Yale University found committing discrimination

[-Ra-]

I mean, we all knew it was true. But getting rid of affirmative action won't change much. The supreme court has already stated that schools are perfectly within their rights to admit minority students first. I just hope all of the people who are okay with that are also okay that they may someday be treated by a doctor, or represented by a lawyer who only got into school because of his skin color.

Absolutely this.

When you value race over merit, race over mediocrity, then you're going to produce people who are inherently unqualified to be in the spaces they hold. You are also going to deny a perfectly qualified white or Asian-American student who could have greatly benefited from an Ivy League education for the sole reason that they are not oppressed enough.

I find this idea that black people in the West have to be given an explicit "leg up" is particularly harmful to other races and especially hurtful to black people themselves, as it will inevitably perpetuate the stereotype that a black person in these spaces = was only admitted because they are black, not because they are qualified or deserve to be there.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I mean, we all knew it was true. But getting rid of affirmative action won't change much. The supreme court has already stated that schools are perfectly within their rights to admit minority students first. I just hope all of the people who are okay with that are also okay that they may someday be treated by a doctor, or represented by a lawyer who only got into school because of his skin color.

Absolutely this.

When you value race over merit, race over mediocrity, then you're going to produce people who are inherently unqualified to be in the spaces they hold.

If your top universities are graduating people who are "inherently unqualified" then that's your problem right there. Nothing to do with race.

You are also going to deny a perfectly qualified white or Asian-American student who could have greatly benefited from an Ivy League education for the sole reason that they are not oppressed enough.

I find this idea that black people in the West have to be given an explicit "leg up" is particularly harmful to other races and especially hurtful to black people themselves, as it will inevitably perpetuate the stereotype that a black person in these spaces = was only admitted because they are black, not because they are qualified or deserve to be there.

Yeah. It would be much better if the institutions could just do it and not tell anyone. Unfortunately that's not an option in this world where people start threads to condemn them for being horribly racist.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I once dated this one girl who said her mom got into college as part of this program where the "most qualified students from her school were accepted in." It was some affirmative action-like shit, and she herself admitted as much. I didn't say it to her but I thought "what if the most qualified students had like a C average? So we're gonna say 'you're clearly not that smart or qualified but you're black so we gotta take you in.'" Now yes, I'm sure many of the "most qualified students" were qualified even without this program, but it sounded like they were taking the best students from said school and not just students who lived up to their standards.

[Greed and Death]

I mean, we all knew it was true. But getting rid of affirmative action won't change much. The supreme court has already stated that schools are perfectly within their rights to admit minority students first. I just hope all of the people who are okay with that are also okay that they may someday be treated by a doctor, or represented by a lawyer who only got into school because of his skin color.

No they haven't.

What the supreme court has addressed is whether public universities run afoul of the 14th amendment in their affirmative action policies. The supreme court has allowed affirmative action policies in some cases and not others depending on how the policy is structured. The 14th Amendment does not apply to private universities at all.

The states and the federal government are still allowed to regulate private universities by the passage of a law or regulation. Or by interpreting existing laws and regulations more narrowly. The state's authrity stems from general police power and the federal government's power stems from commerce clause and taxing and spending power.
This appears to be a a dear colleague letter attempt to regulate.

[Loben III]

So let's figure this out.
In the 1860s Slavery was outlawed and African Americans were given the right to vote, In the South Segregation was Implemented.
In the 1960s Segregation was outlawed.
Now in The 21st Century ...

... black people are no longer disadvantaged? Therefore anything done to advantage black people is racist.

Wrong assumptions lead you to a wrong conclusion.

Now are they disadvantaged because they are black or are they disadvantaged because they are poor.

[-Ra-]

... black people are no longer disadvantaged? Therefore anything done to advantage black people is racist.

Wrong assumptions lead you to a wrong conclusion.

Now are they disadvantaged because they are black or are they disadvantaged because they are poor.

Typically the latter, but leftists assume both the latter and the former because of "intersectionality" or some shit.

[Novus America]

Diversity is generally important for education, I wouldn't be surprised that a university like Yale values it. It's not racist to want different points of view represented.

It is racist to base it on race. By default. To say we prefer blacks over Asians is pretty damn racist. Maybe you think racism is good and needed here, but that would not make it not racism.

[Novus America]

So let's figure this out.
In the 1860s Slavery was outlawed and African Americans were given the right to vote, In the South Segregation was Implemented.
In the 1960s Segregation was outlawed.
Now in The 21st Century ...

... black people are no longer disadvantaged? Therefore anything done to advantage black people is racist.

Wrong assumptions lead you to a wrong conclusion.

You also make a wrong assumption, assuming all black people are disadvantaged. You think the Obama daughters are disadvantaged? Of course not, the are amongst some of the most privileged elite, who can go to any school and work anywhere they want.
And will almost certainly stay very wealthy.

Many black people are disadvantaged still, this is true. So why not help the disadvantaged ones? Not the few who are millionaires?

[Ors Might]

Broke: AA based on race

Woke: AA based on income

[The Reformed American Republic]

Leukophobia is the irrational fear of the color white.

Much effort.

ok commie.

Diversity is generally important for education, I wouldn't be surprised that a university like Yale values it. It's not racist to want different points of view represented.

It is racist to base it on race. By default. To say we prefer blacks over Asians is pretty damn racist. Maybe you think racism is good and needed here, but that would not make it not racism.

Well, its not "racist" now, as they're literally changing the definition of racism to allow this regressive shit to be passed. This is probably why the "anti-racist" activists now want a prejudice plus power definition.

Yale is a rip off, unless you're becoming a lawyer or manage to land something else thats lucrative or elitist in terms of career path.

This just shows that these are a bunch of elites who want to show everyone how woke they are. This is woke capital at its finest.

[Novus America]

Much effort.

ok commie.

It is racist to base it on race. By default. To say we prefer blacks over Asians is pretty damn racist. Maybe you think racism is good and needed here, but that would not make it not racism.

Well, its not "racist" now, as they're literally changing the definition of racism to allow this regressive shit to be passed. This is probably why the "anti-racist" activists now want a prejudice plus power definition.

Yale is a rip off, unless you're becoming a lawyer or manage to land something else thats lucrative or elitist in terms of career path.

This just shows that these are a bunch of elites who want to show everyone how woke they are. This is woke capital at its finest.

True, but even the “prejudice plus power” stupidity falls apart here.
Because it is rich elite white people deciding blacks are better than Asians...

[The Reformed American Republic]

ok commie.


Well, its not "racist" now, as they're literally changing the definition of racism to allow this regressive shit to be passed. This is probably why the "anti-racist" activists now want a prejudice plus power definition.

This just shows that these are a bunch of elites who want to show everyone how woke they are. This is woke capital at its finest.

True, but even the “prejudice plus power” stupidity falls apart here.
Because it is rich elite white people deciding blacks are better than Asians...

Such activists are not going to care about consistency or principle. Expect mental gymnastics from them on how this is not racist.

[-Astoria-]

Much effort.

ok commie.

ok fash; but you keep using that word.

[-Ra-]

ok commie.

ok fash; but you keep using that word.

I mean, it is what you are, so own up to the fact that you support a murderous ideology.

[Bear Stearns]

P: He was part of that whole Yale thing.
D: Yale thing?
P: Yeah, Yale thing.
D: What do you mean "Yale thing?"
P: Well I think for one, he was probably a closet homosexual who did a lot of cocaine. That Yale thing.

[Des-Bal]

Trump's DOJ has no credibility. It's a pure political tool these days.

This shit's been happening long before trump. Until the 60's yale capped the number of jews they'd enroll so they wouldn't be grossly disproportionate even if they happened to be supremely qualified. Harvard went through the exact same controversy with white and asian applicants a couple years back. Obama was in office, Yale defended them.

[-Astoria-]

ok fash; but you keep using that word.

I mean, it is what you are, so own up to the fact that you support a murderous ideology.

If you seriously believe that I, in any way support communism, then you clearly have no idea of what you're talking about, or who you're even talking to.

But go on; keep projecting.

[Bear Stearns]

Trump's DOJ has no credibility. It's a pure political tool these days.

Of course Trump is brought into this.

[Vistulange]

ok fash; but you keep using that word.

I mean, it is what you are, so own up to the fact that you support a murderous ideology.

The strawman.

It did nothing wrong. Stop beating it.

[Punished UMN]

One thing to keep in mind is that Black Americans don't necessarily benefit that much from these policies at schools like Yale, where a disproportionate amount of black students are foreign.

[Loben III]

One thing to keep in mind is that Black Americans don't necessarily benefit that much from these policies at schools like Yale, where a disproportionate amount of black students are foreign.

I mean it’s something for the yellow press.

[The Reformed American Republic]

One thing to keep in mind is that Black Americans don't necessarily benefit that much from these policies at schools like Yale, where a disproportionate amount of black students are foreign.

I mean it’s something for the yellow press.

Indeed. Progressivism enforced from the top down as well.

[Des-Bal]

Broke: AA based on race

Woke: AA based on income

I disagree. I think affirmative action based on race is fine when it is focused on identifying talent in places it may otherwise go ignored. Make it easy black candidates to apply, reach out to communities where you haven't before, be prepared to offer scholarships.

[Greed and Death]

Broke: AA based on race

Woke: AA based on income

I disagree. I think affirmative action based on race is fine when it is focused on identifying talent in places it may otherwise go ignored. Make it easy black candidates to apply, reach out to communities where you haven't before, be prepared to offer scholarships.

It doesn't do that though. AA in its current form targets upper middle class and upper class black people.
Last time it was before the supreme court when they were discussing if it was still needed the argument defending it was economic only diversity would result in universities not recruiting upper middle class black people who would likely go to a university anyway. AA as it exist now does not benefit poor black people and is a tool for universities to bend admission requirements to get more children of rich people into their school.

[Des-Bal]

It doesn't do that though. AA in its current form targets upper middle class and upper class black people.
Last time it was before the supreme court when they were discussing if it was still needed the argument defending it was economic only diversity would result in universities not recruiting upper middle class black people who would likely go to a university anyway. AA as it exist now does not benefit poor black people and is a tool for universities to bend admission requirements to get more children of rich people into their school.

My point was there was a way to fix it without changing what it was about not that it works as applied. I understand why that wouldn't come across.