Greece dumps refugees in Ocean tells Turkey Deal with it

[Aureumterra]

America is definitely racist, but that doesn't mean we're the only racist country with atrocities on our hands. Anyways, as to the comment you responded to:

It's easy to talk about overthrowing dictators when you don't live under them. These people are afraid for their lives. Many have families and children. They came to Greece because they have no other options, but instead of receiving the protection they need Greece throws them into the ocean.

List of countries whose inhabitants or their ancestors have committed atrocities: For your reading pleasure.

I legitimately laughed out loud

[Atheris]

I wouldn't go that far. 1962 and 1992 were definitely things that made most of America experience feelings of racism.

What happened in 1962?

I meant 1968, but I was referring to the Civil Rights Movement. I'll edit my post accordingly.

[Aureumterra]

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Nice, anything to add to the actual discussion?

[Cordel One]

America is definitely racist, but that doesn't mean we're the only racist country with atrocities on our hands. Anyways, as to the comment you responded to:

It's easy to talk about overthrowing dictators when you don't live under them. These people are afraid for their lives. Many have families and children. They came to Greece because they have no other options, but instead of receiving the protection they need Greece throws them into the ocean.

America is not an entity that can experience feelings of racism. Some of its people might be racist of course, some countries are more racist and others are less. :>

This is getting off-topic, but

-Cops and courts are biased against minorities and over police them.
-A ridiculously oversized percentage of the US prison population is minorities.
-ICE runs concentration camps.
-Minorities are de facto segregated from whites and it's more difficult to obtain a high-level job
-etc.

[Mannixa Prime]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/greece.gree ... -show/amp/



I realize this is an older article but Greece doesn’t have the strongest economy.

They can’t afford to take anyone in much less deal with the violence.

[Drew Durrnil]

America is not an entity that can experience feelings of racism. Some of its people might be racist of course, some countries are more racist and others are less. :>

This is getting off-topic, but

-Cops and courts are biased against minorities and over police them.
-A ridiculously oversized percentage of the US prison population is minorities.
-ICE runs concentration camps.
-Minorities are de facto segregated from whites and it's more difficult to obtain a high-level job
-etc.

I personally don't think America should even exist anymore, they should just be separated by states with an alliance between them.

[Cordel One]

America is definitely racist, but that doesn't mean we're the only racist country with atrocities on our hands. Anyways, as to the comment you responded to:

It's easy to talk about overthrowing dictators when you don't live under them. These people are afraid for their lives. Many have families and children. They came to Greece because they have no other options, but instead of receiving the protection they need Greece throws them into the ocean.

List of countries whose inhabitants or their ancestors have committed atrocities: For your reading pleasure.

Thank you for this
This is why I want to abolish the state and establish communism

I personally don't think America should even exist anymore, they should just be separated by states with an alliance between them.

Absolutely, decentralization is awesome! We should really just abolish the state though

[Atheris]

List of countries whose inhabitants or their ancestors have committed atrocities: For your reading pleasure.

Thank you for this
This is why I want to abolish the state and establish communism

cringe

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

America is not an entity that can experience feelings of racism. Some of its people might be racist of course, some countries are more racist and others are less. :>

This is getting off-topic, but

-Cops and courts are biased against minorities and over police them.
-A ridiculously oversized percentage of the US prison population is minorities.
-ICE runs concentration camps.
-Minorities are de facto segregated from whites and it's more difficult to obtain a high-level job
-etc.

I wanted to reply, but I saw your pros and cons, had a flashback and decided that no conversation is possible

[Aureumterra]

This is getting off-topic, but

-Cops and courts are biased against minorities and over police them.
-A ridiculously oversized percentage of the US prison population is minorities.
-ICE runs concentration camps.
-Minorities are de facto segregated from whites and it's more difficult to obtain a high-level job
-etc.

I personally don't think America should even exist anymore, they should just be separated by states with an alliance between them.

This sounds like something Putin would suggest

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

This is getting off-topic, but

-Cops and courts are biased against minorities and over police them.
-A ridiculously oversized percentage of the US prison population is minorities.
-ICE runs concentration camps.
-Minorities are de facto segregated from whites and it's more difficult to obtain a high-level job
-etc.

I personally don't think America should even exist anymore, they should just be separated by states with an alliance between them.

Hand it back to the British, they need some tea in their lives

[VlaRiSsiA]

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Nice, anything to add to the actual discussion?

Well, I mean this thread is kind of going off topic. But if you want my input on the detour, I personally believe that both America and most other countries have issues with systemic racism in one or another form.

[Cordel One]

This is getting off-topic, but

-Cops and courts are biased against minorities and over police them.
-A ridiculously oversized percentage of the US prison population is minorities.
-ICE runs concentration camps.
-Minorities are de facto segregated from whites and it's more difficult to obtain a high-level job
-etc.

I wanted to reply, but I saw your pros and cons, had a flashback and decided that no conversation is possible

This do be a bruh moment

[Atheris]

I personally don't think America should even exist anymore, they should just be separated by states with an alliance between them.

Hand it back to the British, they need some tea in their lives

Give India back to the British, too. I liked the borders of the Raj.

[Fedel]

America is not an entity that can experience feelings of racism. Some of its people might be racist of course, some countries are more racist and others are less. :>

This is getting off-topic, but

-Cops and courts are biased against minorities and over police them.
-A ridiculously oversized percentage of the US prison population is minorities.
-ICE runs concentration camps.
-Minorities are de facto segregated from whites and it's more difficult to obtain a high-level job
-etc.

It is off topic but since you made the statement:

- I would say that issues like the inferior economic situation of minorities as a result of past unfortunate realities tends to create more crimes in their communities leading to law enforcement officers having to deal with minorities more on a daily basis creating a perfectly natural ( if undesirable ) bias in many of them and I would agree this needs to be combated in a variety of ways. Would be interested in seeing a source on the court bias though. Haven't see evidence for that yet myself ( not saying it's not possible of course ).
- Read above.
- What's a "conentration camp" in your mind? Were you aware that many of the existing "camps" you're likely talking about existed under the Obama administration as well.
- Market forces discriminate against them. The US and state government discriminates in favor of minorities.

[Mannixa Prime]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/greece.greekreporter.com/2018/10/17/one-in-three-greeks-lives-in-danger-of-poverty-data-show/amp/



I realize this is an older article but Greece doesn’t have the strongest economy.

They can’t afford to take anyone in much less deal with the violence.

[Aureumterra]

I’m still waiting for this “genocide” OP speaks of

Enforcing basic national sovereignty is literally genocide

[New Vedan]

Every sovereign state has a right to deny refugees access to its borders. While it may not be kosher, this is not genocide and the greeks are within there rights to deport them this way.

[Greed and Death]

America is not an entity that can experience feelings of racism. Some of its people might be racist of course, some countries are more racist and others are less. :>

This is getting off-topic, but

-Cops and courts are biased against minorities and over police them.
-A ridiculously oversized percentage of the US prison population is minorities.
-ICE runs concentration camps.
-Minorities are de facto segregated from whites and it's more difficult to obtain a high-level job
-etc.

The US has a lot of problems we are not dumping Mexicans into the gulf of Mexico though.

[Nuroblav]

I personally don't think America should even exist anymore, they should just be separated by states with an alliance between them.

Hand it back to the British, they need some tea in their lives

Nah I think we're fine

Drew's idea sounds quite good in my opinion, but that's for another time.

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

I wanted to reply, but I saw your pros and cons, had a flashback and decided that no conversation is possible

This do be a bruh moment

Nothing against you, but I saw pro Antifa, pro anarchism and anti police


Nah I’m not even gonna start

[Atheris]

This is getting off-topic, but

-Cops and courts are biased against minorities and over police them.
-A ridiculously oversized percentage of the US prison population is minorities.
-ICE runs concentration camps.
-Minorities are de facto segregated from whites and it's more difficult to obtain a high-level job
-etc.

It is off topic but since you made the statement:

- I would say that issues like the inferior economic situation of minorities tends to create more crimes in their communities leading to law enforcement officers having to deal with minorities more on a daily basis creating a perfectly natural ( if undesirable bias ) in many of them and I would agree this needs to be combated in a variety of ways. Would be interested in seeing a source on the court bias though. Haven't see evidence for that myself ( not saying it's not possible of course ).
- Read above.
- What's a "conentration camp" in your mind?
- Market forces discriminate against them. The US and state government discriminates in favor of minorities.

1. Concentration camp != extermination camp. What ICE is doing to groups of migrants does classify as putting them in concentration camps.
2. The federal and state governments do not discriminate.

[Cordel One]

This is getting off-topic, but

-Cops and courts are biased against minorities and over police them.
-A ridiculously oversized percentage of the US prison population is minorities.
-ICE runs concentration camps.
-Minorities are de facto segregated from whites and it's more difficult to obtain a high-level job
-etc.

It is off topic but since you made the statement

- I would say that issues like the inferior economic situation of minorities tends to create more crimes in their communities leading to law enforcement officers having to deal with minorities more on a daily basis creating a perfectly natural ( if undesirable bias ) in many of them and I would agree this needs to be combated in a variety of ways. Would be interested in seeing a source on the court bias though. Haven't see evidence for that myself ( not saying it's not possible of course ).
- Read above.
- What's a "conentration camp" in your mind?
- Market forces discriminate against them. The US government discriminates in favor of minorities.

-It sure is interesting how they're in an inferior economic situation, it's almost like some outside influence is making it more difficult for them to succeed
-"a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities" - Oxford
-The market is racist, but the government really isn't helping.

[Gravlen]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/greece.greekreporter.com/2018/10/17/one-in-three-greeks-lives-in-danger-of-poverty-data-show/amp/



I realize this is an older article but Greece doesn’t have the strongest economy.

They can’t afford to take anyone in much less deal with the violence.

If they can't afford it they should leave the Refugee Convention, the EU, and the Council of Europe, in addition to changing their domestic laws.

Until then, as long as Greece themselves say they will give the right of asylum to any refugee, they should abide by the obligations they have set for themselves.

[Gravlen]

Every sovereign state has a right to deny refugees access to its borders. While it may not be kosher, this is not genocide and the greeks are within there rights to deport them this way.

No they weren't. Their actions violated Greek laws.