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Postby Strala » Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:59 am

Nazeroth wrote:Leftist here upset that greece isnt becoming an diverse islamic arab state

Sorry Greece dosnt want them and no amount of tweeting or pretending to care will change that. Your “diversity” and “inclusion” is cultural, economic and demographic suicide :roll:

Now get mad and call people bigots and racists.

I mean one of the reasons that people get mad here is neither side has respect for the other. People like you continue to insult the Left which makes the Left hate or dislike people like you and in turn, they begin to insult and hate you. If you're bored then do something else. It isn't productive for this thread since literally all your doing is insulting leftists. Go find something else to do with your time since this is wasting everyone else's. Now I take my leave and I regret typing anything on this thread. This is why I normally don't type or post on threads like this.

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Postby Strala » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:00 pm

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It does. We have limited resources and high unemployment, so it isn't like we can cope with endless waves of migrants. But even if we weren't in financial crisis, the vast majority of Greeks wouldn't accept Greece being forced to become multicultural.

I share that sentiment to be honest, and I'm am American. No one should be forced to live with a contradictory culture.

America has a culture. Funniest thing I've heard. American Culture is a blend of European cultures and recently other cultures from other regions of the world.

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Kowani wrote:Buddy, there’s a difference between “want more migrants” and “don’t dump people on the ocean”, your closet racism aside.


Where is Greece supposed to put unwanted migrants, then?

As stated before, they can't just land boats on Turkish soil.


Either 1) give them to Turkey or any neighbouring countries who are willing to accept with a better turnover than just leaving them afloat in the sea until some coast guard units pick them up, or 2) let any government who is willing to take them have them.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:00 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:Buddy, there’s a difference between “want more migrants” and “don’t dump people on the ocean”, your closet racism aside.


Where is Greece supposed to put unwanted migrants, then?

As stated before, they can't just land boats on Turkish soil.

:eyebrow: There is literally the entire rest of the EU.

If Greece doesn’t want to keep them, fine. Stupid decision, but whatever. But Europe isn’t full, despite what the nationalists love to pretend.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:00 pm

Strala wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:Leftist here upset that greece isnt becoming an diverse islamic arab state

Sorry Greece dosnt want them and no amount of tweeting or pretending to care will change that. Your “diversity” and “inclusion” is cultural, economic and demographic suicide :roll:

Now get mad and call people bigots and racists.

I mean one of the reasons that people get mad here is neither side has respect for the other. People like you continue to insult the Left which makes the Left hate or dislike people like you and in turn, they begin to insult and hate you. If you're bored then do something else. It isn't productive for this thread since literally all your doing is insulting leftists. Go find something else to do with your time since this is wasting everyone else's. Now I take my leave and I regret typing anything on this thread. This is why I normally don't type or post on threads like this.

Leftists also tend to like to call out people for "racism" just for having a different opinion as well.
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:02 pm

BTW, Greeks opposing mass immigration isn't a left-right issue in Greece:

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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:03 pm

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Nazeroth wrote:Leftist here upset that greece isnt becoming an diverse islamic arab state

Sorry Greece dosnt want them and no amount of tweeting or pretending to care will change that. Your “diversity” and “inclusion” is cultural, economic and demographic suicide :roll:

Now get mad and call people bigots and racists.

It's insane how, once you get woke enough, you can say with a straight face that people are bigots if they don't want to mass import an ideology that calls for gay/bisexual people, Jews, polytheists, atheists, and anyone who leaves said ideology to be brutally murdered, and legitimately see no issue with that belief.

Sigh.

With every religion, you have conservatives, moderates, and liberals. With Islam (because that’s always the belief people are talking about), the older ones lean conservative. Younger Muslims that integrate, however, lean very liberal, even moreso than their native counterparts.
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Postby Nazeroth » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:05 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:Leftist here upset that greece isnt becoming an diverse islamic arab state

Sorry Greece dosnt want them and no amount of tweeting or pretending to care will change that. Your “diversity” and “inclusion” is cultural, economic and demographic suicide :roll:

Now get mad and call people bigots and racists.

It's insane how, once you get woke enough, you can say with a straight face that people are bigots if they don't want to mass import an ideology that calls for gay/bisexual people, Jews, polytheists, atheists, and anyone who leaves said ideology to be brutally murdered, and legitimately see no issue with that belief.



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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:08 pm

Kowani wrote:
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Where is Greece supposed to put unwanted migrants, then?

As stated before, they can't just land boats on Turkish soil.

:eyebrow: There is literally the entire rest of the EU.

If Greece doesn’t want to keep them, fine. Stupid decision, but whatever. But Europe isn’t full, despite what the nationalists love to pretend.


That totally ignores the fact that Greek pleas for other EU countries to take migrants in have fallen on deaf ears. They don't even accept children, much less taking in all the thousands of adult migrants crossing into Greece.
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Postby Nazeroth » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:08 pm

Strala wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:Leftist here upset that greece isnt becoming an diverse islamic arab state

Sorry Greece dosnt want them and no amount of tweeting or pretending to care will change that. Your “diversity” and “inclusion” is cultural, economic and demographic suicide :roll:

Now get mad and call people bigots and racists.

I mean one of the reasons that people get mad here is neither side has respect for the other. People like you continue to insult the Left which makes the Left hate or dislike people like you and in turn, they begin to insult and hate you. If you're bored then do something else. It isn't productive for this thread since literally all your doing is insulting leftists. Go find something else to do with your time since this is wasting everyone else's. Now I take my leave and I regret typing anything on this thread. This is why I normally don't type or post on threads like this.


You cant force polar opposite ethnic/religous groups into other peoples territory and expect peace. Its why the british screwed up in the middle east.

You cant dump ridiculous amounts of arab muslims into a western christian nation.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:09 pm

Strala wrote:America has a culture. Funniest thing I've heard. American Culture is a blend of European cultures and recently other cultures from other regions of the world.


The US does nonetheless have a distinct national culture now. But I'd say it'd be more accurate to consider that the US has separate regional cultures that have stronger influence than the national one which is weaker. The Pacific coast is different from the Northeast which is different from the South and Southwest, midwest, and Mountain states and so on.

Given enough time, a geographic region will develop separately in accordance with the people and circumstances there. The US is too different from the UK much less Europe as a whole- to meaningfully be the same.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:09 pm

Kowani wrote:
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Where is Greece supposed to put unwanted migrants, then?

As stated before, they can't just land boats on Turkish soil.

:eyebrow: There is literally the entire rest of the EU.

If Greece doesn’t want to keep them, fine. Stupid decision, but whatever. But Europe isn’t full, despite what the nationalists love to pretend.


Are other European countries willing to take these people in? Because if so, Greece's position is wholly unwarranted.
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Postby Crockerland » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:09 pm

Kowani wrote:
Crockerland wrote:It's insane how, once you get woke enough, you can say with a straight face that people are bigots if they don't want to mass import an ideology that calls for gay/bisexual people, Jews, polytheists, atheists, and anyone who leaves said ideology to be brutally murdered, and legitimately see no issue with that belief.

Sigh.

With every religion, you have conservatives, moderates, and liberals. With Islam (because that’s always the belief people are talking about), the older ones lean conservative. Younger Muslims that integrate, however, lean very liberal, even moreso than their native counterparts.

I really don't care how much you want to try to muddy the waters, if an ideology calls for me to be murdered, it has no place in my country.
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:11 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote: :eyebrow: There is literally the entire rest of the EU.

If Greece doesn’t want to keep them, fine. Stupid decision, but whatever. But Europe isn’t full, despite what the nationalists love to pretend.


Are other European countries willing to take these people in? Because if so, Greece's position is wholly unwarranted.



No, they don't. Greece has requested other countries to take in unaccompanied minor refugees, and they've taken a few tens at most (most EU countries refused even that).
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Postby Vistulange » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:13 pm

Clearly, Greece doesn't think "human rights" or "international law" is complete rubbish, because it remains a party to all those institutions and treaties. You right-wing, nationalistic, "muh Judeo-Christian, white, pure culture" lot do realise a country can simply pull out, yes?
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:14 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
Kowani wrote: :eyebrow: There is literally the entire rest of the EU.

If Greece doesn’t want to keep them, fine. Stupid decision, but whatever. But Europe isn’t full, despite what the nationalists love to pretend.


That totally ignores the fact that Greek pleas for other EU countries to take migrants in have fallen on deaf ears. They don't even accept children, much less taking in all the thousands of adult migrants crossing into Greece.

My guy. You’re holding 12% of the migrants, nowhere near the most. Just last year, Spain started taking in 118% more migrants, Cyprus 66.8 %, Sweden +27.9 %,, Belgium 27.4 %, the Netherlands +9.9 %, and France +7.6 %. Other places are pitching in.
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Postby Outer Acharet » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:15 pm

Nazeroth wrote:You cant force polar opposite ethnic/religous groups into other peoples territory and expect peace. Its why the british screwed up in the middle east.

You cant dump ridiculous amounts of arab muslims into a western christian nation.

Yeah, but that goes for any culture. More importantly, though, these aren't mass numbers. They're thousands of people when compared to millions. Even in Britain the population is still something like 89% Anglo-Saxon. That, when compared to nations like the US where the white population- combining all the varied cultural groups under that umbrella- is only something like 73%, and in some areas like Texas more like 50%, should be enough to show that it is not the fact that cultures mix but more that cultures mixing all at once within the span of less than a generation is where the strife and problems come from, and that's less the fact that cultures mix and more that the changes that result from that are too fast for people to easily adapt to.
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Crockerland wrote:I really don't care how much you want to try to muddy the waters, if an ideology calls for me to be murdered, it has no place in my country.

[offtopic]You have convinced me we need a national liberal party here in the United States.[/offtopic]
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:15 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote: :eyebrow: There is literally the entire rest of the EU.

If Greece doesn’t want to keep them, fine. Stupid decision, but whatever. But Europe isn’t full, despite what the nationalists love to pretend.


Are other European countries willing to take these people in? Because if so, Greece's position is wholly unwarranted.

West, yes. East, not so much.
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Postby Nazeroth » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:16 pm

Greece needs to leave the EU and increase american trade becaue clearly the EU dosnt give a god damn about them, no wonder greek people are pissed.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:18 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Kowani wrote:Sigh.

With every religion, you have conservatives, moderates, and liberals. With Islam (because that’s always the belief people are talking about), the older ones lean conservative. Younger Muslims that integrate, however, lean very liberal, even moreso than their native counterparts.

I really don't care how much you want to try to muddy the waters, if an ideology calls for me to be murdered, it has no place in my country.

I regret to inform you that there are dozens of ideologies which call for your death they are already present in your country. The difference is, this one can be softened to not do so. Especially considering the data shows that people aren’t acting on it, this is a rather pointless objection.
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:18 pm

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That totally ignores the fact that Greek pleas for other EU countries to take migrants in have fallen on deaf ears. They don't even accept children, much less taking in all the thousands of adult migrants crossing into Greece.

My guy. You’re holding 12% of the migrants, nowhere near the most. Just last year, Spain started taking in 118% more migrants, Cyprus 66.8 %, Sweden +27.9 %,, Belgium 27.4 %, the Netherlands +9.9 %, and France +7.6 %. Other places are pitching in.


How many of the migrants in Greece have those countries taken? Almost none. And we do not want those 12%. Why doesn't your country take them in?
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Postby Nazeroth » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:19 pm

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Crockerland wrote:I really don't care how much you want to try to muddy the waters, if an ideology calls for me to be murdered, it has no place in my country.

I regret to inform you that there are dozens of ideologies which call for your death they are already present in your country. The difference is, this one can be softened to not do so. Especially considering the data shows that people aren’t acting on it, this is a rather pointless objection.


Oh yeah like what ideologies and how powerful are they, and do they recieve large amounts of outside support?
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:20 pm

Kowani wrote:
Crockerland wrote:I really don't care how much you want to try to muddy the waters, if an ideology calls for me to be murdered, it has no place in my country.

I regret to inform you that there are dozens of ideologies which call for your death they are already present in your country. The difference is, this one can be softened to not do so. Especially considering the data shows that people aren’t acting on it, this is a rather pointless objection.

If a right-winger promoted violence but didn't act on it, I doubt you would find criticism of that and calls to criminalize it a "pointless objection."
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:20 pm

Nazeroth wrote:Greece needs to leave the EU and increase american trade becaue clearly the EU dosnt give a god damn about them, no wonder greek people are pissed.

I too support Greece being taken off economic life support at the expense of other Europeans so it can finally die if they're so insistent on not acting like normal humans they'd prefer to walk out of the EU as opposed to not commit human rights abuses and violate international law.
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