Greece dumps refugees in Ocean tells Turkey Deal with it

[Outer Acharet]

That's... the definition of a concentration camp.

Wow. I can't tell if you've actually bought the stuff you're spouting or not. That's how bad it's gotten.

There is a difference between a concentration camp, an internment camp, and a death camp, is what Atheris is getting at.

[Atheris]

That's... the definition of a concentration camp.

Wow. I can't tell if you've actually bought the stuff you're spouting or not. That's how bad it's gotten.

I beg your pardon? That's literally the definition of a concentration camp. Hell, even the OP of that post admitted that he defined concentration camp incorrectly.

Wow. I can't tell if you've actually bought the stuff you're spouting or not. That's how bad it's gotten.

There is a difference between a concentration camp, an internment camp, and a death camp, is what Atheris is getting at.

I'm more clearing up the definition so that people don't use it incorrectly, but yeah, that's pretty close.

[Purpelia]

Did they enter into these conventions voluntarily or were they bullied into it by the EU?

Voluntarily.

They joined the CoE in 1949. They then signed up to the convention in 1960, 21 years before they became a member of the EEC. (By the way, Greece lied about their economic situation to get membership, so you can't say they were bullied at that point either)

Thanks. I have to ask because lately the EU has been getting demanding on its subjects. So it's worth checking. And I don't have the time to google stuff right now.

[Mannixa Prime]

Greece should just withdraw from any agreement they signed.

But they haven't done so, and are obligated to honor their commitment until they do.

How are they obligated? What is going to happen if these refuse?
Greece is a sovereign country. International law is bullshit unless you have the balls to enforce it.

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

But they haven't done so, and are obligated to honor their commitment until they do.

How are they obligated? What is going to happen if these refuse?
Greece is a sovereign country. International law is bullshit unless you have the balls to enforce it.

The UN did nothing about the Rwanda genocide, A REAL GENOCIDE, so they shouldn’t complain about other things

[Fedel]

If we accept that Antifa are antifascists because their name says so, we should also accept Nazis are socialists since their name means National Socialists.

Oh don't be silly.

Sorry, but what exactly was silly about the statement? They explained that they don't believe ANTIFA as an organization stands for actual anti-facsict values and explained that an organization like the The National Socialist Party isn't necessarily representative of National Socialism. What problem do you have with their statement?

[Sao Nova Europa]

The President of the EU Commission has called Greece 'Europe's Shield' and the EU supports Greece's defense of Europe's borders. The entire leadership of the EU came to Greece to show their support of Greece during the Evros crisis. The EU stated more than once that it hasn't found any evidence we are violating any laws. As such, Greece has the support of the EU in protecting the border of the Union.

[Atheris]

How are they obligated? What is going to happen if these refuse?
Greece is a sovereign country. International law is bullshit unless you have the balls to enforce it.

The UN did nothing about the Rwanda genocide, A REAL GENOCIDE, so they shouldn’t complain about other things

Didn't France even support the genociders, or at least only help their expats?

[Atheris]

Oh don't be silly.

Sorry, but what exactly was silly about the statement? They explained that they don't believe ANTIFA as an organization stands for actual anti-facsict values and explained that an organization like the The National Socialist Party isn't necessarily representative of National Socialism. What problem do you have with their statement?

I think that's because AntiFa really isn't an organization. It's a loose band of like-minded people, some more radical than others (the actual people I have problems with).

[Outer Acharet]

But they haven't done so, and are obligated to honor their commitment until they do.

How are they obligated? What is going to happen if these refuse?
Greece is a sovereign country. International law is bullshit unless you have the balls to enforce it.

There will be consequences for reneging on a treaty voluntarily signed. Most likely these consequences will be being pushed out of the international sandbox. If Greece decides to split on the refugee accords like this, the I can guarantee the larger EU will decide that all these handouts they're getting might be better used given back to the constituents they came from.

[Fedel]

Wow. I can't tell if you've actually bought the stuff you're spouting or not. That's how bad it's gotten.

I beg your pardon? That's literally the definition of a concentration camp. Hell, even the OP of that post admitted that he defined concentration camp incorrectly.

There is a difference between a concentration camp, an internment camp, and a death camp, is what Atheris is getting at.

I'm more clearing up the definition so that people don't use it incorrectly, but yeah, that's pretty close.

The OP of the post is incorrect to suggest that temporary holding facilities for illegal immigrants qualifies the people being held there as "political prisoners" or persecuted minorities."

[Atheris]

I beg your pardon? That's literally the definition of a concentration camp. Hell, even the OP of that post admitted that he defined concentration camp incorrectly.

I'm more clearing up the definition so that people don't use it incorrectly, but yeah, that's pretty close.

The OP of the post is incorrect to suggest that temporary holding facilities for illegal immigrants qualifies the people being held there as "political prisoners" or persecuted minorities."

The definition said "especially," not "only".

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

The UN did nothing about the Rwanda genocide, A REAL GENOCIDE, so they shouldn’t complain about other things

Didn't France even support the genociders, or at least only help their expats?

The people on vacation were taken out, the UN peacekeepers did nothing. If I am correct they used machetes for the murdering imported from the People’s Republic of China. Hotel Rwanda is a good movie about it all, with war machine from avengers as MC

[Purpelia]

You people need to stop calling this a genocide. The Greeks are not genociding anyone. If someone tries to break into your home because he is hungry and you leave him on your front lawn to starve to death that isn't murder.

[Rusozak]

The President of the EU Commission has called Greece 'Europe's Shield' and the EU supports Greece's defense of Europe's borders. The entire leadership of the EU came to Greece to show their support of Greece during the Evros crisis. The EU stated more than once that it hasn't found any evidence we are violating any laws. As such, Greece has the support of the EU in protecting the border of the Union.

That's a hell of a way to protect your borders.

[Mannixa Prime]

How are they obligated? What is going to happen if these refuse?
Greece is a sovereign country. International law is bullshit unless you have the balls to enforce it.

The UN did nothing about the Rwanda genocide, A REAL GENOCIDE, so they shouldn’t complain about other things

Agreed and countless more examples. International Law is just fancy talk for trying to spread neo liberalism and open borders regardless of the cost.

[Outer Acharet]

Oh don't be silly.

Sorry, but what exactly was silly about the statement? They explained that they don't believe ANTIFA as an organization stands for actual anti-facsict values and explained that an organization like the The National Socialist Party isn't necessarily representative of National Socialism. What problem do you have with their statement?

Even if Antifa doesn't stand for actual anti-Fascist values, the whole unifying factor for the movement is punching self-avowed Fascists in the face. That's somewhat adversarial, if you ask me.

[Atheris]

Didn't France even support the genociders, or at least only help their expats?

The people on vacation were taken out, the UN peacekeepers did nothing. If I am correct they used machetes for the murdering imported from the People’s Republic of China. Hotel Rwanda is a good movie about it all, with war machine from avengers as MC

I've only watched the Feature History video on it. I'll check out Hotel Rwanda.

Also, I like Don Cheadle.

[Sao Nova Europa]

How are they obligated? What is going to happen if these refuse?
Greece is a sovereign country. International law is bullshit unless you have the balls to enforce it.

There will be consequences for reneging on a treaty voluntarily signed. Most likely these consequences will be being pushed out of the international sandbox. If Greece decides to split on the refugee accords like this, the I can guarantee the larger EU will decide that all these handouts they're getting might be better used given back to the constituents they came from.

The EU Commission has called Greece 'Europe's Shield' and came out in support of us. Brussels has more than once dismissed left wing MEPs accusing falsely Greece. The EU has also pledged to hand money to Greece to boost its border defense. If anything, the EU leadership is glad Greece is stopping illegal immigration (for multiple reasons, ranging from weakening of populist right to taking away a weapon of Erdogan).

[Cordel One]

I acknowledge the discssion on American racism but choose not to respond because it's off topic and I've gone far enough

You do know what it means to be an anti-anti-fascist, right?

The meaning of Antifa is anti-fascist, but the groups called Antifa act like fascists. I have seen them marching like how germany did in their dark times, I have seen them beat people up for being white or just standing in the wrong place, stealing and destroying around them, they don’t even support free speech.


I am against fascism, but no way will I support a group who is becoming like the very thing they swore to destroy.

you were said to destroy the fascists not join them!
-Obi Wan on Antifa

Ahem.

Antifa isn't a group, it's just a term for anti-fascists. If you're against what some anti-fascists do but still oppose fascism, you're antifa.

[Fartsniffage]

Oh don't be silly.

Sorry, but what exactly was silly about the statement? They explained that they don't believe ANTIFA as an organization stands for actual anti-facsict values and explained that an organization like the The National Socialist Party isn't necessarily representative of National Socialism. What problem do you have with their statement?

The National Socialist party was exactly representative of their National Socialist ideology. Try to pretend that National Socialism is the same as socialism is utter bullshit. But you know that. Get better material.

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

You people need to stop calling this a genocide. The Greeks are not genociding anyone. If someone tries to break into your home because he is hungry and you leave him on your front lawn to starve to death that isn't murder.

This was about a real genocide, the Rwandan genocide.

Greece was in their right and it clearly was no genocide

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Voluntarily.

They joined the CoE in 1949. They then signed up to the convention in 1960, 21 years before they became a member of the EEC. (By the way, Greece lied about their economic situation to get membership, so you can't say they were bullied at that point either)

I am sympathetic to Greece bearing the brunt of this crisis in the Mideast. The solution is to ask the EU to contribute more funds not to drop people in the ocean.

Thus, you increase the crime rate, the only solution is for people to return home. Must be able to visit with a passport and have the right to fulfill citizenship requirements. I'm really sorry but the world is such a bad place

[The Reformed American Republic]

I’m still waiting for this “genocide” OP speaks of

Enforcing basic national sovereignty is literally genocide

Europe is supposed to submit to Turkish dominance and ploys.

[Atheris]

You people need to stop calling this a genocide. The Greeks are not genociding anyone. If someone tries to break into your home because he is hungry and you leave him on your front lawn to starve to death that isn't murder.

NDR and I were talking about the Rwandan Genocide.