Accelerationism

[The Blaatschapen]

Which communist regime did you live under?

California. :^]

Lol, probably one of the most capitalistic places on earth. Much of the big tech is there.

Then again, maybe it is just doing accellerationism

[-Ra-]

California. :^]

Lol, probably one of the most capitalistic places on earth. Much of the big tech is there.

Then again, maybe it is just doing accellerationism

Might have to do with why it's so economically prosperous in the first place...

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Ok, California is bad. But it's not actually communist yet.

... "Yet" ...

California provides most of the economy for the United States, and plus it has the 5th largest GDP in the world that surpasses France and the United Kingdom.

To call California "communist" or insult the state and its people by calling it "Commiefornia" is just damn stupid. Because most of the tech industry in the US is located in Silicon Valley which is very capitalist. If California was even communist then I don't think there would be much of a Silicon Valley or a huge tech industry.

[Reverend Norv]

Which communist regime did you live under?

California. :^]

Here's a syllogism.

1. You would prefer to live under a fascist regime than under a communist regime.

2. California is, according to you, a communist regime.

3. Nazi Germany was a fascist regime.

Ergo, you would rather live in Nazi Germany than in modern California.

Is that correct, or is one of the premises flawed?

[The Emerald Legion]

What if they're both just as bad as each other?

Communism itself is a mixed bag really, most of the time you have it getting hijacked by fucked up individuals who end up killing massive amounts of people (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and so on). Communism if anything is just a ideology often hijacked by authoritarianism. But there are some communist variants that are pro-democracy though. Bear in mind though if you look at Luxembourgism (created by Rosa Luxembourg) she disagreed with having communism associated with nationalism as it would do more harm than good (pretty much she foreshadowed how much of a damn mess Yugoslavia would end up in the 1990's), and she also advocated a form of democracy for a communist society in which people should be heard.

So like I said communism is a mixed bag.

Fascism however was entirely based around nothing but authoritarianism and full-blown nationalism. Although racial genocide is not the core basis of fascism, but when it comes to full-blown nationalism that is associated with fascism then your going to end up with the idea of racial hierarchy and racial genocide against a group of different people. And of course another product of fascism is mass violence against the weak, inferior and those who oppose fascism.

Bear in mind communism has in fact been worse in practice, I mean Mao Zedong killed more people than Stalin and Hitler.

But at the end of the day they are all nothing but monsters who killed millions of innocent people and that doesn't excuse them whatsoever.

Nationalism is not inherently tied to racism. I'm an American Nationalist, which has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

California. :^]

Lol, probably one of the most capitalistic places on earth. Much of the big tech is there.

Then again, maybe it is just doing accellerationism

I for one gladly will submit to my Google overlords and I for one would gladly worship Mark Zuckerberg as the All Mighty Leader.

[Telconi]

... "Yet" ...

California provides most of the economy for the United States, and plus it has the 5th largest GDP in the world that surpasses France and the United Kingdom.

To call California "communist" or insult the state and its people by calling it "Commiefornia" is just damn stupid. Because most of the tech industry in the US is located in Silicon Valley which is very capitalist. If California was even communist then I don't think there would be much of a Silicon Valley or a huge tech industry.

Insulting California is always warranted, no matter how factually correct the insult is.

[The Blaatschapen]

Lol, probably one of the most capitalistic places on earth. Much of the big tech is there.

Then again, maybe it is just doing accellerationism

I for one gladly will submit to my Google overlords and I for one would gladly worship Mark Zuckerberg as the All Mighty Leader.

I hereby rename him Marx Zuckerberg.

[The Reformed American Republic]

[Redacted]

[New yugoslavaia]

What if they're both just as bad as each other?

Communism itself is a mixed bag really, most of the time you have it getting hijacked by fucked up individuals who end up killing massive amounts of people (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and so on). Communism if anything is just a ideology often hijacked by authoritarianism. But there are some communist variants that are pro-democracy though. Bear in mind though if you look at Luxembourgism (created by Rosa Luxembourg) she disagreed with having communism associated with nationalism as it would do more harm than good (pretty much she foreshadowed how much of a damn mess Yugoslavia would end up in the 1990's), and she also advocated a form of democracy for a communist society in which people should be heard.

So like I said communism is a mixed bag.

Fascism however was entirely based around nothing but authoritarianism and full-blown nationalism. Although racial genocide is not the core basis of fascism, but when it comes to full-blown nationalism that is associated with fascism then your going to end up with the idea of racial hierarchy and racial genocide against a group of different people. And of course another product of fascism is mass violence against the weak, inferior and those who oppose fascism.

Bear in mind communism has in fact been worse in practice, I mean Mao Zedong killed more people than Stalin and Hitler.

But at the end of the day they are all nothing but monsters who killed millions of innocent people and that doesn't excuse them whatsoever.

In terms of concept, Fascism and Nazism are worse. Even if Communism was all about killing and oppression, then it would still be better then those far-right ideologies as it is not bigoted or xenophobic.
I was just saying that to break the conversation.
Communism is better, but I would prefer something else.

The problem with accelerationism is that you neither know how close the system is to collapsing nor whether the damage from any deliberately destructive path you try to push things onto will actually hasten it or just subject people to needless misery.

I feel like it's kind of unavoidable to some extent as a strategy though. But if there were easy methods capitalism would already have fallen.

I think it's safe to say accelerationism is not worth it. Untold suffering and destruction of the environment should be avoided.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Communism itself is a mixed bag really, most of the time you have it getting hijacked by fucked up individuals who end up killing massive amounts of people (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and so on). Communism if anything is just a ideology often hijacked by authoritarianism. But there are some communist variants that are pro-democracy though. Bear in mind though if you look at Luxembourgism (created by Rosa Luxembourg) she disagreed with having communism associated with nationalism as it would do more harm than good (pretty much she foreshadowed how much of a damn mess Yugoslavia would end up in the 1990's), and she also advocated a form of democracy for a communist society in which people should be heard.

So like I said communism is a mixed bag.

Fascism however was entirely based around nothing but authoritarianism and full-blown nationalism. Although racial genocide is not the core basis of fascism, but when it comes to full-blown nationalism that is associated with fascism then your going to end up with the idea of racial hierarchy and racial genocide against a group of different people. And of course another product of fascism is mass violence against the weak, inferior and those who oppose fascism.

Bear in mind communism has in fact been worse in practice, I mean Mao Zedong killed more people than Stalin and Hitler.

But at the end of the day they are all nothing but monsters who killed millions of innocent people and that doesn't excuse them whatsoever.

Nationalism is not inherently tied to racism. I'm an American Nationalist, which has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

Didn't I state "when it comes to full-blown nationalism that is associated with fascism then your going to end up with the idea of racial hierarchy and racial genocide against a group of different people"?

I did.

Of course nationalism doesn't automatically lead to racism, but it absolutely will if it is associated with fascism.

[DACOROMANIA]

Oh, another communism vs capitalism debate, again.
You want only to impose a choice between either global capitalism or either global communism (aka Soviet Union), both being tyrannycal dictatorships, but nothing else.

Accelerationism? Do you really want to take down the whole planet's life? all the natural resources ever be found? Who cares of the future of mankind?

I'll give you an example on bad effects on capitalist acceleration in real life. This is how the Capitalist Accelerationism really works in practice.
In Romania, an Austrian Company made its best to bribe and bring in official positions their own people then to cut off all trees and forests, including reservations and making their company leadership above the law. Many foresters/rangers who refused were secretly killed and their families blackmailed then replaced with "puppets" to cover the facts of the wood industry mafia. Many Romanians made a protest in Austria (Vienna) for the protection of Romanian forests years ago. As a revenge the Company took down an entire forest reservation in the North-West of Romania to make their point, that they're the boss. You can see it via satellite how an entire region has been cut down. Even if you try to assign new and honest foresters/rangers they'll be harassed, killed and replaced again with new puppets of the mafia company. Almost 80% of Romanian forests were cut down in less than 20 years and that's around 40% of Romanian territory, even up to 10% of planetary Oxygen production.
Even if European Union may "sanction" Romania, that severe actions would affect only the normal people to make them pay all life a not fair severe and exorbitant fine (and to rebel against EU) but nobody from the rich Company mafia will ever get sanctions or punishment because they already made themselves above the law. Sorry, Austria is from the EU's founder team, so they'll never go to the justice for their crimes and their politicians got their fat bribe at the cost of the natural environment.
And Russia already is waiting for the EU to break on itself and then take domination over half of Europe such as Stalin has done before.

Both Communism and Capitalism are evil, indeed evil. Communism is nothing more than a State Capitalism to oppress its people and the Soviet regimes proved that as well as the Fascist capitalists proved in their regimes.

Accelerationism is nothing more than an ideological theory with the effects of a Earth's suicidal depletion of resources and nothing left for the future generations of humanity to survive. A giant desert as in the Mad Max movies. But again what could I expect? Nobody cares more than their vanity (self-pride).

They want to use capitalism against itself. Clever.

Unfortunately, capitalism is additive. It’s like shooting a water gun at an ocean.

That is how the Soviet Union tried to make its point of view in the 1990. "We should make people's lives miserable so they accept my political ideology." > is exactly how KGB tested political theories before that Russian Federation had to appear. The Rus people left the party to just few insignificant members today even if that tried at best to suppress the new type of popular revolution which ended the red regime.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

I for one gladly will submit to my Google overlords and I for one would gladly worship Mark Zuckerberg as the All Mighty Leader.

I hereby rename him Marx Zuckerberg.

Yus.

[Telconi]

Communism itself is a mixed bag really, most of the time you have it getting hijacked by fucked up individuals who end up killing massive amounts of people (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and so on). Communism if anything is just a ideology often hijacked by authoritarianism. But there are some communist variants that are pro-democracy though. Bear in mind though if you look at Luxembourgism (created by Rosa Luxembourg) she disagreed with having communism associated with nationalism as it would do more harm than good (pretty much she foreshadowed how much of a damn mess Yugoslavia would end up in the 1990's), and she also advocated a form of democracy for a communist society in which people should be heard.

So like I said communism is a mixed bag.

Fascism however was entirely based around nothing but authoritarianism and full-blown nationalism. Although racial genocide is not the core basis of fascism, but when it comes to full-blown nationalism that is associated with fascism then your going to end up with the idea of racial hierarchy and racial genocide against a group of different people. And of course another product of fascism is mass violence against the weak, inferior and those who oppose fascism.

Bear in mind communism has in fact been worse in practice, I mean Mao Zedong killed more people than Stalin and Hitler.

But at the end of the day they are all nothing but monsters who killed millions of innocent people and that doesn't excuse them whatsoever.

In terms of concept, Fascism and Nazism are worse. Even if Communism was all about killing and oppression, then it would still be better then those far-right ideologies as it is not bigoted or xenophobic.
I was just saying that to break the conversation.
Communism is better, but I would prefer something else.

The problem with accelerationism is that you neither know how close the system is to collapsing nor whether the damage from any deliberately destructive path you try to push things onto will actually hasten it or just subject people to needless misery.

I feel like it's kind of unavoidable to some extent as a strategy though. But if there were easy methods capitalism would already have fallen.

I think it's safe to say accelerationism is not worth it. Untold suffering and destruction of the environment should be avoided.

The number of religious minorities, foreigners, and political dissidents harmed by communist regimes would beg to disagree.

[New yugoslavaia]

California. :^]

Here's a syllogism.

1. You would prefer to live under a fascist regime than under a communist regime.

2. California is, according to you, a communist regime.

3. Nazi Germany was a fascist regime.

Ergo, you would rather live in Nazi Germany than in modern California.

Is that correct, or is one of the premises flawed?

Is funny how in his sig he says he opposes things like sexism and racism, yet he prefers a regime that supports said things over one that doesn't.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

In terms of concept, Fascism and Nazism are worse. Even if Communism was all about killing and oppression, then it would still be better then those far-right ideologies as it is not bigoted or xenophobic.
I was just saying that to break the conversation.
Communism is better, but I would prefer something else.



I think it's safe to say accelerationism is not worth it. Untold suffering and destruction of the environment should be avoided.

The number of religious minorities, foreigners, and political dissidents harmed by communist regimes would beg to disagree.

Are you quoting me or the other guy?

[Telconi]

Here's a syllogism.

1. You would prefer to live under a fascist regime than under a communist regime.

2. California is, according to you, a communist regime.

3. Nazi Germany was a fascist regime.

Ergo, you would rather live in Nazi Germany than in modern California.

Is that correct, or is one of the premises flawed?

Is funny how in his sig he says he opposes things like sexism and racism, yet he prefers a regime that supports said things over one that doesn't.

For one evil to be the lesser evil, it must first be evil.

[New yugoslavaia]

In terms of concept, Fascism and Nazism are worse. Even if Communism was all about killing and oppression, then it would still be better then those far-right ideologies as it is not bigoted or xenophobic.
I was just saying that to break the conversation.
Communism is better, but I would prefer something else.



I think it's safe to say accelerationism is not worth it. Untold suffering and destruction of the environment should be avoided.

The number of religious minorities, foreigners, and political dissidents harmed by communist regimes would beg to disagree.

Well, if that's the case then both systems are equally ba-

Wait a minute, aren't we supposed to be talking about Accelerationism and not if the Far-right or Far-left is better.
Let's get back on track...
NOW!

[Kowani]

Is funny how in his sig he says he opposes things like sexism and racism, yet he prefers a regime that supports said things over one that doesn't.

For one evil to be the lesser evil, it must first be evil.

So were the Nazis evil, then?

[Reverend Norv]

Is funny how in his sig he says he opposes things like sexism and racism, yet he prefers a regime that supports said things over one that doesn't.

For one evil to be the lesser evil, it must first be evil.

That's not an answer to my question. Would you rather live in Nazi Germany than in modern California? If not, which of my premises is flawed?

[DACOROMANIA]

Nationalism is not inherently tied to racism. I'm an American Nationalist, which has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

Didn't I state "when it comes to full-blown nationalism that is associated with fascism then your going to end up with the idea of racial hierarchy and racial genocide against a group of different people"?

I did.

Of course nationalism doesn't automatically lead to racism, but it absolutely will if it is associated with fascism.

The Soviet Union was highly nationalist such as North Kore is still today. Surely you wouldn't say anything about communist nationalism if SSSR was still alive.

[Telconi]

For one evil to be the lesser evil, it must first be evil.

So were the Nazis evil, then?

I think that's obvious.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Here's a syllogism.

1. You would prefer to live under a fascist regime than under a communist regime.

2. California is, according to you, a communist regime.

3. Nazi Germany was a fascist regime.

Ergo, you would rather live in Nazi Germany than in modern California.

Is that correct, or is one of the premises flawed?

Is funny how in his sig he says he opposes things like sexism and racism, yet he prefers a regime that supports said things over one that doesn't.

I mean Francoist Spain was very sexist toward women as it had abortion, divorce, and birth control illegal. And plus Franco suppressed the Basque, Catalan, and Galician languages from being taught or spoken in public, which although not racist it is still pretty much an asshole thing to do over other ethnicities who speak a different language than you.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

So were the Nazis evil, then?

I think that's obvious.

Depends on the said Nazi, although Nazism was evil there obviously was many Nazis who disagreed with Hitler and his ideals but didn't speak out as it would mean the death of their families in the process. There were asshole Nazis who engaged in fucked up shit and there were victim Nazis (I can't believe I am saying that...) who had no choice but to engage in fucked up shit.

Sad really in the end.

[Mannixa Prime]

I find it so funny that cultural Marxists, especially on the bottom left wing quad of the political spectrum ( this applies to anarchists and more militant progressives) think their idea of a revolution will not co opted and taken from them by the neoliberal elite.

Let’s face facts here most leftists are just puppets of corporations at this point and why not both want to see national sovereignty taken away completely in favour of the ZOG Machine.