YouTube Remonetizes Steven Crowder

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Crowder wasn't suspended for being right-wing. He was suspended for hate speech. Unless those left-wing channels start spouting hate speech they won't get kicked off their pulpits.

Hate speech is arguably the point and feature for the far right and not a flaw. Otherwise, they'd be a moderate. There exists a politics of fear and hatred that a sizeable amount of people are into or always have been throughout all of history. On that basis, hate speech isn't a problem from my perspective; if Youtube's limited liability from what other people choose to do is iron clad.

Youre very honest about your political beliefs.

[Nuroblav]

I know the two systems aren't the same, but I consider it fair game in that both can be considered polar opposites. The Eastern Front of WWII can be thought of as an ideological battle beyond just a military and political one between Hitler and Stalin. Communism just happened to emerge victorious in that instance.

I'd prefer to allow both types of content but if I were forced to not allow neo Nazism, I'd be inclined to ban Communism as well on that basis. It is historical fact that both political movements were at odds in Berlin and across Germany before Hitler rose to power.

If Steven Crowder isn't allowed, I'd have to censor any left wing equivalents like TYT. People must tolerate possibly being offended or be in a safe space where they're protected but can't access what they want. There is no possible way really, to have it both ways. There is one path or the other.

I mean, NS doesn't work that way in terms of flag policy:

The hammer and sickle: fine (Yes, I'm aware of the hundreds of millions of deaths. But when people look at the hammer and sickle, they think communism, not mass graves. If you can point me at a survey that shows otherwise, then we'll deem this one malicious, too. But until then, it's just a Soviet flag.)

[Necroghastia]

As if Biden's veep nomination didn't disgust me enough. It's even worse that Steven voiced the Brain in Arthur, thereby ruining my childhood.

What the fuck, that can't be right
*googles*
Okay but it's a different Steven Crowder right?
*clicks*
what the fresh flying fuck

[Nuroblav]

As if Biden's veep nomination didn't disgust me enough. It's even worse that Steven voiced the Brain in Arthur, thereby ruining my childhood.

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

[Outer Acharet]

Crowder wasn't suspended for being right-wing. He was suspended for hate speech. Unless those left-wing channels start spouting hate speech they won't get kicked off their pulpits.

Hate speech is arguably the point and feature for the far right and not a flaw. Otherwise, they'd be a moderate. There exists a politics of fear and hatred that a sizeable amount of people are into or always have been throughout all of history. On that basis, hate speech isn't a problem from my perspective; if Youtube's limited liability from what other people choose to do is iron clad.

Yeah, but there's a point where it crosses the line. I mean, I believe under US law (which Google and thus Youtube are beholden to) hate speech falls under intimidating speech and is thus not protected under the First Amendment. Even then, in Europe hate speech is definitely criminalized. So, if my party's ideology is something illegal, then the platform I am using has no obligation to keep me there, because they are a private institution and can deny service to anyone. If I go out and say "we should restrict immigration", it's a valid statement. If I say "Hey, Bill, wanna go get your pitchfork and murder the black guy down the street?", then that's a criminal incitement to violence. Politics of fear and hatred like you're talking about is, in my belief, essentially such an incitement to violence in ideological form. It's like if a really radical left channel advocated that pedophilia was a valid sexual orientation. They are thus advocating an illegal act by saying that fucking kids is okay. Should we support that because it's an ideological position? Of course not!

[Liriena]

Of course they did. YouTube cares more about ad revenue than it does about enforcing its own rules, because YouTube is a business and enforcing those rules would get in the way of profits. Crowder gets lots of clicks being an annoying tryhard, so they were never going to do anything permanently damaging to his brand.

[Cordel One]

I see what you're trying to say but you've missed out on just one simple fact:
Nazism ≠ communism
Communism is stateless and worker-run whereas Nazism is totalitarian and focused on genocide.

I know the two systems aren't the same, but I consider it fair game in that both can be considered polar opposites. The Eastern Front of WWII can be thought of as an ideological battle beyond just a military and political one between Hitler and Stalin. Communism just happened to emerge victorious in that instance.

I'd prefer to allow both types of content but if I were forced to not allow neo Nazism, I'd be inclined to ban Communism as well on that basis. It is historical fact that both political movements were at odds in Berlin and across Germany before Hitler rose to power.

If Steven Crowder isn't allowed, I'd have to censor any left wing equivalents like TYT. People must tolerate possibly being offended or be in a safe space where they're protected but can't access what they want. There is no possible way really, to have it both ways. There is one path or the other.

Stalin was an opportunist whose beliefs did not represent the communist ideology. I'd be fine with banning Stalinists too, but communists are cool and they should stay as their ideology does not advocate genocide.

[Outer Acharet]

Stalin was an opportunist whose beliefs did not represent the communist ideology. I'd be fine with banning Stalinists too, but communists are cool and they should stay as their ideology does not advocate genocide.

Ultimately, yeah. I may not agree with the idea of communism as a valid, functional society, but it's still rooted in a desire to do good and a compassionate perspective for the plight of others.

[Nuroblav]

Yeah, but there's a point where it crosses the line. I mean, I believe under US law (which Google and thus Youtube are beholden to) hate speech falls under intimidating speech and is thus not protected under the First Amendment. Even then, in Europe hate speech is definitely criminalized. So, if my party's ideology is something illegal, then the platform I am using has no obligation to keep me there, because they are a private institution and can deny service to anyone. If I go out and say "we should restrict immigration", it's a valid statement. If I say "Hey, Bill, wanna go get your pitchfork and murder the black guy down the street?", then that's a criminal incitement to violence. Politics of fear and hatred like you're talking about is, in my belief, essentially such an incitement to violence in ideological form. It's like if a really radical left channel advocated that pedophilia was a valid sexual orientation. They are thus advocating an illegal act by saying that fucking kids is okay. Should we support that because it's an ideological position? Of course not!

I think that sums it up fairly well. Sometimes people can be quick to censor opinions they don't like, but there is a point where the line needs to be drawn (which is, in my opinion, what you thought).

[Saiwania]

Yeah, but there's a point where it crosses the line. I mean, I believe under US law (which Google and thus Youtube are beholden to) hate speech falls under intimidating speech and is thus not protected under the First Amendment. Politics of fear and hatred like you're talking about is, in my belief, essentially such an incitement to violence in ideological form.

Yes, I agree that if whats written is too specific instead of broad and vague, that it probably goes too far and has to be addressed. My hunch however, is that if certain ideological positions are coded the right way in terms of language, that it can be permitted with minimal negative consequences. Steven Crowder never really rose to that level. Their opponent just wanted their channel down for a time.

[Outer Acharet]

Yeah, but there's a point where it crosses the line. I mean, I believe under US law (which Google and thus Youtube are beholden to) hate speech falls under intimidating speech and is thus not protected under the First Amendment. Politics of fear and hatred like you're talking about is, in my belief, essentially such an incitement to violence in ideological form.

Yes, I agree that if whats written is too specific instead of broad and vague, that it probably goes too far and has to be addressed. My hunch however, is that if certain ideological positions are coded the right way in terms of language, that it can be permitted with minimal negative consequences. Steven Crowder never really rose to that level. Their opponent just wanted their channel down for a time.

Inclined to agree with the first statement. I can phrase anything and make it look good (how's "freeing up space for our people in the land to the East" sound compared to "invading and genociding the Slavs"?).

However, it's explicitly stated that Crowder was demonetized for using slurs against Carlos Maza and creating what Youtube termed homophobic content. From the community guidelines, "We remove content promoting violence or hatred against individuals or groups based on... Gender Identity and Expression [and] Race", and in addition to that, Youtube "may remove content or issue other penalties when a creator... Repeatedly targets, insults and abuses a group based on the attributes noted above across multiple uploads [or] Creates content that harms the YouTube ecosystem by persistently inciting hostility against a group with attributes noted above for personal financial gain." It can be argued that Crowder, being both the original creator of the "there are only 2 genders, change my mind" meme, having possibly harassed Maza, and in addition "selling a shirt featuring an offensive slur", was treated lightly by only being demonetized instead of given the boot. In fact, Youtube had the right to outright remove the content and maybe even his channel, by their own Community Guidelines, which all posters have to follow. I wouldn't be surprised if Louder with Crowder is his only platform in a few months.

EDIT: The source.

[Kexholm and Karelia]

I don’t know what’s more entertaining, seeing Carlos Maza melt down or seeing NSG freak out

Anyways good on Youtube for not buying into woke cancel culture

[Necroghastia]

I don’t know what’s more entertaining, seeing Carlos Maza melt down or seeing NSG freak out

Anyways good on Youtube for not buying into woke cancel culture

Good on them for giving money to a homophobe who slings slurs at other users of the platform? What's good about that?

[Aureumterra]

I don’t know what’s more entertaining, seeing Carlos Maza melt down or seeing NSG freak out

Anyways good on Youtube for not buying into woke cancel culture

Eh tbf NSG freaks out over the most trivial things, and Carlos Maza is Carlos Maza.

I’m more interested in the fact that YouTube did this as soon as Maza left Vox, meaning he won’t have a corporate platform anymore to leverage with YouTube. The whole reason Crowder got demonetized in the first place was because Maza threatened to take away advertisers through his Vox contacts, not because of any TOS violations, as confirmed

[Outer Acharet]

oh man that's actually quite funny

[-Ra-]

I see what you're trying to say but you've missed out on just one simple fact:
Nazism ≠ communism
Communism is stateless and worker-run whereas Nazism is totalitarian and focused on genocide.

Both communism and national socialism are based on the murder of millions of people. Stateless workers state my ass.

Good on YouTube for restoring him. Tired of social media suppressing conservative voices to appease the mob.

[-Ra-]

Ditto. I've not heard of him either. Mind you, there are a lot of "big names" on YouTube nowadays that I really pay no mind.

Who?

I believe he's the guy from the "change my mind" meme, which was originally the "There are only two genders" shit.

He's done other stuff, obviously, but that's probably the one where Joe Average is likely to know him.

There are only two genders.

But obviously since he speaks facts, he must be banned.

[Necroghastia]

I see what you're trying to say but you've missed out on just one simple fact:
Nazism ≠ communism
Communism is stateless and worker-run whereas Nazism is totalitarian and focused on genocide.

Both communism and national socialism are based on the murder of millions of people. Stateless workers state my ass.

Objectively wrong, but not the thread for that.

Good on YouTube for restoring him. Tired of social media suppressing conservative voices to appease the mob.

So, why is punishing someone for saying slurs against and harassing another user of the platform wrong? How is it "appeasing the mob," and what does that in particular have to do with him being conservative?

[-Ra-]

Objectively wrong, but not the thread for that.

Try again.

if you support fascism, you should be banned. If you support communism, you should be banned. These are both disgusting ideologies of hate that are based on murder and societal destruction pure and simple.

Crowder is neither a fascist nor a communist. He has opinions people don't like. Boohoo,

[Dumb Ideologies]

It sounds as though he stopped contravening YouTube's content rules. Presumably if he starts doing it again he'll get put back in the naughty corner. Bitchy squabbles between creators and drama llama response videos have long been part of YouTube's culture. Personally that turns me off of any channel involved, but going after someone for being an effeminate gay isn't really worse for me than going off on someone for some other characteristic of appearance or behaviour. He sounds like a jerk, but I won't watch him like I don't watch the other jerks. Problem solved.

[Outer Acharet]

I believe he's the guy from the "change my mind" meme, which was originally the "There are only two genders" shit.

He's done other stuff, obviously, but that's probably the one where Joe Average is likely to know him.

There are only two genders.

But obviously since he speaks facts, he must be banned.

Even using the gender=sex definition, there's more than two genders, or else hermaphrodites aren't real.

EDIT: Genetic disorders relating to X and Y chromosomes also complicate things.

[Necroghastia]

Objectively wrong, but not the thread for that.

Try again.

if you support fascism, you should be banned. If you support communism, you should be banned. These are both disgusting ideologies of hate that are based on murder and societal destruction pure and simple.

Crowder is neither a fascist nor a communist. He has opinions people don't like. Boohoo,

Did you seriously just respond to the part where I called you out for your one-trick attempted threadjack and not where I asked something that was on topic?
LMFAO

[-Ra-]

Try again.

if you support fascism, you should be banned. If you support communism, you should be banned. These are both disgusting ideologies of hate that are based on murder and societal destruction pure and simple.

Crowder is neither a fascist nor a communist. He has opinions people don't like. Boohoo,

Did you seriously just respond to the part where I called you out for your one-trick attempted threadjack and not where I asked something that was on topic?
LMFAO

I actually did stay on topic, so you're wrong.

Ban communists. Ban fascists. Crowder is neither of these. I support the rights of social democrats to spew their nonsense on YouTube. I don't want to see them banned because free speech. However, society has the moral obligation to seek out and destroy communism and fascism wherever and whenever they arise. Since Crowder is neither a fascist nor a communist, this doesn't pertain to him.

[Necroghastia]

Did you seriously just respond to the part where I called you out for your one-trick attempted threadjack and not where I asked something that was on topic?
LMFAO

I actually did stay on topic, so you're wrong.

Ban communists. Ban fascists. Crowder is neither of these. I support the rights of social democrats to spew their nonsense on YouTube. I don't want to see them banned because free speech. However, society has the moral obligation to seek out and destroy communism and fascism wherever and whenever they arise. Since Crowder is neither a fascist nor a communist, this doesn't pertain to him.

Is that the only reason someone should have action taken against them? Crowder wasn't even banned, he was simply demonetized, so I don't know why you're bringing that in. Anyway...

Good on YouTube for restoring him. Tired of social media suppressing conservative voices to appease the mob.

So, why is punishing someone for saying slurs against and harassing another user of the platform wrong? How is it "appeasing the mob," and what does that in particular have to do with him being conservative?

[-Ra-]

I actually did stay on topic, so you're wrong.

Ban communists. Ban fascists. Crowder is neither of these. I support the rights of social democrats to spew their nonsense on YouTube. I don't want to see them banned because free speech. However, society has the moral obligation to seek out and destroy communism and fascism wherever and whenever they arise. Since Crowder is neither a fascist nor a communist, this doesn't pertain to him.

Is that the only reason someone should have action taken against them? Crowder wasn't even banned, he was simply demonetized, so I don't know why you're bringing that in. Anyway...

So, why is punishing someone for saying slurs against and harassing another user of the platform wrong? How is it "appeasing the mob," and what does that in particular have to do with him being conservative?

Why should Crowder be banned, though? Because he said "Socialism is for Fags"? That's mildly insulting, but someone would have to have the emotional capacity of a child to be so offended as to pursue Crowder's demonetisation. Though I am of course speaking of millenials so what does one expect? He joked about something you don't like. Get over it. Move along with your day.