Greece dumps refugees in Ocean tells Turkey Deal with it

[Nazeroth]

Its hilariously ironic that Turkey is accusing Greece of covering up genocide

RIGHT?!

[Strala]

How would you get Assad to undo what he is doing, if I may ask?



While this is an option others do consider, would you really want to risk getting turned into smithereens for a war many know you are losing?

Do you think militant activism is the best option when Assad fucking murders these people because they don’t agree with his style of governance?

Yes, you do risk it because it's for the future of your children and your childrens children

it's called fighting for a legacy, if peopel turned tail and ran from tyranny every time things got rough then the world would be one big shit hole.

That's great and all but I can say that most of us here are civilians that talk big and haven't done any fighting.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

To be frank, Sykes-Picot caused a lot of division, because what can go wrong if you pick neat lines over ethnic borders. So yes, in a way, the actions of the old British and French governments are partly to blame.

why have ancient native greek lands not been given back by the Turks?

This is just a weird strawman, tbh. I’m talking about ethic divisions here, not redistributions.

[Nazeroth]

Yes, you do risk it because it's for the future of your children and your childrens children

it's called fighting for a legacy, if peopel turned tail and ran from tyranny every time things got rough then the world would be one big shit hole.

That's great and all but I can say that most of us here are civilians that talk big and haven't done any fighting.

Most people on NS are white teens living in the west who have very little idea of how terrible the real world is.

point being, lots of people were civilians before they had to get something done.

[Strala]

To be frank, Sykes-Picot caused a lot of division, because what can go wrong if you pick neat lines over ethnic borders. So yes, in a way, the actions of the old British and French governments are partly to blame.

why have ancient native greek lands not been given back by the Turks?

Why have ancient Native American lands not been returned to them?

[Nazeroth]

why have ancient native greek lands not been given back by the Turks?

This is just a weird strawman, tbh. I’m talking about ethic divisions here, not redistributions.

don't care, if people are going to cry about "past greivances" then two can play that stupid game.

Turkey needs to return all ancient native greek lands

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

All though I do not approve of this I believe calling it genocide is a bit much, there’s still Turkey.

[Heloin]

Greece doesn't have the right to murder people for wanting a better life.

and "wanting a better life" could be seen as an invasion of a sovereign nation.

if millions of my people spill over your border without weapons and demand resources, that's an invasion no matter how you want to doll it up.

What your saying is that Greece does have a right to murder these people.

[Strala]

That's great and all but I can say that most of us here are civilians that talk big and haven't done any fighting.

Most people on NS are white teens living in the west who have very little idea of how terrible the real world is.

point being, lots of people were civilians before they had to get something done.

And you would this how? Are you currently doing something that make you not a civilian?

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Its hilariously ironic that Turkey is accusing Greece of covering up genocide

RIGHT?!

This time, I agree. Turkey is quite the adamant country which tries to get everyone to recognise that the Armenian Genocide didn’t happen. Let’s get back on topic before the thread gets derailed.

[Cordel One]

Illegal immigrants are just that, illegal. Greece has no obligation to them, and this doesn't count as genocide.

Someone being desperate enough to enter a country illegally does not justify making them suffer.

[Nazeroth]

and "wanting a better life" could be seen as an invasion of a sovereign nation.

if millions of my people spill over your border without weapons and demand resources, that's an invasion no matter how you want to doll it up.

What your saying is that Greece does have a right to murder these people.

Greece has a right to not provide safe haven for them or to provide them with supplies.

If that results in their death then that's sad, but not murder.

[Vaspelia]

How would you get Assad to undo what he is doing, if I may ask?

Shit's fucked, i know that. The FSA is incompetent and corrupt. I would let France and Germany become majority-Muslim as their private and public institutions have been involved in gun-trafficking towards the Arab World while also leave the rest of Europe along. Go to Germany not Greece or Albania or Spain or whatever.
Shit i understand how "just fight them lmao" is not a easy choice.

[United Engiresco]

Remove Greece from NATO and the EU, then they might learn a lesson...

[Necroghastia]

Illegal immigrants are just that, illegal. Greece has no obligation to them, and this doesn't count as genocide.

And this is also illegal under international law. And we as members of the human race have obligations to not throw random people into the middle of the sea with barely any way to survive holy shit how can you possibly think anyone deserves this.

[Nazeroth]

Most people on NS are white teens living in the west who have very little idea of how terrible the real world is.

point being, lots of people were civilians before they had to get something done.

And you would this how? Are you currently doing something that make you not a civilian?

I already served, but if my nation would to go through a second revolution then it must be that I have to protect my family and the values that created my nation.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

This is just a weird strawman, tbh. I’m talking about ethic divisions here, not redistributions.

don't care, if people are going to cry about "past greivances" then two can play that stupid game.

Turkey needs to return all ancient native greek lands

Slippery slope right there, when Native Americans were mentioned, this opened up a Pandora’s box of possibilities. Like if nost of Russia and Central Asia were ceded to the Mongols or Thracians decide to coccupt south Bulgaria, parts of Eastern Greece and European Turkey.

I wouldn’t dare go down that path tbh.

[Necroghastia]

What your saying is that Greece does have a right to murder these people.

Greece has a right to not provide safe haven for them or to provide them with supplies.

If that results in their death then that's sad, but not murder.

Just some harmless lil ol' manslaughter that totally could've been avoided! Nothing wrong with that!!!

[Heloin]

What your saying is that Greece does have a right to murder these people.

Greece has a right to not provide safe haven for them or to provide them with supplies.

If that results in their death then that's sad, but not murder.

They don't have to let them into Greece. But abandoning them at sea to die is murdering them.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Remove Greece from NATO and the EU, then they might learn a lesson...

I second this sentiment. Just a small suspension, and if they continue, kick.

[Nazeroth]

don't care, if people are going to cry about "past greivances" then two can play that stupid game.

Turkey needs to return all ancient native greek lands

Slippery slope right there, when Native Americans were mentioned, this opened up a Pandora’s box of possibilities. Like if nost of Russia and Central Asia were ceded to the Mongols or Thracians decide to coccupt south Bulgaria, parts of Eastern Greece and European Turkey.

I wouldn’t dare go down that path tbh.

I wouldn't either but if were going to cry about " Well they took land and resources in the past" as a justification, then we are going down that road.

[Strala]

What your saying is that Greece does have a right to murder these people.

Greece has a right to not provide safe haven for them or to provide them with supplies.

If that results in their death then that's sad, but not murder.

And what right does America have to criticize Russia's response in the Syrian civil war when America has actively done worse?

[Valrifell]

Illegal immigrants are just that, illegal. Greece has no obligation to them, and this doesn't count as genocide.

And this is also illegal under international law. And we as members of the human race have obligations to not throw random people into the middle of the sea with barely any way to survive holy shit how can you possibly think anyone deserves this.

"Yeah it's okay that Greece left them out to drown because they didn't go through customs the right way"

???

Illegal immigrants broke one, typically very minor law, they don't deserve to be marooned over it. EDIT to clarify, I'm agreeing with you.

[Strala]

And you would this how? Are you currently doing something that make you not a civilian?

I already served, but if my nation would to go through a second revolution then it must be that I have to protect my family and the values that created my nation.

That's excellent but not everyone has the mental fortitude or willingness to do the same. If war breaks out there will be lots of people who would be willing to leave the nation if they could.

[Nazeroth]

Typical, social justice warriors and other leftists DEMANDING western nations put on soft gloves for the entire third world while doing fuck all with oppressors like Turkey

No wonder people call General "cancer"