Accelerationism

[Duvniask]

Do you link Cultural Marxism to the Frankfurt school?

Very very loosely. I link it with other schools of thought as well, some that are much worse. I don't like the Frankfurt school, though that's because I don't like postmodernism in general. I think of it as a movement of zealots though, not Jews. I roll my eyes when someone tries to link this to some Jewish conspiracy, especially when those philosophers tend not to be very friendly to Israel.

Here's where I can tell you don't actually understand what you're talking about, though. The Frankfurt School has nothing to do with postmodernism. It's members have criticized postmodern society and intellectuals; the video I linked makes that clear, too. You can't just throw these terms around when you don't properly understand them.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

It does seem though that left wing accelerationism is a little bit better. At least it doesn't end in a white ethnostate and billions dead because they were "impure". At best, the left wing variant would just lead to the rich getting guillotined. In general, both types would kill many people by the worsening of capitalism, but in terms of casualties in the "final revolt", left variant is preferable. It's really a matter of the lesser of two evils.

I mean at the end of the day this goes for any political ideology in general. There is no perfect political ideology for society, some are better and some are just shit and some are just disturbing enough to make a dystopia.

[Nakena]

The accelerationism is already in full swing.

Just in a different way than some people here imagine.

[Telconi]

I would rather blow my brains out than live in any fascist society.

Same.

Seriously, how can a none-fascist/nazi/alt-righter (although I prefer the term uber-right) say that with a straight face?

How could a non-communist say they prefer communism with a straight face?

[New yugoslavaia]

Same.

Seriously, how can a none-fascist/nazi/alt-righter (although I prefer the term uber-right) say that with a straight face?

How could a non-communist say they prefer communism with a straight face?

What if they're both just as bad as each other?

[Telconi]

How could a non-communist say they prefer communism with a straight face?

What if they're both just as bad as each other?

What if pigs flew?

[The Reformed American Republic]

Very very loosely. I link it with other schools of thought as well, some that are much worse. I don't like the Frankfurt school, though that's because I don't like postmodernism in general. I think of it as a movement of zealots though, not Jews. I roll my eyes when someone tries to link this to some Jewish conspiracy, especially when those philosophers tend not to be very friendly to Israel.

Here's where I can tell you don't actually understand what you're talking about, though. The Frankfurt School has nothing to do with postmodernism. It's members have criticized postmodern society and intellectuals; the video I linked makes that clear, too. You can't just throw these terms around when you don't properly understand them.

All well, it's a minor error on my part. It wasn't the main school of thought I opposed.

I'm ending this here now. If you want to discuss this further telegram me, as I just realized I'm threadjacking.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

I would rather blow my brains out than live in any fascist society.

Same.

Seriously, how can a none-fascist/nazi/alt-righter (although I prefer the term uber-right) say that with a straight face?

Probably due to the fact they never experienced what it is like to live in a fascist society like Spain during Franco's regime, Portugal during Estado Novo, Brazil during its military junta (from 1963-1985), Chile under Augusto Pinochet's rule, Argentina during the National Reorganization Process (from 1976-1983), Nazi Germany, Vichy France, or Italy during the time Benito Mussolini ruled it.

To them they think a fascist society be a utopia, but when it comes to reality it never lasts forever. Eventually things will get out of control when the economy goes to shit and when the people get hungry they are going into the streets to revolt and overthrow their fascist government even if it is a bloody process.

I mean we all know how well that ended very well for Benito Mussolini. Not only was he executed by his own people he also had his corpse urinated on by women due to how hated he was at that point in World War II.

Nothing ever ends well for fascism no matter what any far-right lover tends to think.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I am also an accelerationist. I'm not because of nazism or communism though. I just think people are shit. So yeah, fuck the world. Let's cancel everything.

[Telconi]

Same.

Seriously, how can a none-fascist/nazi/alt-righter (although I prefer the term uber-right) say that with a straight face?

Probably due to the fact they never experienced what it is like to live in a fascist society like Spain during Franco's regime, Portugal during Estado Novo, Brazil during its military junta (from 1963-1985), Chile under Augusto Pinochet's rule, Argentina during the National Reorganization Process (from 1976-1983), Nazi Germany, Vichy France, or Italy during the time Benito Mussolini ruled it.

To them they think a fascist society be a utopia, but when it comes to reality it never lasts forever. Eventually things will get out of control when the economy goes to shit and when the people get hungry they are going into the streets to revolt and overthrow their fascist government even if it is a bloody process.

I mean we all know how well that ended very well for Benito Mussolini. Not only was he executed by his own people he also had his corpse urinated on by women due to how hated he was at that point in World War II.

Nothing ever ends well for fascism no matter what any far-right lover tends to think.

Which of those fascist regimes did you live under?

[Telconi]

I am also an accelerationist. I'm not because of nazism or communism though. I just think people are shit. So yeah, fuck the world. Let's cancel everything.

Basically this, as far as I can tell, human society doesn't deserve to perpetuate itself.

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Probably due to the fact they never experienced what it is like to live in a fascist society like Spain during Franco's regime, Portugal during Estado Novo, Brazil during its military junta (from 1963-1985), Chile under Augusto Pinochet's rule, Argentina during the National Reorganization Process (from 1976-1983), Nazi Germany, Vichy France, or Italy during the time Benito Mussolini ruled it.

To them they think a fascist society be a utopia, but when it comes to reality it never lasts forever. Eventually things will get out of control when the economy goes to shit and when the people get hungry they are going into the streets to revolt and overthrow their fascist government even if it is a bloody process.

I mean we all know how well that ended very well for Benito Mussolini. Not only was he executed by his own people he also had his corpse urinated on by women due to how hated he was at that point in World War II.

Nothing ever ends well for fascism no matter what any far-right lover tends to think.

Which of those fascist regimes did you live under?

Which communist regime did you live under?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I am also an accelerationist. I'm not because of nazism or communism though. I just think people are shit. So yeah, fuck the world. Let's cancel everything.

Basically this, as far as I can tell, human society doesn't deserve to perpetuate itself.

The world war series sadly was discontinued in 1945. I say end it already and give us world war III.

[-Astoria-]

I’d agree that accelerationism would cause significantly more harm than good, since you’re right on that if people’s material conditions are deliberately made worse through accelerationism then the vast majority of them would be more concerned with surviving than “rising up”.

This.

[Telconi]

Which of those fascist regimes did you live under?

Which communist regime did you live under?

California. :^]

[The Emerald Legion]

Which of those fascist regimes did you live under?

Which communist regime did you live under?

It's funny. I actually have met people who lived under communism. Used to work with an old Polish guy who hated it because he lived under it.

[-Ra-]

Which communist regime did you live under?

It's funny. I actually have met people who lived under communism. Used to work with an old Polish guy who hated it because he lived under it.

Ever noticed that all the people advocating for communism are almost always people who have never lived under it or even had a taste of it?

Curious

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It's funny. I actually have met people who lived under communism. Used to work with an old Polish guy who hated it because he lived under it.

Ever noticed that all the people advocating for communism are almost always people who have never lived under it or even had a taste of it?

Curious

Shamima Begum loved jihad till she had to fight a war for it. Now she's begging and pleading for her life.

[The Emerald Legion]

Which communist regime did you live under?

California. :^]

Ok, California is bad. But it's not actually communist yet.

[-Astoria-]

Which communist regime did you live under?

California. :^]

:hmm:

[Telconi]

California. :^]

Ok, California is bad. But it's not actually communist yet.

... "Yet" ...

[Outer Acharet]

It's funny. I actually have met people who lived under communism. Used to work with an old Polish guy who hated it because he lived under it.

Ever noticed that all the people advocating for communism are almost always people who have never lived under it or even had a taste of it?

Curious

Utopian ideologies are generally like that. Use the rule you would any ordinary scam: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't.

EDIT: This goes for any end of the political spectrum.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

How could a non-communist say they prefer communism with a straight face?

What if they're both just as bad as each other?

Communism itself is a mixed bag really, most of the time you have it getting hijacked by fucked up individuals who end up killing massive amounts of people (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and so on). Communism if anything is just a ideology often hijacked by authoritarianism. But there are some communist variants that are pro-democracy though. Bear in mind though if you look at Luxembourgism (created by Rosa Luxembourg) she disagreed with having communism associated with nationalism as it would do more harm than good (pretty much she foreshadowed how much of a damn mess Yugoslavia would end up in the 1990's), and she also advocated a form of democracy for a communist society in which people should be heard.

So like I said communism is a mixed bag.

Fascism however was entirely based around nothing but authoritarianism and full-blown nationalism. Although racial genocide is not the core basis of fascism, but when it comes to full-blown nationalism that is associated with fascism then your going to end up with the idea of racial hierarchy and racial genocide against a group of different people. And of course another product of fascism is mass violence against the weak, inferior and those who oppose fascism.

Bear in mind communism has in fact been worse in practice, I mean Mao Zedong killed more people than Stalin and Hitler.

But at the end of the day they are all nothing but monsters who killed millions of innocent people and that doesn't excuse them whatsoever.

[Dumb Ideologies]

The problem with accelerationism is that you neither know how close the system is to collapsing nor whether the damage from any deliberately destructive path you try to push things onto will actually hasten it or just subject people to needless misery.

I feel like it's kind of unavoidable to some extent as a strategy though. If there were easy methods capitalism would already have fallen.

[Khoronzon]

I am also an accelerationist. I'm not because of nazism or communism though. I just think people are shit. So yeah, fuck the world. Let's cancel everything.

Okay, based.

People with nothing to lose are less pacified than those who live in comfort, but do not necessarily defy the system in a productive way. Ideally they would organize, unionize, practice mutual aid, strike, and even take to the streets to rise up, but many instead choose to do things like sell drugs or their bodies or get high or they steal (and often not from those who should be stolen from) or commit suicide.

Which set of conditions would actually incentivise people to organise along their class interests and strike - one in which they are suffering and debasing themselves, or one in which they are pacified by comfort and reforms? As I said, not everyone will engage in productive opposition no matter the circumstances. Unrestrained capitalism simply breeds more antagonism, while reformed capitalism dampens it. What are your thoughts on class collaborationism, if I might ask?