Greece dumps refugees in Ocean tells Turkey Deal with it

[Heloin]

So accepting these people is wrong? And why is it wrong?

Why can't the Turks take them?

Or or, the Greek government can have some basic decency and just drop them off at Turkey instead of just leaving them in the ocean for no other reason than petty spite.

Why, so the Turks drive them into Greek islands again?

[Saiwania]

And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?

That is just how real life is. You have to deal with the hand you're dealt. Just because someone else has a problem in their life doesn't mean it has anything to do with what another country does. So far as Greece is concerned, these are people they shouldn't have to take and I'm more inclined to be in agreement with that. They don't have any inherent right to Greece's resources and more just because they attempted to make the journey.

[Strala]

And how is leaving a bunch of migrants to potentially die going to help that other than spiting the Turks?

I'm fine with them dropping them off on Turkish islands, but they certainly don't need to take them in.

Leaving them with Turkish is different compared to dumping the migrants into the sea and hope that a Turkish patrol will find them.

[Nazeroth]

Why Greece? Why?

too much for their infrastructure to handle i presume.

Why can't the Turks take them?

why can't we treat them like normal people? that's exactly what they are.

Turkey can treat them like "normal people(whatever that is trying to imply)", have at it.

[Heloin]

That doesn't mean the road to heaven is paved bad intentions.

true, but their is a reason almost nobody uses that saying, because it's not relavent.

Your saying that. Your saying that these migrants being left at sea to die doesn't matter.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Iraq, Jordain, Iran, Lebanon, etc.

Really? Okay.

Iraq is pretty much suffering the same as Syria, but in the least, it’s not embroiled in a civil war like Syria is. There are still probably many elements fighting in the western parts of Iraq.

Lebanon has been going through quite a bit of turmoil in the past few months now. Not to mention Hezbollah does have a lot of operations there. The situation is only getting worse since the government is rather chaotic at the moment.

Iran is yet another dictatorial country. I’m sure Syrians who are tired of Assad won’t like Khomeini either.

Jordan’s involved in coalition fighting, and has a few camps along the border iirc, but jobs there probably don’t match opportunities in Europe.

Israel’s a no-go considering frosty relations between virtually every Muslim government and by extension, the Muslim people towards Israel.

Saudi Arabia is another dictatorship.

Europe simply sounds like the best option.

[Nazeroth]

And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?

That is just how real life is. You have to deal with the hand you're dealt. Just because someone else has a problem in their life doesn't mean it has anything to do with what another country does. So far as Greece is concerned, these are people they shouldn't have to take and I'm more inclined to be in agreement with that. They don't have any inherent right to Greece's resources and more just because they attempted to make the journey.

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[Andsed]

And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?

That is just how real life is. You have to deal with the hand you're dealt. Just because someone else has a problem in their life doesn't mean it has anything to do with what another country does. So far as Greece is concerned, these are people they shouldn't have to take and I'm more inclined to be in agreement with that. They don't have any inherent right to Greece's resources and more just because they attempted to make the journey.

They do however have the right to be treated with some semblance of basic human decency. Dumping them in the sea and just hoping someone finds them is a major violation of that.

[Heloin]

And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?

That is just how real life is. You have to deal with the hand you're dealt. Just because someone else has a problem in their life doesn't mean it has anything to do with what another country does. So far as Greece is concerned, these are people they shouldn't have to take and I'm more inclined to be in agreement with that. They don't have any inherent right to Greece's resources and more just because they attempted to make the journey.

Greece doesn't have the right to murder people for wanting a better life.

[Mathuvan Union]

too much for their infrastructure to handle i presume.
why can't we treat them like normal people? that's exactly what they are.

Turkey can treat them like "normal people(whatever that is trying to imply)", have at it.

you know what I'm trying to imply. the world treats these people like they're something else.
Why don't we just invade syria? stabilise it?

[The Marlborough]

Iraq, Jordain, Iran, Lebanon, etc.

Really? Okay.

Iraq is pretty much suffering the same as Syria, but in the least, it’s not embroiled in a civil war like Syria is. There are still probably many elements fighting in the western parts of Iraq.

Lebanon has been going through quite a bit of turmoil in the past few months now. Not to mention Hezbollah does have a lot of operations there. The situation is only getting worse since the government is rather chaotic at the moment.

Iran is yet another dictatorial country. I’m sure Syrians who are tired of Assad won’t like Khomeini either.

Jordan’s involved in coalition fighting, and has a few camps along the border iirc, but jobs there probably don’t match opportunities in Europe.

Israel’s a no-go considering frosty relations between virtually every Muslim government and by extension, the Muslim people towards Israel.

Saudi Arabia is another dictatorship.

Europe simply sounds like the best option.

Refugees aren't supposed to be looking for the best job opportunities, but for safe havens willing to take them in.

[Nazeroth]

That is just how real life is. You have to deal with the hand you're dealt. Just because someone else has a problem in their life doesn't mean it has anything to do with what another country does. So far as Greece is concerned, these are people they shouldn't have to take and I'm more inclined to be in agreement with that. They don't have any inherent right to Greece's resources and more just because they attempted to make the journey.

They do however have the right to be treated with some semblance of basic human decency. Dumping them in the sea and just hoping someone finds them is a major violation of that.

Sure, they have the right to go somewhere else, if a nation says " Do not come here, we will not offer you pity" and your dumb enough to make that journey anyways, then(adult time ladies and gents) you accept the consequences of your actions.

Western Nations do not need to be the dumping ground of the entire third world.

[The Marlborough]

Turkey can treat them like "normal people(whatever that is trying to imply)", have at it.

you know what I'm trying to imply. the world treats these people like they're something else.
Why don't we just invade syria? stabilise it?

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[Strala]

And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?

That is just how real life is. You have to deal with the hand you're dealt. Just because someone else has a problem in their life doesn't mean it has anything to do with what another country does. So far as Greece is concerned, these are people they shouldn't have to take and I'm more inclined to be in agreement with that. They don't have any inherent right to Greece's resources and more just because they attempted to make the journey.

They do not nor do I believe that, but there's a difference from turning them away and sending them to another nation and just dumping them at sea.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?

That is just how real life is. You have to deal with the hand you're dealt. Just because someone else has a problem in their life doesn't mean it has anything to do with what another country does. So far as Greece is concerned, these are people they shouldn't have to take and I'm more inclined to be in agreement with that. They don't have any inherent right to Greece's resources and more just because they attempted to make the journey.

So Greece should be allowed to let them drift away in the Mediterranean?

And many of the camps have UN supplies, it isn’t really taking a lot off of Greece’s stuff.

A breach of international law is a breach of international law. It is an abhorrent disregard for human rights and people’s lives. I hope Athens reconsiders this decision and saves as many lives as it has threatened.

It’s as simple as this. Who gives a fuck if international law implementation is sloppy at best? If there is a clear violation, the UN and related bodies can definitely act on this.

[Nazeroth]

That is just how real life is. You have to deal with the hand you're dealt. Just because someone else has a problem in their life doesn't mean it has anything to do with what another country does. So far as Greece is concerned, these are people they shouldn't have to take and I'm more inclined to be in agreement with that. They don't have any inherent right to Greece's resources and more just because they attempted to make the journey.

Greece doesn't have the right to murder people for wanting a better life.

and "wanting a better life" could be seen as an invasion of a sovereign nation.

if millions of my people spill over your border without weapons and demand resources, that's an invasion no matter how you want to doll it up.

[Mathuvan Union]

you know what I'm trying to imply. the world treats these people like they're something else.
Why don't we just invade syria? stabilise it?

L O L
O
L

there's a serious amount of people trying to escape it.
it's true. we would never be in this situation.

[Andsed]

They do however have the right to be treated with some semblance of basic human decency. Dumping them in the sea and just hoping someone finds them is a major violation of that.

Sure, they have the right to go somewhere else, if a nation says " Do not come here, we will not offer you pity" and your dumb enough to make that journey anyways, then(adult time ladies and gents) you accept the consequences of your actions.

Western Nations do not need to be the dumping ground of the entire third world.

Those consequences should be simple deportation. Not being murdered because some Greeks are either to lazy to drop them off on land or just spiteful.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Really? Okay.

Iraq is pretty much suffering the same as Syria, but in the least, it’s not embroiled in a civil war like Syria is. There are still probably many elements fighting in the western parts of Iraq.

Lebanon has been going through quite a bit of turmoil in the past few months now. Not to mention Hezbollah does have a lot of operations there. The situation is only getting worse since the government is rather chaotic at the moment.

Iran is yet another dictatorial country. I’m sure Syrians who are tired of Assad won’t like Khomeini either.

Jordan’s involved in coalition fighting, and has a few camps along the border iirc, but jobs there probably don’t match opportunities in Europe.

Israel’s a no-go considering frosty relations between virtually every Muslim government and by extension, the Muslim people towards Israel.

Saudi Arabia is another dictatorship.

Europe simply sounds like the best option.

Refugees aren't supposed to be looking for the best job opportunities, but for safe havens willing to take them in.

But they know that if they want to stay there, they have to take a shot at getting a job.

[Nazeroth]

That is just how real life is. You have to deal with the hand you're dealt. Just because someone else has a problem in their life doesn't mean it has anything to do with what another country does. So far as Greece is concerned, these are people they shouldn't have to take and I'm more inclined to be in agreement with that. They don't have any inherent right to Greece's resources and more just because they attempted to make the journey.

So Greece should be allowed to let them drift away in the Mediterranean?

And many of the camps have UN supplies, it isn’t really taking a lot off of Greece’s stuff.

A breach of international law is a breach of international law. It is an abhorrent disregard for human rights and people’s lives. I hope Athens reconsiders this decision and saves as many lives as it has threatened.

It’s as simple as this. Who gives a fuck if international law implementation is sloppy at best? If there is a clear violation, the UN and related bodies can definitely act on this.

you should give a fuck when international law is used to bludgeion cucked western nations into making them feel guilty.

International Law is a facade used to push untold thousands of people onto western lands.

How about you have some damn standards.

[Vaspelia]

Their status as illegal immigrants does not mean they are not still human beings who deserve to be treated with some semblance of dignity. Aka not being left to the mercy seas.

Of course. That's why i add the idea of encourage institutional transparency in Greek autorities.

And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?

One thinks of the reciving country of the inmigrants, but i hadn't see people talking about the brain drain that the migrated country suffers from losing it's educated citizens. All governemts, no matter if left or right, black or white. Always chooses the best among the whole collective of inmigrants. I support an armistice in the Syrian Conflict (but that's not the thread topic here).

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

So Greece should be allowed to let them drift away in the Mediterranean?

And many of the camps have UN supplies, it isn’t really taking a lot off of Greece’s stuff.



It’s as simple as this. Who gives a fuck if international law implementation is sloppy at best? If there is a clear violation, the UN and related bodies can definitely act on this.

you should give a fuck when international law is used to bludgeion cucked western nations into making them feel guilty.

International Law is a facade used to push untold thousands of people onto western lands.

How about you have some damn standards.

Okay, give us some cases of such.

[Nazeroth]

Sure, they have the right to go somewhere else, if a nation says " Do not come here, we will not offer you pity" and your dumb enough to make that journey anyways, then(adult time ladies and gents) you accept the consequences of your actions.

Western Nations do not need to be the dumping ground of the entire third world.

Those consequences should be simple deportation. Not being murdered because some Greeks are either to lazy to drop them off on land or just spiteful.

You can keep calling it murder, it's national defence.

Nobody made them make that trip, these were PERSONAL decisions.

[Strala]

They do however have the right to be treated with some semblance of basic human decency. Dumping them in the sea and just hoping someone finds them is a major violation of that.

Sure, they have the right to go somewhere else, if a nation says " Do not come here, we will not offer you pity" and your dumb enough to make that journey anyways, then(adult time ladies and gents) you accept the consequences of your actions.

Western Nations do not need to be the dumping ground of the entire third world.

So Western Nations are allowed to criticize other nations for their human right abuses and how cruel they are to other people but when it comes to them actually doing something about it, they are allowed to back out and kick other people out. The western world is supposed to be a beacon to show the rest of the world how they should run things.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Their status as illegal immigrants does not mean they are not still human beings who deserve to be treated with some semblance of dignity. Aka not being left to the mercy seas.

Of course. That's why i add the idea of encourage institutional transparency in Greek autorities.

And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?

One thinks of the reciving country of the inmigrants, but i hadn't see people talking about the brain drain that the migrated country suffers from losing it's educated citizens. All governemts, no matter if left or right, black or white. Always chooses the best among the whole collective of inmigrants. I support an armistice in the Syrian Conflict (but that's not the thread topic here).

When the Syrian government chose to bomb their own cities, they essentially guaranteed that brain drain you talk of.