their National Socialist ideology. Try to pretend that National Socialism is the same as socialism is utter bullshit. But you know that. Get better material.

Oh man. One of those "nationalism is genocide" people. This site's really gone downhill in recent years.

What? And I've been around for a while.

[Mannixa Prime]

How are they obligated? What is going to happen if these refuse?
Greece is a sovereign country. International law is bullshit unless you have the balls to enforce it.

There will be consequences for reneging on a treaty voluntarily signed. Most likely these consequences will be being pushed out of the international sandbox. If Greece decides to split on the refugee accords like this, the I can guarantee the larger EU will decide that all these handouts they're getting might be better used given back to the constituents they came from.

The EU seems to be supporting Greece right now so their willpower isn’t that strong.
If Greece wasn’t tied down under the yoke of neo liberalism they wouldn’t have economic issues to begin with thus not needing handouts. That’s why breaking away from these insane institutions are a good idea.

[Atheris]

The National Socialist party was exactly representative of their National Socialist ideology. Try to pretend that National Socialism is the same as socialism is utter bullshit. But you know that. Get better material.

Oh man. One of those "nationalism is genocide" people. This site's really gone downhill in recent years.

Shoo! You're getting straw on the carpet.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Europe is supposed to submit to Turkish dominance and ploys.

If you find yourself agreeing with fascists you might want to rethink your positions.

I see you're going to do some Reductio ad Hitlerum.

"Fascists and Nazis called for immigration restrictions! You're like Hitler."

[Cordel One]

If you find yourself agreeing with fascists you might want to rethink your positions.

I see you're going to do some Reductio ad Hitlerum.

"Fascists and Nazis called for immigration restrictions! You're like Hitler."

immigration restrictions != dumping desperate people in the middle of the ocean. Interesting that you're both trying to defend that...

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

Nice, calling me NDR. The pacific (region NS) trembles at that name!

Huh?

I am known as the NDR in the pacific

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

You people need to stop calling this a genocide. The Greeks are not genociding anyone. If someone tries to break into your home because he is hungry and you leave him on your front lawn to starve to death that isn't murder.

I agree but you have a shortcoming, refugees must be taken back to their country safely.

[Fartsniffage]

Huh?

I am known as the NDR in the pacific

You're in NSG. No one gives a shit about gameplay stuff.

[Fedel]

Europe is supposed to submit to Turkish dominance and ploys.

If you find yourself agreeing with fascists you might want to rethink your positions.

Oh man. One of those "nationalism is genocide" people. This site's really gone downhill in recent years.

Cry me a river.

Now, can we start with the arguments again?

If they find themselves agreeing with what the modern left believes to be fascists they're right where they should be.

Too late. It's already become a small sea, soon to transition into a mighty ocean.

I've broken into the whiskey so I don't know if that's advisable.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I see you're going to do some Reductio ad Hitlerum.

"Fascists and Nazis called for immigration restrictions! You're like Hitler."

immigration restrictions != dumping desperate people in the middle of the ocean. Interesting that you're both trying to defend that...

They're escorted on boats back to Turkish waters. That's immigration restrictions.

[Gravlen]

No they weren't. Their actions violated Greek laws.

Greece temporarily suspended the right to asylum, so such push backs were legal. Also, they have the support of around 70%+ Greeks according to most polls.

The Government Decree on the suspension of the submission of asylum applications were in violation of domestic law. Its popular support is irrelevant to the question of its legality.

Further, as long as they are a party to the Refugee Convention, they are bound by it, and it provides to mechanism for any such suspension of rights.

[Outer Acharet]

If you find yourself agreeing with fascists you might want to rethink your positions.

Cry me a river.

Now, can we start with the arguments again?

If they find themselves agreeing with what the modern left believes to be fascists they're right where they should be.

Too late. It's already become a small sea, soon to transition into a mighty ocean.

I've broken into the whiskey so I don't know if that's advisable.

oh no

[Mannixa Prime]

I see you're going to do some Reductio ad Hitlerum.

"Fascists and Nazis called for immigration restrictions! You're like Hitler."

immigration restrictions != dumping desperate people in the middle of the ocean. Interesting that you're both trying to defend that...

1. No one forced them to cross a dangerous ocean..
2. We need to stop electing neo-libs and neo-cons who create the conflicts making the population displacement happen in the first place.

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

I am known as the NDR in the pacific

You're in NSG. No one gives a shit about gameplay stuff.

I wasn’t talking to you, so you don’t have to talk

[Atheris]

If you find yourself agreeing with fascists you might want to rethink your positions.

Cry me a river.

Now, can we start with the arguments again?

If they find themselves agreeing with what the modern left believes to be fascists they're right where they should be.

Too late. It's already become a small sea, soon to transition into a mighty ocean.

I've broken into the whiskey so I don't know if that's advisable.

God dammit.

You're in NSG. No one gives a shit about gameplay stuff.

I wasn’t talking to you, so you don’t have to talk

Rude.

[Cordel One]

immigration restrictions != dumping desperate people in the middle of the ocean. Interesting that you're both trying to defend that...

They're escorted on boats back to Turkish waters. That's immigration restrictions.

That's an interesting way to say "dumping people into the ocean".

[Fedel]

If they find themselves agreeing with what the modern left believes to be fascists they're right where they should be.

Too late. It's already become a small sea, soon to transition into a mighty ocean.

I've broken into the whiskey so I don't know if that's advisable.

oh no

[Marxist Germany]

They came in on the same boats; it should be easy to navigate back.

[Sao Nova Europa]

People keep repeating the 'dumping people on the sea' lie, even though the (less than credible) article itself doesn't state that. Escorting boats back to Turkish territorial waters isn't the same as throwing people on sea.

Also, people keep ignoring that one of the migrants interviewed stated that they had tried to travel to Greece four times, and were returned back to Turkish territorial waters where they were taken back to Turkey. If they were on sea and drowning, they wouldn't have tried it three more times.