Greece dumps refugees in Ocean tells Turkey Deal with it

[Andsed]

So you think that something needs to be done to save those people?

Turkish coast guard can fish them out if they are feeling inclined.

Or or, the Greek government can have some basic decency and just drop them off at Turkey instead of just leaving them in the ocean for no other reason than petty spite.

[Nazeroth]

Turkish coast guard can fish them out if they are feeling inclined.

Or or, the Greek government can have some basic decency and just drop them off at Turkey instead of just leaving them in the ocean for no other reason than petty spite.

Why, so the Turks drive them into Greek islands again?

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Even if they are illegal immigrants, there are better options, like turning or driving them away at Turkey instead of leaving them to drift away at sea, their fate at the hands of the ocean if they lack an engine.

As humans, these people still have a right to be treated decently, especially if they have done no crime (except for the illegal immigration). One would think they’d be better off at Greece because there they have not much concern about the security of the location, whether or not an air raid is to happen there and if food and water would be easily accessible.



In the very least, at least it exists and is enforced in some form and there are quite a lot of people who would wish for a better implementation of such. Unlike Saudi Arabia, which as mentioned didn’t really have a good track record of implementing such rights.

I don't really give a crap, until nations like Turkey are actually held accountable Greece should handle business as they see fit, "international law" is just a weapon used by third world dictators to slam western nations like Israel and Greece.

in other words: Fuck'em

While I for one agree that the UN is fucking useless, it at leasts sets some form of morality check for how countries are operating. International law is definitely more than just a weapon for nations to hit one another on their heads.

Say, what do you think Turkey is accountable for?

[Andsed]

Exactly. Is basic human decency to care for others so hard?

"basic human standards" these days often leads to " let thousands of migrants into your nation and if you don't want it your racist"

No. It means ¨not leaving innocents to potentially drown because your either too lazy or spiteful to simply drop them off from where they came from.

[Mathuvan Union]

Or or, the Greek government can have some basic decency and just drop them off at Turkey instead of just leaving them in the ocean for no other reason than petty spite.

Why, so the Turks drive them into Greek islands again?

who'll just put them in the water?
this can't end well.

[Vaspelia]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/world/europe/greece-migrants-abandoning-sea.html

Greece is abandoning 1000 plus migrants at sea. These are migrants that were on dry land in Greece they were taken to international waters and dumped with a life jacket on. I am sorry if this OP is sparse I am just at a loss for words at the moment. Even my most in character antics do not approach dump a thousand people at sea.

What sort of sanctions can we bring to bear against Greece to stop this.

This isn't the first time a European country has done this, i believe. While of course the Greek authorities must stop any clandestine operations, not for the sake of morality, but of institutional transparency. These inmigrants are not of Greece's responsability, they aren't citizens of the country and they are entering illegally. Calling this "genocide" is laughable OP.

“Syrians are suffering in Turkey,” Mr. Fattouh said. “We’re suffering in Greece. Where are we supposed to go?”

Iraq, Jordain, Iran, Lebanon, etc.

[Khoronzon]

No. It means ¨not leaving innocents to potentially drown because your either too lazy or spiteful to simply drop them off from where they came from.

It doesn't mean anything, it's a spook.

[Andsed]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/world/europe/greece-migrants-abandoning-sea.html

Greece is abandoning 1000 plus migrants at sea. These are migrants that were on dry land in Greece they were taken to international waters and dumped with a life jacket on. I am sorry if this OP is sparse I am just at a loss for words at the moment. Even my most in character antics do not approach dump a thousand people at sea.

What sort of sanctions can we bring to bear against Greece to stop this.

This isn't the first time a European country has done this, i believe. While of course the Greek authorities must stop any clandestine operations, not for the sake of morality, but of institutional transparency. These inmigrants are not of Greece's responsability, they aren't citizens of the country and they are entering illegally.

“Syrians are suffering in Turkey,” Mr. Fattouh said. “We’re suffering in Greece. Where are we supposed to go?”

Iraq, Jordain, Iran, Lebanon, etc.

Their status as illegal immigrants does not mean they are not still human beings who deserve to be treated with some semblance of dignity. Aka not being left to the mercy seas.

[Nazeroth]

I don't really give a crap, until nations like Turkey are actually held accountable Greece should handle business as they see fit, "international law" is just a weapon used by third world dictators to slam western nations like Israel and Greece.

in other words: Fuck'em

While I for one agree that the UN is fucking useless, it at leasts sets some form of morality check for how countries are operating. International law is definitely more than just a weapon for nations to hit one another on their heads.

Say, what do you think Turkey is accountable for?

The Turks were pushing migrants into Greece, attempting to destroy fences and in general harassing Greece forces trying to protect their borders and assisting illegal migrants in trying to break those barriers.

I think this was only a month or two ago(maybe more)

[Heloin]

So you think that something needs to be done to save those people?

Turkish coast guard can fish them out if they are feeling inclined.

So you brought up slave markets just to feel smug then?

Or or, the Greek government can have some basic decency and just drop them off at Turkey instead of just leaving them in the ocean for no other reason than petty spite.

Why, so the Turks drive them into Greek islands again?

Your not arguing for a solution if you think people dying is a good solution.

[The Marlborough]

Greece has no responsibility and turkey is close enough to travel too. Hardly abandonment.

You have to be fucking joking.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Or or, the Greek government can have some basic decency and just drop them off at Turkey instead of just leaving them in the ocean for no other reason than petty spite.

Why, so the Turks drive them into Greek islands again?

Oh. The migrants see Europe as a better place, some likely see Turkey as the same repressive authoritarian government, just with the fake title of democratic labelled in the description.

Europe has much more opportunities as well, given lower end jobs are usually left for the people on the lower runga of the ladder. It probably gives better pay than many jobs in Syria.

[Nazeroth]

Why, so the Turks drive them into Greek islands again?

who'll just put them in the water?
this can't end well.

oh well? It's sad but this is a bigger issue that just some migrants in the water, Turkey, under Erdogen, is experiencing a sort of Neo-Ottoman revival.

[Strala]

Exactly. Is basic human decency to care for others so hard?

"basic human standards" these days often leads to " let thousands of migrants into your nation and if you don't want it your racist"

And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?

[Mathuvan Union]

who'll just put them in the water?
this can't end well.

oh well? It's sad but this is a bigger issue that just some migrants in the water, Turkey, under Erdogen, is experiencing a sort of Neo-Ottoman revival.

well it shouldn't be the result of their situation being so bad they have to flee to europe.

[Nazeroth]

"basic human standards" these days often leads to " let thousands of migrants into your nation and if you don't want it your racist"

And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?

the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Andsed]

who'll just put them in the water?
this can't end well.

oh well? It's sad but this is a bigger issue that just some migrants in the water, Turkey, under Erdogen, is experiencing a sort of Neo-Ottoman revival.

And how is leaving a bunch of migrants to potentially die going to help that other than spiting the Turks?

[Strala]

And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?

the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

So accepting these people is wrong? And why is it wrong?

[Tolopel]

Why Greece? Why?

[Nazeroth]

oh well? It's sad but this is a bigger issue that just some migrants in the water, Turkey, under Erdogen, is experiencing a sort of Neo-Ottoman revival.

And how is leaving a bunch of migrants to potentially die going to help that other than spiting the Turks?

I'm fine with them dropping them off on Turkish islands, but they certainly don't need to take them in.

[Heloin]

And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?

the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

That doesn't mean the road to heaven is paved bad intentions.

[Nazeroth]

the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

So accepting these people is wrong? And why is it wrong?

Why can't the Turks take them?

[The Islands of Versilia]

A breach of international law is a breach of international law. It is an abhorrent disregard for human rights and people’s lives. I hope Athens reconsiders this decision and saves as many lives as it has threatened.

[Mathuvan Union]

Why Greece? Why?

too much for their infrastructure to handle i presume.

So accepting these people is wrong? And why is it wrong?

Why can't the Turks take them?

why can't we treat them like normal people? that's exactly what they are.

[Nazeroth]

the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

That doesn't mean the road to heaven is paved bad intentions.

true, but their is a reason almost nobody uses that saying, because it's not relavent.