Okay? "Cultural Marxism" is a conspiracy theory with roots in the Nazi conspiracy theory of Judeo-Bolshevism. It's the same thing, repackaged for usage by right-wingers in today's political climate.
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by Duvniask » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:50 am
by New yugoslavaia » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:51 am
Southeastern Xiatao wrote:Yeah Accelerationism pretty much does a lot more harm than good if anything. Seeing how plenty of people in the alt-right have been using it for motives to cause mayhem.
For instance the guy who did the 2019 Christchurch mosque shootings did in fact embrace accelerationism. And there are plenty of other monsters like James Mason who used accelerationism to simply try and start a civil war in America.
Now that I think of it... I can probably argue that Charles Manson was a far-right accelerationist too seeing he wanted to start a race war and thought that killing a bunch of celebrities would do the "trick".
Bear in mind there is left-wing variants of accelerationism, but then there is right-wing accelerationism. And then there is far-right accelerationism which is what I just was talking about.
by Page » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:55 am
Khoronzon wrote:Page wrote:I no longer believe in accelerationism for two reasons. One, I think worsening material conditions do not necessarily make people more revolutionary because people too preoccupied with survival needs often do not have time or energy to fight. I also think that worse lives will cause apathy and despair and leave people unmotivated to resist the system.
Capitalism requires a degree of material luxury to function properly. If the masses are starving, who's going to keep buying goods? Who's going to maintain the consumer economy? Besides that, who do you think is more likely to oppose it - someone with nothing left to lose, or someone being kept pacified by comfort? Yes, poverty means more effort being put towards mere survival, but that process breeds discontent in a far more tangible way than abstract theorising about Marxism. Not everyone will even think to rise up no matter which option happens, but under worsened material conditions, more people will have obvious reasons to be dissatisfied.Page wrote:The other problem is that there are fascists waiting to take over when the system falls, and if revolution were to break out under terrible conditions there is no guarantee the fascists will be defeated.
Of course, if you manage to topple the capitalist system, there's no guarantee that whatever emerges afterwards will be your perfect utopia. That's not the point. What is guaranteed is that regardless of whatever ideology holds power in the aftermath of this hypothetical, it would be easier to overthrow than what preceded it. Fascism (or just [insert ideology you don't like], for that matter) really isn't a concern. Yes, it will most likely become more politically prominent should liberal capitalism get taken out of the picture and other ideologies become able to actually compete, but no post-revolutionary ideology would have nearly as much of a foothold. Realistically, accelerationism isn't about making your ideal society in the aftermath of capitalism's fall, it's just about making capitalism fall so that whatever comes afterwards is easier to remove or shape into a better direction.
by The Reformed American Republic » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:56 am
Duvniask wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
Stop peddling communist conspiracy theories.
Okay? "Cultural Marxism" is a conspiracy theory with roots in the Nazi conspiracy theory of Judeo-Bolshevism. It's the same thing, repackaged for usage by right-wingers in today's political climate.
by Telconi » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:56 am
New yugoslavaia wrote:Southeastern Xiatao wrote:Yeah Accelerationism pretty much does a lot more harm than good if anything. Seeing how plenty of people in the alt-right have been using it for motives to cause mayhem.
For instance the guy who did the 2019 Christchurch mosque shootings did in fact embrace accelerationism. And there are plenty of other monsters like James Mason who used accelerationism to simply try and start a civil war in America.
Now that I think of it... I can probably argue that Charles Manson was a far-right accelerationist too seeing he wanted to start a race war and thought that killing a bunch of celebrities would do the "trick".
Bear in mind there is left-wing variants of accelerationism, but then there is right-wing accelerationism. And then there is far-right accelerationism which is what I just was talking about.
It does seem though that left wing accelerationism is a little bit better. At least it doesn't end in a white ethnostate and billions dead because they were "impure". At best, the left wing variant would just lead to the rich getting guillotined. In general, both types would kill many people by the worsening of capitalism, but in terms of casualties in the "final revolt", left variant is preferable. It's really a matter of the lesser of two evils.
by New yugoslavaia » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:59 am
Telconi wrote:New yugoslavaia wrote:
It does seem though that left wing accelerationism is a little bit better. At least it doesn't end in a white ethnostate and billions dead because they were "impure". At best, the left wing variant would just lead to the rich getting guillotined. In general, both types would kill many people by the worsening of capitalism, but in terms of casualties in the "final revolt", left variant is preferable. It's really a matter of the lesser of two evils.
A communist society is unable to be the lesser of two evils.
by Telconi » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:00 am
by Duvniask » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:00 am
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Duvniask wrote:Okay? "Cultural Marxism" is a conspiracy theory with roots in the Nazi conspiracy theory of Judeo-Bolshevism. It's the same thing, repackaged for usage by right-wingers in today's political climate.
I of course do not use the same definition the Nazis used for "Judeo-Bolshevism" nor do I think it is a Jewish conspiracy or anything stupid like that. I'll watch the video you linked later.
by The Emerald Legion » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:01 am
Duvniask wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
Stop peddling communist conspiracy theories.
Okay? "Cultural Marxism" is a conspiracy theory with roots in the Nazi conspiracy theory of Judeo-Bolshevism. It's the same thing, repackaged for usage by right-wingers in today's political climate.
by Page » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:01 am
-Ra- wrote:Page wrote:
Most leftists aren't accelerationists.
Accelerationism is one of the final stages of leftist thought. Many leftists actively encourage economic collapse because it will advance their political country. I would call the type of person who wants people to lose their wealth and income security just because it will make their ideas more palatable to the common man is sick at the heart.
by Southeastern Xiatao » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:02 am
Duvniask wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
Stop peddling communist conspiracy theories.
Okay? "Cultural Marxism" is a conspiracy theory with roots in the Nazi conspiracy theory of Judeo-Bolshevism. It's the same thing, repackaged for usage by right-wingers in today's political climate.
by Page » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:04 am
Southeastern Xiatao wrote:Duvniask wrote:Okay? "Cultural Marxism" is a conspiracy theory with roots in the Nazi conspiracy theory of Judeo-Bolshevism. It's the same thing, repackaged for usage by right-wingers in today's political climate.
This.
"Cultural Marxism" is just a ridiculous conspiracy theory made by butthurt far-right wingers who just don't like people of other ethnicities living alongside them in society and are mad that other races and ethnicities are treated as actual people.
by Southeastern Xiatao » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:04 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:Duvniask wrote:Okay? "Cultural Marxism" is a conspiracy theory with roots in the Nazi conspiracy theory of Judeo-Bolshevism. It's the same thing, repackaged for usage by right-wingers in today's political climate.
I'm sorry but,
"Nazis disagree with me. And you Disagree with me, therefore you are a Nazi." Is shit argumentation and the person who made that video should feel bad for his red herring bullshit.
by Page » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:07 am
Southeastern Xiatao wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
I'm sorry but,
"Nazis disagree with me. And you Disagree with me, therefore you are a Nazi." Is shit argumentation and the person who made that video should feel bad for his red herring bullshit.
Fair point it is illogical to call someone a Nazi just for disagreeing with you, unless they actually support white supremacy and praise Adolf Hitler as a hero (then they are obviously a Nazi).
by Southeastern Xiatao » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:07 am
Page wrote:Southeastern Xiatao wrote:This.
"Cultural Marxism" is just a ridiculous conspiracy theory made by butthurt far-right wingers who just don't like people of other ethnicities living alongside them in society and are mad that other races and ethnicities are treated as actual people.
A conspiracy that falls under the category of "would actually be awesome if it were true."
by -Ra- » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:09 am
Southeastern Xiatao wrote:Duvniask wrote:Okay? "Cultural Marxism" is a conspiracy theory with roots in the Nazi conspiracy theory of Judeo-Bolshevism. It's the same thing, repackaged for usage by right-wingers in today's political climate.
This.
"Cultural Marxism" is just a ridiculous conspiracy theory made by butthurt far-right wingers who just don't like people of other ethnicities living alongside them in society and are mad that other races and ethnicities are treated as actual people.
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by His Excellence » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:09 am
Page wrote:To be an accelerationist, one must believe that (A) capitalism should fall and B) that it's fall should be accelerated by the decline of material conditions.
I have always and still do believe in A but I have been rethinking B.
Page wrote:The other problem is that there are fascists waiting to take over when the system falls, and if revolution were to break out under terrible conditions there is no guarantee the fascists will be defeated. A united left must confront fascism in the aftermath of late capitalism in the strongest possible position.
Page wrote:Would the fall of capitalism under current conditions more likely lead to fascism or communism?
by Duvniask » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:11 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:Duvniask wrote:Okay? "Cultural Marxism" is a conspiracy theory with roots in the Nazi conspiracy theory of Judeo-Bolshevism. It's the same thing, repackaged for usage by right-wingers in today's political climate.
I'm sorry but,
"Nazis disagree with me. And you Disagree with me, therefore you are a Nazi." Is shit argumentation and the person who made that video should feel bad for his red herring bullshit.
by Southeastern Xiatao » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:11 am
Page wrote:Southeastern Xiatao wrote:Fair point it is illogical to call someone a Nazi just for disagreeing with you, unless they actually support white supremacy and praise Adolf Hitler as a hero (then they are obviously a Nazi).
Most nazis don't openly praise Hitler, they use dog whistles which their fellow nazis understand the meaning of and conservatives agree with the ostensible message. And they code their antisemitism, replacing the word Jew with cultural Marxist, globalist, elitist, or Soros.
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:12 am
Page wrote:The term accelerationism has multiple definitions but here means the belief that the fall of capitalism should be accelerated, that the worsening of people's lives under capitalism will cause a revolution happen sooner than if the capitalism's end was forestalled by social democracy and/or a welfare state.
To be an accelerationist, one must believe that (A) capitalism should fall and B) that it's fall should be accelerated by the decline of material conditions.
I have always and still do believe in A but I have been rethinking B. I no longer believe in accelerationism for two reasons. One, I think worsening material conditions do not necessarily make people more revolutionary because people too preoccupied with survival needs often do not have time or energy to fight. I also think that worse lives will cause apathy and despair and leave people unmotivated to resist the system. The other problem is that there are fascists waiting to take over when the system falls, and if revolution were to break out under terrible conditions there is no guarantee the fascists will be defeated. A united left must confront fascism in the aftermath of late capitalism in the strongest possible position.
Are revolutionaries more capable under unchecked capitalism or social democracy? Would the fall of capitalism under current conditions more likely lead to fascism or communism? Will capitalism fall soon or will its death be exceedingly slow?
by Southeastern Xiatao » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:14 am
-Ra- wrote:Southeastern Xiatao wrote:This.
"Cultural Marxism" is just a ridiculous conspiracy theory made by butthurt far-right wingers who just don't like people of other ethnicities living alongside them in society and are mad that other races and ethnicities are treated as actual people.
This is false. Neo-Marxist is very much a thing, and Marxism is very popular in academia.
by The Reformed American Republic » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:14 am
by Southeastern Xiatao » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:16 am
by -Ra- » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:17 am
The Blaatschapen wrote:Page wrote:The term accelerationism has multiple definitions but here means the belief that the fall of capitalism should be accelerated, that the worsening of people's lives under capitalism will cause a revolution happen sooner than if the capitalism's end was forestalled by social democracy and/or a welfare state.
To be an accelerationist, one must believe that (A) capitalism should fall and B) that it's fall should be accelerated by the decline of material conditions.
I have always and still do believe in A but I have been rethinking B. I no longer believe in accelerationism for two reasons. One, I think worsening material conditions do not necessarily make people more revolutionary because people too preoccupied with survival needs often do not have time or energy to fight. I also think that worse lives will cause apathy and despair and leave people unmotivated to resist the system. The other problem is that there are fascists waiting to take over when the system falls, and if revolution were to break out under terrible conditions there is no guarantee the fascists will be defeated. A united left must confront fascism in the aftermath of late capitalism in the strongest possible position.
Are revolutionaries more capable under unchecked capitalism or social democracy? Would the fall of capitalism under current conditions more likely lead to fascism or communism? Will capitalism fall soon or will its death be exceedingly slow?
I am not an accellerationist at all. I think that movements like BLM, etc. are having such an impact because the people involved in it have more social power (money, status) than in earlier times. So first emancipate the downtrodden to gain power. Then, revolution.
Or evolution perhaps, if we can peacefully move away from capitalism.
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