Greece dumps refugees in Ocean tells Turkey Deal with it

[The Reformed American Republic]

Because Greece lacks resources to take care of "those in need."

Only they would get more resources with a larger labor force.

Um Greeks have a high unemployment rate. That will not help them and that will repress wages.

[Rusozak]

A floating fence, around all of Greece? I doubt such a thing would work, even if you managed to actually build it.

No, only on Aegean.

Still, I don't think it would accomplish much. Border walls only serve to show how creative people can be to get around a wall. I mean, in America the drug cartels built freaking homemade submarines to slip under the coast guard. You think a floating fence is going to do anything?

[Sao Nova Europa]

No, only on Aegean.

Still, I don't think it would accomplish much. Border walls only serve to show how creative people can be to get around a wall. I mean, in America the drug cartels built freaking homemade submarines to slip under the coast guard. You think a floating fence is going to do anything?

On Evros, our fence has dramatically reduced land crossings, so it would have an effect in combination with coast guard patrols.

[Atheris]

No, only on Aegean.

Still, I don't think it would accomplish much. Border walls only serve to show how creative people can be to get around a wall. I mean, in America the drug cartels built freaking homemade submarines to slip under the coast guard. You think a floating fence is going to do anything?

Well, the coast guard wasn't watching for submarines. They were making sure the United States was guarded from the coast. Who knows what would happen if that thing got free...

[Novus America]

No, only on Aegean.

Still, I don't think it would accomplish much. Border walls only serve to show how creative people can be to get around a wall. I mean, in America the drug cartels built freaking homemade submarines to slip under the coast guard. You think a floating fence is going to do anything?

The average migrant does not have the ability to build a submarine. The cartels can because it is worth spending a million building a sub if you can pack it full of 100 million in coke.

But it is simply not economical for migrants. Who cannot afford the sub. Cocaine is worth WAY more than people per pound. 200 lbs of coke goes for some 18 million. What immigrant can afford to pay 18 million for their trip?

Drug cartels have more resources.

Walls can slow people and make them easier to apprehended the issue with a fence at sea is you still have to rescue the people who reach the fence and do not have a seaworthy boat.

[Cordel One]

Only they would get more resources with a larger labor force.

Um Greeks have a high unemployment rate. That will not help them and that will repress wages.

Apparently they're privatizing tons of stuff, which will just make things worse.

During America's Great Depression, we hired people to manage forests and create art among other things so more people could have jobs. Greece should try doing that.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Um Greeks have a high unemployment rate. That will not help them and that will repress wages.

Apparently they're privatizing tons of stuff, which will just make things worse.

During America's Great Depression, we hired people to manage forests and create art among other things so more people could have jobs. Greece should try doing that.

They should, but with Greeks, not illegal migrants. Greeks should reap the benefits of those programs.

I also doubt that this would make accepting migrants economically viable either.

[Cordel One]

Apparently they're privatizing tons of stuff, which will just make things worse.

During America's Great Depression, we hired people to manage forests and create art among other things so more people could have jobs. Greece should try doing that.

They should, but with Greeks, not illegal migrants. Greeks should reap the benefits of those programs.

I also doubt that this would make accepting migrants economically viable either.

They should make them open to everyone, and they should nationalize the industries so they can force them open for more workers.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Um Greeks have a high unemployment rate. That will not help them and that will repress wages.

Apparently they're privatizing tons of stuff, which will just make things worse.

During America's Great Depression, we hired people to manage forests and create art among other things so more people could have jobs. Greece should try doing that.

And this prolonged the depression. Socialism is what got us bankrupt, and Syriza has buried it for good. We don't need more of that in Greece. The broad consensus in Greece right now is that we need less state, less taxes and more freedom.

[Novus America]

They should, but with Greeks, not illegal migrants. Greeks should reap the benefits of those programs.

I also doubt that this would make accepting migrants economically viable either.

They should make them open to everyone, and they should nationalize the industries so they can force them open for more workers.

That would be crazy to make them open to everyone, you still have to resources to pay for the programs.
Forcing people to hire more workers does not help unless the workers are actually needed.

I mean you do have to give legitimate refugees a chance to work, but not illegal immigrants. Those you rescue, process then deport.

[Cordel One]

Apparently they're privatizing tons of stuff, which will just make things worse.

During America's Great Depression, we hired people to manage forests and create art among other things so more people could have jobs. Greece should try doing that.

And this prolonged the depression. Socialism is what got us bankrupt, and Syriza has buried it for good. We don't need more of that in Greece. The broad consensus in Greece right now is that we need less state, less taxes and more freedom.

It didn't prolong the depression. Capitalism got both us and you into the depression, and you're walking in the opposite direction of the best path to escape it.

They should make them open to everyone, and they should nationalize the industries so they can force them open for more workers.

That would be crazy to make them open to everyone, you still have to resources to pay for the programs.
Forcing people to hire more workers does not help unless the workers are actually needed.

I mean you do have to give legitimate refugees a chance to work, but not illegal immigrants. Those you rescue, process then deport.

Oh, and "illegal immigrants" shouldn't exist, legalize 'em all.

[Sao Nova Europa]

And this prolonged the depression. Socialism is what got us bankrupt, and Syriza has buried it for good. We don't need more of that in Greece. The broad consensus in Greece right now is that we need less state, less taxes and more freedom.

It didn't prolong the depression. Capitalism got both us and you into the depression, and you're walking in the opposite direction of the best path to escape it.

Socialism has produced terrible results wherever it was implemented. Plus, in Greece, socialism is mixed with clientelism. When PASOK nationalized industries in 80s, it filled them with political clients in return for their votes regardless of meritocracy and productivity.

[The Reformed American Republic]

And this prolonged the depression. Socialism is what got us bankrupt, and Syriza has buried it for good. We don't need more of that in Greece. The broad consensus in Greece right now is that we need less state, less taxes and more freedom.

It didn't prolong the depression. Capitalism got both us and you into the depression, and you're walking in the opposite direction of the best path to escape it.

That would be crazy to make them open to everyone, you still have to resources to pay for the programs.
Forcing people to hire more workers does not help unless the workers are actually needed.

I mean you do have to give legitimate refugees a chance to work, but not illegal immigrants. Those you rescue, process then deport.

Oh, and "illegal immigrants" shouldn't exist, legalize 'em all.

Not viable.

[Cordel One]

It didn't prolong the depression. Capitalism got both us and you into the depression, and you're walking in the opposite direction of the best path to escape it.

Socialism has produced terrible results wherever it was implemented. Plus, in Greece, socialism is mixed with clientelism. When PASOK nationalized industries in 80s, it filled them with political clients in return for their votes regardless of meritocracy and productivity.

Socialism works great, "socialism" does not.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Socialism has produced terrible results wherever it was implemented. Plus, in Greece, socialism is mixed with clientelism. When PASOK nationalized industries in 80s, it filled them with political clients in return for their votes regardless of meritocracy and productivity.

Socialism works great, "socialism" does not.

The "no true socialism" fallacy.

[Novus America]

And this prolonged the depression. Socialism is what got us bankrupt, and Syriza has buried it for good. We don't need more of that in Greece. The broad consensus in Greece right now is that we need less state, less taxes and more freedom.

It didn't prolong the depression. Capitalism got both us and you into the depression, and you're walking in the opposite direction of the best path to escape it.

That would be crazy to make them open to everyone, you still have to resources to pay for the programs.
Forcing people to hire more workers does not help unless the workers are actually needed.

I mean you do have to give legitimate refugees a chance to work, but not illegal immigrants. Those you rescue, process then deport.

Oh, and "illegal immigrants" shouldn't exist, legalize 'em all.

And capitalism got us out, I am not a neoliberal but you do not want complete state control of the economy either. Moderately protectionist mixed market social democracy like systems are where it is at.

But “legalize them all” is a very bad idea. Does Greece have the land and resources (it is quite densely populated as is) to support that many? Probably not. Would they properly integrate? Maybe some would, but some would not.
Greece does not need, and does not have the ability to accommodate a massive population increase.

If they cannot prove the are legitimate refugees, simply deport them after rescue.

[Cordel One]

It didn't prolong the depression. Capitalism got both us and you into the depression, and you're walking in the opposite direction of the best path to escape it.

Oh, and "illegal immigrants" shouldn't exist, legalize 'em all.

And capitalism got us out, I am not a neoliberal but you do not want complete state control of the economy either. Moderately protectionist mixed market social democracy like systems are where it is at.

But “legalize them all” is a very bad idea. Does Greece have the land and resources (it is quite densely populated as is) to support that many? Probably not. Would they properly integrate? Maybe some would, but some would not.
Greece does not need, and does not have the ability to accommodate a massive population increase.

If they cannot prove the are legitimate refugees, simply deport them after rescue.

Capitalism didn't get us out, time did.
if Greece can't take all the immigrants, they should be moved somewhere else safe.

[Novus America]

And capitalism got us out, I am not a neoliberal but you do not want complete state control of the economy either. Moderately protectionist mixed market social democracy like systems are where it is at.

But “legalize them all” is a very bad idea. Does Greece have the land and resources (it is quite densely populated as is) to support that many? Probably not. Would they properly integrate? Maybe some would, but some would not.
Greece does not need, and does not have the ability to accommodate a massive population increase.

If they cannot prove the are legitimate refugees, simply deport them after rescue.

Capitalism didn't get us out, time did.
if Greece can't take all the immigrants, they should be moved somewhere else safe.

Well time and capitalism. Capitalism simply is, it is a chaotic neutral. An inevitable result of industrialization. You can (and should) regulate and control it to prevent the worst abuses but you cannot escape it unless you reach post scarcity which we cannot do.

Anyways maybes if Greece cannot take them someone else should, but who will?

Greece will simply have to deport the illegal immigrants after rescuing them, and accommodate those who can legitimately prove to be refugees as best as possible.

No need for anything crazy or radical.

[The Emerald Legion]

Dumping people into the ocean is a terrible idea, regardless of whether you want them to live or to die.

If you want them to live, they might Drown. You should take them to someplace they won't do that.

If you want them to die, they might NOT drown and swear eternal vengeance upon you. Also it would be cheaper to just shoot them, and not THAT much worse from a PR standpoint.

[Rio Cana]

The Greeks could contract for a sea barrier. Yes, they do exist.

HALO Maritime Defense Systems makes them.

The following is just a sample - Photo 1 - https://www.halodefense.com/assets/imag ... G_7764.JPG

Photo 2 - https://www.halodefense.com/assets/imag ... tion83.JPG

[Cordel One]

Capitalism didn't get us out, time did.
if Greece can't take all the immigrants, they should be moved somewhere else safe.

Well time and capitalism. Capitalism simply is, it is a chaotic neutral. An inevitable result of industrialization. You can (and should) regulate and control it to prevent the worst abuses but you cannot escape it unless you reach post scarcity which we cannot do.

Anyways maybes if Greece cannot take them someone else should, but who will?

Greece will simply have to deport the illegal immigrants after rescuing them, and accommodate those who can legitimately prove to be refugees as best as possible.

No need for anything crazy or radical.

Capitalism isn't neutral, it's lawful evil. There's no justification for exploitation of workers, and we should work toward a post-industrial communist society.

Anyways, if Greece is incapable of taking any more refugees, they could always try, say, basically every other country on the planet.

[Novus America]

Well time and capitalism. Capitalism simply is, it is a chaotic neutral. An inevitable result of industrialization. You can (and should) regulate and control it to prevent the worst abuses but you cannot escape it unless you reach post scarcity which we cannot do.

Anyways maybes if Greece cannot take them someone else should, but who will?

Greece will simply have to deport the illegal immigrants after rescuing them, and accommodate those who can legitimately prove to be refugees as best as possible.

No need for anything crazy or radical.

Capitalism isn't neutral, it's lawful evil. There's no justification for exploitation of workers, and we should work toward a post-industrial communist society.

Anyways, if Greece is incapable of taking any more refugees, they could always try, say, basically every other country on the planet.

Well I am not going to make this a capitalism v communist debate, that is not the topic.

But anyways sure Greece should try to accommodate those who can legitimately prove to be refugees as best it can.
Deport those that cannot prove to be.
Not leave them to drown at sea.

Again nothing radical, that is just the normal thing to do.

[Rio Cana]

Well time and capitalism. Capitalism simply is, it is a chaotic neutral. An inevitable result of industrialization. You can (and should) regulate and control it to prevent the worst abuses but you cannot escape it unless you reach post scarcity which we cannot do.

Anyways maybes if Greece cannot take them someone else should, but who will?

Greece will simply have to deport the illegal immigrants after rescuing them, and accommodate those who can legitimately prove to be refugees as best as possible.

No need for anything crazy or radical.

Capitalism isn't neutral, it's lawful evil. There's no justification for exploitation of workers, and we should work toward a post-industrial communist society.

Anyways, if Greece is incapable of taking any more refugees, they could always try, say, basically every other country on the planet.

They could send them back to nation of origin if they did not leave for political reasons. Many seem to be Syrians but the war is winding down in Syria. If the EU. rather not have the Syrians go to the EU. then they just need to loan Syria $250 billion, yes they say that is what it will cost to reconstruct the damaged areas. Many of those same Syrians will thus have work.

[Farnhamia]

Throwing garbage into the sea is at best a violation of the Environmental Protection Law, right?
Anyone who didn't use a shower room made in Germany should not considered genocide.
Didn’t see a huge increase in the production of soap in Greece? Right ?

At first I thought, 'Three days old, this one has obviously not read the Rules, but then I read the entire post and ... *** warned for trolling ***. This is not how we post here. If you disagree, feel free to leave.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Yall remember that time turkey commited genocide on migrants by pushing them between the greek/turkish borders into no mans land and left them to starve?

Oh wait, that wasnt genocide and neither is this. People really should calm down on the hyperbole.