Accelerationism

[Mannixa Prime]

Well, much as I hate pinkos, Accelerationism seems more popular in Fascist circles. Communists tend to prefer immediate popular revolution.

Fascists have been reading the turner diaries too much.

Most of those groups are fed controlled. It’s why things seem so close to popping off but accelerated revolution or an outright popular revolution is very unlike in North America.

Like I said the NS, Fascist crowd is infiltrated and divided as hell

Anarchists and militant progressives are more interested in looting and virtue signalling on the internet to do anything meaningful.


The only accelerationism is coming from Mother Nature and who knows how that will go.

[Anatoliyanskiy]

I personally have never considered myself a ''revolutionary socialist'' because I really think revolutions are an unnecessary part of the ideology that only really works in specific situations (i.e. Imperial Russia). The implementation of a sort of ''people's socialism'' would be better because everyday people will benefit from such a system and they will have say in the government, so that we don't end up with another Soviet Union. I think that is one of the only ways to really get socialism to exist in the longterm.

[Ankras]

The building of socialism is facilitated by mass organizations and movements, communist/socialist parties, unions of all kinds, anti-war and anti-imperialist action, and anti-fascist action. Socialists need to be pillars against social cannibalism not pillars of it.

No there isn't an easy road to socialism. Mutual aid, grassroots activism, like the Communist Party USA sending shipments of masks to poor communities such as the Navajo Nation are needed. Mass pressure and labor need to be strengthened. We need a democratic movement and a party that can stand on the end of the president's table and make demands. We don't have that but we have thousands and millions trying. The revolution will not be achieved without organization and an acceleration where those organizations are fighting the people will not be trusted in a revolutionary moment let alone a purely democratic or socialist moment.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I'm not familiar with slavery existing in Christian Medieval Europe, care to provide sources? I'll have to read them when I get home.

All I can provide that's online and on short notice is wikipedia. But the article is a decent summation and is quite reasonably sourced as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_i ... val_Europe

The only thing that really went away with the fall of Rome, at least in the west, was the existence of huge industrial style plantations worked by slaves. But actual slavery kept on trucking.

Eh, looks like you're at least half-right. According to the page you linked it was relatively uncommon in most of Christian Europe save for areas that were close to Muslim/Pagan lands. As Christianity spread it was largely replaced with Serfdom.

[Dragoon Republic]

Oh, I believe it all should fall alright, but not because of capitalism.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Oh, I believe it all should fall alright, but not because of capitalism.

Then why?

[-Ra-]

Oh, I believe it all should fall alright, but not because of capitalism.

Then why?

"How could you possibly support something for a different reason than I do?"

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Then why?

"How could you possibly support something for a different reason than I do?"

"How dare you ask someone why they support the things they do!"

[The Reformed American Republic]

Then why?

"How could you possibly support something for a different reason than I do?"

Nice try. I don't support Accelerationism, nor am I left wing.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Fascists have been reading the turner diaries too much.

Most of those groups are fed controlled. It’s why things seem so close to popping off but accelerated revolution or an outright popular revolution is very unlike in North America.

Like I said the NS, Fascist crowd is infiltrated and divided as hell

Anarchists and militant progressives are more interested in looting and virtue signalling on the internet to do anything meaningful.


The only accelerationism is coming from Mother Nature and who knows how that will go.

Well at least you agree with me that the earth has a fever.

[-Ra-]

"How could you possibly support something for a different reason than I do?"

Nice try. I don't support Accelerationism, nor am I left wing.

According to the political compass in your signature, you definitely are.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Nice try. I don't support Accelerationism, nor am I left wing.

According to the political compass in your signature, you definitely are.

Are you mistaking him for me?

[The Reformed American Republic]

Nice try. I don't support Accelerationism, nor am I left wing.

According to the political compass in your signature, you definitely are.

That signature is to make fun of certain types of leftists.

[-Ra-]

I think I mistook you both.

Same flag design. What am I to do? /s

Sorry

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I think I mistook you both.

Same flag design. What am I to do? /s

Sorry

I mean, my union has an Ohio "O" and more stars surrounding it and RAR doesn't and has an Und Doch symbol over his stripes. But mistakes happen, it's okay.

[Nuroblav]

I think I mistook you both.

Same flag design. What am I to do? /s

Sorry

To be fair, there are loads of prominent nations on NSG that use that flag, so yeah easily confusing

[The Reformed American Republic]

I think I mistook you both.

Same flag design. What am I to do? /s

Sorry

No problem. I made that mistake twice in my NS career.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I think I mistook you both.

Same flag design. What am I to do? /s

Sorry

No problem. I made that mistake twice in my NS career.

My flag is clearly superior, dont @ me

[Nuroblav]

I don't agree. If people are desperate enough, people will not play by society's rules and instead play by their own, by going into crime and trying to overthrow society at large. People struggled to survive in pre-revolutionary France, which lead to the French Revolution.

While you make a point, I still feel like it would cause more suffering than any actual progress. Plus, in order for the ends to justify the means (not something I'm a big fan of, but I presume accelerationists do), it would have to actually work. It feels to big of a risk to carry, and not my preferential way of going about things. Those are my thoughts.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

This:

I don't agree. If people are desperate enough, people will not play by society's rules and instead play by their own, by going into crime and trying to overthrow society at large. People struggled to survive in pre-revolutionary France, which lead to the French Revolution.

Overthrow? My guy, I live in an area where people struggle to survive and there hasn't been a revolt. Instead they form either low level street gangs like the 15 Mile Mafia crips or Turbos, or full on mafias like the Chaldean mafia, the Albanian groups I suspect may be up to illegal shit but won't name cause i don't wanna die, the Zerilli crime family, or the various other unnamed Drug Trafficking Organizations in town. Usually poverty leads to crime. Sometimes revolution but more often crime and violence.

[Ankras]

I don't agree. If people are desperate enough, people will not play by society's rules and instead play by their own, by going into crime and trying to overthrow society at large. People struggled to survive in pre-revolutionary France, which lead to the French Revolution.

While you make a point, I still feel like it would cause more suffering than any actual progress. Plus, in order for the ends to justify the means (not something I'm a big fan of, but I presume accelerationists do), it would have to actually work. It feels to big of a risk to carry, and not my preferential way of going about things. Those are my thoughts.

Every successful revolution insofar in history was led by movements that fought for the rights and livelihood of the people actively seeking to improve public works and welfare in times of crisis by utilizing mass movements to pressure governing forces as well as utilizing mutual aid on the local level to build their own relationship with the people. None of them deliberately sought the worsening of conditions only took advantage of them.

Nothing will happen without the people having the organization and power to wage revolution and if our organizations are busy worsening conditions we wont support them.

I don't agree. If people are desperate enough, people will not play by society's rules and instead play by their own, by going into crime and trying to overthrow society at large. People struggled to survive in pre-revolutionary France, which lead to the French Revolution.

Overthrow? My guy, I live in an area where people struggle to survive and there hasn't been a revolt. Instead they form either low level street gangs like the 15 Mile Mafia crips or Turbos, or full on mafias like the Chaldean mafia, the Albanian groups I suspect may be up to illegal shit but won't name cause i don't wanna die, the Zerilli crime family, or the various other unnamed Drug Trafficking Organizations in town. Usually poverty leads to crime. Sometimes revolution but more often crime and violence.

Yep. If revolutionary organizations are busy fighting to worsen conditions we will get gangs and not revolution.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I don't agree. If people are desperate enough, people will not play by society's rules and instead play by their own, by going into crime and trying to overthrow society at large. People struggled to survive in pre-revolutionary France, which lead to the French Revolution.

While you make a point, I still feel like it would cause more suffering than any actual progress. Plus, in order for the ends to justify the means (not something I'm a big fan of, but I presume accelerationists do), it would have to actually work. It feels to big of a risk to carry, and not my preferential way of going about things. Those are my thoughts.

I hate accelerationism as well and I find it immoral, plus I'm not even a leftist. I do however think it could lead to the desired effect though, if done covertly.

[UniversalCommons]

Capitalism will moonshot itself out of existence. A group of about 10 large corporations will control the stock market mainly focused on information and information technology and the future will become very strange. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/13/five-bi ... level.html

[Borderlands of Rojava]

While you make a point, I still feel like it would cause more suffering than any actual progress. Plus, in order for the ends to justify the means (not something I'm a big fan of, but I presume accelerationists do), it would have to actually work. It feels to big of a risk to carry, and not my preferential way of going about things. Those are my thoughts.

Every successful revolution insofar in history was led by movements that fought for the rights and livelihood of the people actively seeking to improve public works and welfare in times of crisis by utilizing mass movements to pressure governing forces as well as utilizing mutual aid on the local level to build their own relationship with the people. None of them deliberately sought the worsening of conditions only took advantage of them.

Nothing will happen without the people having the organization and power to wage revolution and if our organizations are busy worsening conditions we wont support them.

Overthrow? My guy, I live in an area where people struggle to survive and there hasn't been a revolt. Instead they form either low level street gangs like the 15 Mile Mafia crips or Turbos, or full on mafias like the Chaldean mafia, the Albanian groups I suspect may be up to illegal shit but won't name cause i don't wanna die, the Zerilli crime family, or the various other unnamed Drug Trafficking Organizations in town. Usually poverty leads to crime. Sometimes revolution but more often crime and violence.

Yep. If revolutionary organizations are busy fighting to worsen conditions we will get gangs and not revolution.

More poverty in town=more corpses being found half buried in the tar pit or down by the river.

[The Lone Alliance]

I would rather blow my brains out than live in any fascist society.

Same.

Seriously, how can a none-fascist/nazi/alt-righter (although I prefer the term uber-right) say that with a straight face?

Why blow your brains out when you can be la resistance? And I mean real Resistance not some twitter bullshit hashtag slacktivism that would actually be controlled by the Fascists to be controlled opposition.