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Southeastern Xiatao
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Postby Southeastern Xiatao » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:03 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:I find it so funny that cultural Marxists, especially on the bottom left wing quad of the political spectrum ( this applies to anarchists and more militant progressives) think their idea of a revolution will not co opted and taken from them by the neoliberal elite.

Let’s face most leftists are just puppets of corporations at this point and why not both want to see national sovereignty taken away completely in favour of the ZOG Machine.

I see you know the truth, well wait here little one while I go and report you to the authorities where they will take you to the Re-Education Camps to make you into an obedient Marxist.
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:05 pm

Southeastern Xiatao wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:I find it so funny that cultural Marxists, especially on the bottom left wing quad of the political spectrum ( this applies to anarchists and more militant progressives) think their idea of a revolution will not co opted and taken from them by the neoliberal elite.

Let’s face most leftists are just puppets of corporations at this point and why not both want to see national sovereignty taken away completely in favour of the ZOG Machine.

I see you know the truth, well wait here little one while I go and report you to the authorities where they will take you to the Re-Education Camps to make you into an obedient Marxist.



Yeah sarcasm aside you lot can’t even hold a city block in Seattle for long. I’m more worried about corporations and the government than the useful idiots for said institutions.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:05 pm

Southeastern Xiatao wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:I find it so funny that cultural Marxists, especially on the bottom left wing quad of the political spectrum ( this applies to anarchists and more militant progressives) think their idea of a revolution will not co opted and taken from them by the neoliberal elite.

Let’s face most leftists are just puppets of corporations at this point and why not both want to see national sovereignty taken away completely in favour of the ZOG Machine.

I see you know the truth, well wait here little one while I go and report you to the authorities where they will take you to the Re-Education Camps to make you into an obedient Marxist.


Is no one going to mention he said ZOG. You know, that anti-semetic consp-

CAN WE JUST GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT ACCELERATIONISM NOW?
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:06 pm

If you're purposely trying to make conditions worse, you've definitely gone wrong.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:06 pm

The Sherpa Empire wrote:If you're purposely trying to make conditions worse, you've definitely gone wrong.


What if you're trying to make conditions worse for the bad guys?
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Postby Page » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:07 pm

Khoronzon wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I am also an accelerationist. I'm not because of nazism or communism though. I just think people are shit. So yeah, fuck the world. Let's cancel everything.

Okay, based.

Page wrote:People with nothing to lose are less pacified than those who live in comfort, but do not necessarily defy the system in a productive way. Ideally they would organize, unionize, practice mutual aid, strike, and even take to the streets to rise up, but many instead choose to do things like sell drugs or their bodies or get high or they steal (and often not from those who should be stolen from) or commit suicide.

Which set of conditions would actually incentivise people to organise along their class interests and strike - one in which they are suffering and debasing themselves, or one in which they are pacified by comfort and reforms? As I said, not everyone will engage in productive opposition no matter the circumstances. Unrestrained capitalism simply breeds more antagonism, while reformed capitalism dampens it. What are your thoughts on class collaborationism, if I might ask?


I believe that class warfare is inevitable and that the ruling class should be overthrown, but I don't think all capitalists have to be enemies. I think many small business owners can be convinced to pursue their livelihood with former employees as equal partners and to be participants in mutual aid instead of profit seekers.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:07 pm

The Sherpa Empire wrote:If you're purposely trying to make conditions worse, you've definitely gone wrong.


Well, that's obvious.
Left or right, if you think making the world worse is going to make it better, then you might need to reconsider your life choices.,,
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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:09 pm

Page wrote:
Khoronzon wrote:Okay, based.


Which set of conditions would actually incentivise people to organise along their class interests and strike - one in which they are suffering and debasing themselves, or one in which they are pacified by comfort and reforms? As I said, not everyone will engage in productive opposition no matter the circumstances. Unrestrained capitalism simply breeds more antagonism, while reformed capitalism dampens it. What are your thoughts on class collaborationism, if I might ask?


I believe that class warfare is inevitable and that the ruling class should be overthrown, but I don't think all capitalists have to be enemies. I think many small business owners can be convinced to pursue their livelihood with former employees as equal partners and to be participants in mutual aid instead of profit seekers.


"Class warfare" is a pipe dream.
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Postby Southeastern Xiatao » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:11 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:
Southeastern Xiatao wrote:I see you know the truth, well wait here little one while I go and report you to the authorities where they will take you to the Re-Education Camps to make you into an obedient Marxist.



Yeah sarcasm aside you lot can’t even hold a city block in Seattle for long. I’m more worried about corporations and the government than the useful idiots for said institutions.

If it wasn't for corporations like Google, where the fuck would you get your porn from then? If it wasn't for corporations like Samsung, Dell, Apple, etc where the fuck would you get your electronics from wacko?

Without electronics you wouldn't be posting on NS in the first place. Without corporations you wouldn't be able to have electronics.

Stupidity much? Not a surprise since most far-right wackos aren't the smartest people in the world.
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Postby Page » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:11 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:
The Sherpa Empire wrote:If you're purposely trying to make conditions worse, you've definitely gone wrong.


Well, that's obvious.
Left or right, if you think making the world worse is going to make it better, then you might need to reconsider your life choices.,,


I think I did not clearly articulate my beliefs in the original post. I never wanted to make things worse. I was a passive accelerationist, not believing we should inflict suffering on people for the sake of revolution but rather that reforming capitalism would only prolong overall suffering.
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Postby Page » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:12 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:
Southeastern Xiatao wrote:I see you know the truth, well wait here little one while I go and report you to the authorities where they will take you to the Re-Education Camps to make you into an obedient Marxist.



Yeah sarcasm aside you lot can’t even hold a city block in Seattle for long. I’m more worried about corporations and the government than the useful idiots for said institutions.


I assume that you would not like it if they did what was necessary to hold that block.
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Postby Southeastern Xiatao » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:12 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Southeastern Xiatao wrote:I see you know the truth, well wait here little one while I go and report you to the authorities where they will take you to the Re-Education Camps to make you into an obedient Marxist.


Is no one going to mention he said ZOG. You know, that anti-semetic consp-

CAN WE JUST GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT ACCELERATIONISM NOW?

It a proven fact anti-semites are really unintelligent people. Maybe if they had sex with a Jewish person for once maybe they realize that Jews aren't so bad.
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:17 pm

Southeastern Xiatao wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:

Yeah sarcasm aside you lot can’t even hold a city block in Seattle for long. I’m more worried about corporations and the government than the useful idiots for said institutions.

If it wasn't for corporations like Google, where the fuck would you get your porn from then? If it wasn't for corporations like Samsung, Dell, Apple, etc where the fuck would you get your electronics from wacko?

Without electronics you wouldn't be posting on NS in the first place. Without corporations you wouldn't be able to have electronics.

Stupidity much? Not a surprise since most far-right wackos aren't the smartest people in the world.



Well the fact you listed porn as a priority...I mean I’m gay and extremely sex positive but simmer down ?

I won’t dignify you with a proper respone until you use objective reasoning and logic to acknowledge and understand that I’m obviously not against the idea of a large company, I’m against how they have no loyalty to the state and activity promote cultural Marxist interests.
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:18 pm

Page wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:

Yeah sarcasm aside you lot can’t even hold a city block in Seattle for long. I’m more worried about corporations and the government than the useful idiots for said institutions.


I assume that you would not like it if they did what was necessary to hold that block.



I would have more respect actually.
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:20 pm

Southeastern Xiatao wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Is no one going to mention he said ZOG. You know, that anti-semetic consp-

CAN WE JUST GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT ACCELERATIONISM NOW?

It a proven fact anti-semites are really unintelligent people. Maybe if they had sex with a Jewish person for once maybe they realize that Jews aren't so bad.



Never said all Jews, just the Zionist ones

And who hasn’t smashed a bagel ?
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Postby Southeastern Xiatao » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:21 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:
Southeastern Xiatao wrote:If it wasn't for corporations like Google, where the fuck would you get your porn from then? If it wasn't for corporations like Samsung, Dell, Apple, etc where the fuck would you get your electronics from wacko?

Without electronics you wouldn't be posting on NS in the first place. Without corporations you wouldn't be able to have electronics.

Stupidity much? Not a surprise since most far-right wackos aren't the smartest people in the world.



Well the fact you listed porn as a priority...I mean I’m gay and extremely sex positive but simmer down ?

I won’t dignify you with a proper respone until you use objective reasoning and logic to acknowledge and understand that I’m obviously not against the idea of a large company, I’m against how they have no loyalty to the state and activity promote cultural Marxist interests.

Your like fascism and yet your gay?

I mean they do exist but it more of a fucking oxymoron.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:22 pm

Leftist Accelerationism can work which means that right-wingers should be smart and not allow leftists to do it. Capitalism is a tool, but it must be held back to an extent with common sense regulations.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:22 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:I find it so funny that cultural Marxists, especially on the bottom left wing quad of the political spectrum ( this applies to anarchists and more militant progressives) think their idea of a revolution will not co opted and taken from them by the neoliberal elite.

Let’s face facts here most leftists are just puppets of corporations at this point and why not both want to see national sovereignty taken away completely in favour of the ZOG Machine.


Most leftists are puppets of corporations? There's like multiple layers of dog shit in that statement.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:23 pm

Southeastern Xiatao wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Is no one going to mention he said ZOG. You know, that anti-semetic consp-

CAN WE JUST GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT ACCELERATIONISM NOW?

It a proven fact anti-semites are really unintelligent people. Maybe if they had sex with a Jewish person for once maybe they realize that Jews aren't so bad.


Mm Sharon Dubois...

*notices mic is on* uh, I can explain.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:30 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:I find it so funny that cultural Marxists, especially on the bottom left wing quad of the political spectrum ( this applies to anarchists and more militant progressives) think their idea of a revolution will not co opted and taken from them by the neoliberal elite.

Let’s face facts here most leftists are just puppets of corporations at this point and why not both want to see national sovereignty taken away completely in favour of the ZOG Machine.


Most leftists are puppets of corporations? There's like multiple layers of dog shit in that statement.


That's like...the biggest oxymoron in existence.
Since when did the left have Stockholm syndrome?
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:30 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:I find it so funny that cultural Marxists, especially on the bottom left wing quad of the political spectrum ( this applies to anarchists and more militant progressives) think their idea of a revolution will not co opted and taken from them by the neoliberal elite.

Let’s face facts here most leftists are just puppets of corporations at this point and why not both want to see national sovereignty taken away completely in favour of the ZOG Machine.


Most leftists are puppets of corporations? There's like multiple layers of dog shit in that statement.

Some """leftists""" who have been misled to follow identity politics which wholly focus on racial and gender dynamics instead of the more relevant wealthy/poor one could possibly be considered to be their puppets, since they are being distracted from the main goal of actually going after those corporations.

But those individuals aren't really leftists anyway.
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:33 pm

The Left has taken on the agenda of the neo liberal corporate class


Regime change wars, population replacement, focusing on the rights of aliens versus that of the working class etc etc

That’s why they are not accelerating anything and why your resistance in Seattle collapses into nothing.
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:37 pm

Southeastern Xiatao wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:

Well the fact you listed porn as a priority...I mean I’m gay and extremely sex positive but simmer down ?

I won’t dignify you with a proper respone until you use objective reasoning and logic to acknowledge and understand that I’m obviously not against the idea of a large company, I’m against how they have no loyalty to the state and activity promote cultural Marxist interests.

Your like fascism and yet your gay?

I mean they do exist but it more of a fucking oxymoron.



Well considering your side traded gays for socially conservative reactionaries I don’t have any other option
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:38 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:The Left has taken on the agenda of the neo liberal corporate class
Regime change wars,

…You think Barack Obama is left wing, don’t you.
population replacement,

And the tinfoil hats come out already!

focusing on the rights of aliens versus that of the working class etc etc

Do immigrants not work now?
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Postby Page » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:38 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Most leftists are puppets of corporations? There's like multiple layers of dog shit in that statement.

Some """leftists""" who have been misled to follow identity politics which wholly focus on racial and gender dynamics instead of the more relevant wealthy/poor one could possibly be considered to be their puppets, since they are being distracted from the main goal of actually going after those corporations.

But those individuals aren't really leftists anyway.


Class, race, and gender issues intersect with one another, hence intersectionality.
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