Or or, the Greek government can have some basic decency and just drop them off at Turkey instead of just leaving them in the ocean for no other reason than petty spite.
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by Andsed » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:19 am
by Nazeroth » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:19 am
by Pilipinas and Malaya » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:20 am
Nazeroth wrote:Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:
Even if they are illegal immigrants, there are better options, like turning or driving them away at Turkey instead of leaving them to drift away at sea, their fate at the hands of the ocean if they lack an engine.
As humans, these people still have a right to be treated decently, especially if they have done no crime (except for the illegal immigration). One would think they’d be better off at Greece because there they have not much concern about the security of the location, whether or not an air raid is to happen there and if food and water would be easily accessible.
In the very least, at least it exists and is enforced in some form and there are quite a lot of people who would wish for a better implementation of such. Unlike Saudi Arabia, which as mentioned didn’t really have a good track record of implementing such rights.
I don't really give a crap, until nations like Turkey are actually held accountable Greece should handle business as they see fit, "international law" is just a weapon used by third world dictators to slam western nations like Israel and Greece.
in other words: Fuck'em
by Andsed » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:21 am
by Mathuvan Union » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:21 am
by Vaspelia » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:21 am
Greed and Death wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/world/europe/greece-migrants-abandoning-sea.html
Greece is abandoning 1000 plus migrants at sea. These are migrants that were on dry land in Greece they were taken to international waters and dumped with a life jacket on. I am sorry if this OP is sparse I am just at a loss for words at the moment. Even my most in character antics do not approach dump a thousand people at sea.
What sort of sanctions can we bring to bear against Greece to stop this.
“Syrians are suffering in Turkey,” Mr. Fattouh said. “We’re suffering in Greece. Where are we supposed to go?”
by Khoronzon » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:22 am
Andsed wrote:No. It means ¨not leaving innocents to potentially drown because your either too lazy or spiteful to simply drop them off from where they came from.
The world is no longer as it once was, moulded beyond recognition by the hands of its coming masters. Humanity is faced with a simple choice: evolve, or die.
by Andsed » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:22 am
Vaspelia wrote:Greed and Death wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/world/europe/greece-migrants-abandoning-sea.html
Greece is abandoning 1000 plus migrants at sea. These are migrants that were on dry land in Greece they were taken to international waters and dumped with a life jacket on. I am sorry if this OP is sparse I am just at a loss for words at the moment. Even my most in character antics do not approach dump a thousand people at sea.
What sort of sanctions can we bring to bear against Greece to stop this.
This isn't the first time a European country has done this, i believe. While of course the Greek authorities must stop any clandestine operations, not for the sake of morality, but of institutional transparency. These inmigrants are not of Greece's responsability, they aren't citizens of the country and they are entering illegally.“Syrians are suffering in Turkey,” Mr. Fattouh said. “We’re suffering in Greece. Where are we supposed to go?”
Iraq, Jordain, Iran, Lebanon, etc.
by Nazeroth » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:22 am
Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:Nazeroth wrote:
I don't really give a crap, until nations like Turkey are actually held accountable Greece should handle business as they see fit, "international law" is just a weapon used by third world dictators to slam western nations like Israel and Greece.
in other words: Fuck'em
While I for one agree that the UN is fucking useless, it at leasts sets some form of morality check for how countries are operating. International law is definitely more than just a weapon for nations to hit one another on their heads.
Say, what do you think Turkey is accountable for?
by The Marlborough » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:23 am
Loben III wrote:Greece has no responsibility and turkey is close enough to travel too. Hardly abandonment.
by Pilipinas and Malaya » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:23 am
by Nazeroth » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:24 am
by Strala » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:24 am
by Mathuvan Union » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:25 am
by Nazeroth » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:26 am
Strala wrote:Nazeroth wrote:
"basic human standards" these days often leads to " let thousands of migrants into your nation and if you don't want it your racist"
And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?
by Strala » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:27 am
Nazeroth wrote:Strala wrote:And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?
the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
by Nazeroth » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:28 am
by Heloin » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:28 am
Nazeroth wrote:Strala wrote:And how are they any different from you? Do you think they would have left their nation if there was no war and illegally migrated to these countries? Most of them won't. If a country you live in suddenly had a civil war no matter how ridiculous that may be, would you want to be stranded in the middle of the sea just because the country didn't want you there? Do you want people to say that you deserved it because you illegally migrated there, despite the fact that you just to go to somewhere safe and stable?
the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
by Nazeroth » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:28 am
by The Islands of Versilia » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:29 am
by Mathuvan Union » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:29 am
Tolopel wrote:Why Greece? Why?
by Nazeroth » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:29 am
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