The Final Solution

[Lizardiar]

Quote from Wiki.

The Final Solution (German: Die Endlösung) was Nazi Germany's plan and execution of its systematic genocide against European Jewry during World War II, resulting in the final, most deadly phase of the Holocaust (Shoah). Heinrich Himmler was the chief architect of the plan, and the German Nazi leader Adolf Hitler termed it: "the final solution of the Jewish question".[1]

Mass killings of about one million Jews occurred before the plans of the Final Solution were fully implemented in 1942, but it was only with the decision to eradicate the entire Jewish population that the extermination camps were built and industrialized mass slaughter of Jews began in earnest. This decision to systematically kill the Jews of Europe was made by the time of, or at the Wannsee conference, which took place in Berlin, in the Wannsee Villa on January 20, 1942. The conference was chaired by Reinhard Heydrich. He was acting under the authority given to him by Reichsmarshall Göring in a letter dated July 31, 1941. Göring instructed Heydrich to settle "...the solution of the Jewish problem..." During the conference, there was a discussion held by the group of German Nazi officials how best to handle the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question". A surviving copy of the minutes of this meeting was found by the Allies in 1947, too late to serve as evidence during the first Nuremberg Trials.

By the summer of 1942, Operation Reinhard began the systematic extermination of the Jews, although hundreds of thousands already had been killed by death squads and in mass pogroms. In Heinrich Himmler's speech at the Posen Conference of October 6, 1943, Himmler, for the first time, clearly elucidated to all assembled leaders of the Reich to what the "Final Solution" referred.

I can never understand how its posible to blame an entire race for your everyday problems.
What do you think about the 'Final Solution'?

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Kinda like asking, "What do you think of pure evil incarnate?"

Answer: I have a pretty damn negative view of it.

[No Names Left Damn It]

As someone in possession of my mental capacities, I am against it and see it as an abomination.

[Lizardiar]

Kinda like asking, "What do you think of pure evil incarnate?"

Answer: I have a pretty damn negative view of it.

Actually, I have seen people on NS who support the Final Solution and say it didn't kill enough ethnic groups.

[Hamilay]

Hmm, let's see, I think I'm going to go with 'it was bad' here.

Actually, I have seen people on NS who support the Final Solution and say it didn't kill enough ethnic groups.

Where I come from, we call them trolls.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Actually, I have seen people on NS who support the Final Solution and say it didn't kill enough ethnic groups.

I choose to ignore such twats.

[Lizardiar]

True, but you can't deny that they exist.

[Scarsaw]

Personally I think the final solution was a smart, yet despicable, political way to unite a torn country. By blaming the misfortune of Germany on a minority group that isn't well liked historically, it makes the people of that nation feel superior and bands them together to 'eliminate the problem'. I don't agree with it and find it horrifying, but that doesn't eliminate how clever it was in accomplishing the political objectives at the time.

[Intangelon]

True, but you can't deny that they exist.

So? What's your point?

[Desperate Measures]

True, but you can't deny that they exist.

I like to think that it is one person. One very stupid person with a LOT of time on his hands.

[Greed and Death]

Quote from Wiki.

The Final Solution (German: Die Endlösung) was Nazi Germany's plan and execution of its systematic genocide against European Jewry during World War II, resulting in the final, most deadly phase of the Holocaust (Shoah). Heinrich Himmler was the chief architect of the plan, and the German Nazi leader Adolf Hitler termed it: "the final solution of the Jewish question".[1]

Mass killings of about one million Jews occurred before the plans of the Final Solution were fully implemented in 1942, but it was only with the decision to eradicate the entire Jewish population that the extermination camps were built and industrialized mass slaughter of Jews began in earnest. This decision to systematically kill the Jews of Europe was made by the time of, or at the Wannsee conference, which took place in Berlin, in the Wannsee Villa on January 20, 1942. The conference was chaired by Reinhard Heydrich. He was acting under the authority given to him by Reichsmarshall Göring in a letter dated July 31, 1941. Göring instructed Heydrich to settle "...the solution of the Jewish problem..." During the conference, there was a discussion held by the group of German Nazi officials how best to handle the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question". A surviving copy of the minutes of this meeting was found by the Allies in 1947, too late to serve as evidence during the first Nuremberg Trials.

By the summer of 1942, Operation Reinhard began the systematic extermination of the Jews, although hundreds of thousands already had been killed by death squads and in mass pogroms. In Heinrich Himmler's speech at the Posen Conference of October 6, 1943, Himmler, for the first time, clearly elucidated to all assembled leaders of the Reich to what the "Final Solution" referred.

I can never understand how its posible to blame an entire race for your everyday problems.
What do you think about the 'Final Solution'?

Its called it externalizing and putting the blame on others.
We actually do it all the time, just Hitler gave it a target

Even today groups tend to blame our problems on others, though most of them don't call for mass executions.

[Maldorians]

It was the Jews "excuse" (for lack of a better word) to create Israel.

[Big Jim P]

Horrible, yes, but since the allies won the war, then the solution wasn't so final after all, and with the collective international guilt that eventually brought about the state of Israel, ultimately it was to the jews profit.

[Intangelon]

It was the Jews "excuse" (for lack of a better word) to create Israel.

As if DM had the ability to summon. Wow.

[Colonic Immigration]

Well, it's just not cricket.

[Fartsniffage]

Well, it's just not cricket.

Actually, if you look into the origins of cricket you'll find that genocide was the point all along.

[Scarsaw]

It was the Jews "excuse" (for lack of a better word) to create Israel.

I'm sorry, that caused me to laugh a bit as the creation of Israel was not strictly because the world felt sorry for what happened. It was largely because of the high amount of illegal Jewish immigration that occurred in the area because of people fleeing the tragedies in Europe. At the end of the Second World War, conflict between the illegal immigrants and the British (who occupied Palestine) was a the real main driving factor for the creation of Israel.

[Greed and Death]

Well, it's just not cricket.

Actually, if you look into the origins of cricket you'll find that genocide was the point all along.

Fill the ball with cyanide and hit them into the Jewish ghettos.

[Fartsniffage]

Well, it's just not cricket.

Actually, if you look into the origins of cricket you'll find that genocide was the point all along.

Fill the ball with cyanide and hit them into the Jewish ghettos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krikkit_Wars#Krikkit

[Pax Ordo]

I find a certain irony in the final solution. Irony due to the fact that it was based on the treatment of Native Americans by the union army. Another point of history is that America cast the deciding vote for Israel to become a country. Still more ironic is that Hitler himself actually enjoyed watching Mickey Mouse cartoons. As for the final solution being horrible, its no more horrible than the actions of the Jews in antiquity. One would be wise to heed the saying " what goes around, comes around." I simply view it as a balancing of the scales. Much as i view the Christian persecution of pagans, where the pagan emperors and peoples of antiquity persecuted the Christians. sure when it happens its horrible, but its just a balancing of the scales. The misgivings of a culture will always come back to haunt it. Much as the misgivings of America are coming back to haunt her now with the wars in the middle east. The irony in that is that during the 1980's we supplied the countries in the middle east with weapons capable of bringing down soviet helicopters, and now they use the same weapons against us. Beyond that we now have a code of conduct where battle in these countries is concerned. the insurgency fight using hit and run tactics. much the same as the colonial armies used to win independence from England. Its all a lot of irony. Terribly true, and awesomely horrible, but nothing more than the outcome for actions taken.

[Constans]

I can never understand how its posible to blame an entire race for your everyday problems.
What do you think about the 'Final Solution'?

One thing you must understand about Adolf Hitler was that he was pretty much tormented by Jews, in his own eyes from his writings in Mein Kampf. At the time period in Austria, especially Vienna, many Jews did own large business and schools.

Adolf was rejected from art school; he worked from job to job, as he would be fried from each one only days after starting. Due to Jews owning many of these schools and business, he found it needed to blame them for his problems.

Not to mention the already raising anti-Semitism stance of most of Germany at this time, in which he followed very closely. His psychological state was already at this point retreating from reality. So when he started to have a hatred of Marxism and Communism, he linked the Jews to this and it only infused his rage to kill them all.

What I think about The Final Solution? I believe it was unnecessary to the very least; the putting of Jews into Ghettos was horrid enough without sending them to work camps, death camps, and so on. I think any sane person can see that you can't wipe out an entire race in a few years; you can kill many of them, but not all. In the end, it’s not even worth it to think about it, just stick by what your parents taught you as a child. “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say it at all.”

However, Hitler was not sane and as such he thought by killing all the Jews, he could fix the problems of the world and allow his Reich to live for thousands of years. Which it did not. He was an excellent leader, as in the sense that he turned post-war Germany from a third world country to a superpower in a few years. However, he was misguided in his youth and decided on a path that was just wrong, horrid, and would bring about his fall.

[Maldorians]

It was the Jews "excuse" (for lack of a better word) to create Israel.

I'm sorry, that caused me to laugh a bit as the creation of Israel was not strictly because the world felt sorry for what happened. It was largely because of the high amount of illegal Jewish immigration that occurred in the area because of people fleeing the tragedies in Europe. At the end of the Second World War, conflict between the illegal immigrants and the British (who occupied Palestine) was a the real main driving factor for the creation of Israel.

That's besides the point. The Arabs were waiting patiently for the British government to grant British Palestine independence (emphasis on Palestine). However, after World War II, most European nations were in favor of granting a homeland for the Jews and they decided to screw over the Arabs. Why should the Europeans have to accommodate for the Jews when they can do it at the expense of the Arabs?

[Ashmoria]

Quote from Wiki.

The Final Solution (German: Die Endlösung) was Nazi Germany's plan and execution of its systematic genocide against European Jewry during World War II, resulting in the final, most deadly phase of the Holocaust (Shoah). Heinrich Himmler was the chief architect of the plan, and the German Nazi leader Adolf Hitler termed it: "the final solution of the Jewish question".[1]

Mass killings of about one million Jews occurred before the plans of the Final Solution were fully implemented in 1942, but it was only with the decision to eradicate the entire Jewish population that the extermination camps were built and industrialized mass slaughter of Jews began in earnest. This decision to systematically kill the Jews of Europe was made by the time of, or at the Wannsee conference, which took place in Berlin, in the Wannsee Villa on January 20, 1942. The conference was chaired by Reinhard Heydrich. He was acting under the authority given to him by Reichsmarshall Göring in a letter dated July 31, 1941. Göring instructed Heydrich to settle "...the solution of the Jewish problem..." During the conference, there was a discussion held by the group of German Nazi officials how best to handle the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question". A surviving copy of the minutes of this meeting was found by the Allies in 1947, too late to serve as evidence during the first Nuremberg Trials.

By the summer of 1942, Operation Reinhard began the systematic extermination of the Jews, although hundreds of thousands already had been killed by death squads and in mass pogroms. In Heinrich Himmler's speech at the Posen Conference of October 6, 1943, Himmler, for the first time, clearly elucidated to all assembled leaders of the Reich to what the "Final Solution" referred.

I can never understand how its posible to blame an entire race for your everyday problems.
What do you think about the 'Final Solution'?

just reading your quote gives me the chills with how utterly creepy-evil it was.

[Abdju]

Quote from Wiki.

The Final Solution (German: Die Endlösung) was Nazi Germany's plan and execution of its systematic genocide against European Jewry during World War II, resulting in the final, most deadly phase of the Holocaust (Shoah). Heinrich Himmler was the chief architect of the plan, and the German Nazi leader Adolf Hitler termed it: "the final solution of the Jewish question".[1]

Mass killings of about one million Jews occurred before the plans of the Final Solution were fully implemented in 1942, but it was only with the decision to eradicate the entire Jewish population that the extermination camps were built and industrialized mass slaughter of Jews began in earnest. This decision to systematically kill the Jews of Europe was made by the time of, or at the Wannsee conference, which took place in Berlin, in the Wannsee Villa on January 20, 1942. The conference was chaired by Reinhard Heydrich. He was acting under the authority given to him by Reichsmarshall Göring in a letter dated July 31, 1941. Göring instructed Heydrich to settle "...the solution of the Jewish problem..." During the conference, there was a discussion held by the group of German Nazi officials how best to handle the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question". A surviving copy of the minutes of this meeting was found by the Allies in 1947, too late to serve as evidence during the first Nuremberg Trials.

By the summer of 1942, Operation Reinhard began the systematic extermination of the Jews, although hundreds of thousands already had been killed by death squads and in mass pogroms. In Heinrich Himmler's speech at the Posen Conference of October 6, 1943, Himmler, for the first time, clearly elucidated to all assembled leaders of the Reich to what the "Final Solution" referred.

I can never understand how its posible to blame an entire race for your everyday problems.
What do you think about the 'Final Solution'?

I say it was extremely f****d up. I also think it was only in part ideological. Nazi Germany as almost certainly aware on some level that ultimately it had overplayed it's hand. The extermination camps were ultimately an ideologically sound solution ("Final Solution") to the more practical problem of supplying the military infrastructure of Nazi Germany... Slave labour on a massive scale (the camps and slave labour factories). I believe the "Final Solution" was practicality and pragmatism first, dressed up in ideological BS to make it conform to Nazi ideals. Bear in mind that the camps in reality were used to imprison, exploit and ultimately kill far more groups than Jews. Gypsies, leftists and LGBT people and others were all fed into the system.

[Grave_n_idle]

The Final Solution was the extension of standard politics, that happens all the time.

In this generation, in America, the undesirables are immigrants - who are called criminal for simply existing, and who are the butt of racial 'humour' and vitriol, and who are blamed for almost every ill that befalls the nation.

Mexicans are America's 'jew'.